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BuckNasty

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Jun 24, 2004
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OK, here's the quick breakdown. . .I have a horrible ass pontiac that keeps breaking, it's a 96 grand am which looks mint, but has terrible (1,200 ABS brake situation) problems. So it's come time where my dad's allowing me to buy a new car.

I live in New Jersey, i'm 17, and don't want a slow ass car. Everybody even knows I want a fast car, so there's no problems with my dad not wanting me to have it, anything like that. . .fast cars are cool with them. I have, tops, 10,000 dollars to buy a new car. I almost financed a 2002 WRX, but it would've cost 4000 a year for insurance, so f-that. . .so I need a car I can pay for without financing (damn NJ insurance bastards).

So, the problem now is. . .my father hates every car I bring to his attention. He liked the WRX, but he'll be damned if he's helping me out with paying for it, so I started looking at eclipses. The major problems start here.

If I don't worry about things like crankwalk in my search for a 2g car (a 6-bolt swap would rule, no doubts there), there's certain "guidelines" my dad want's me to look for. . .here goes.

1. Under 100,000 miles : I got my pontiac from my aunt with 63 thousand miles on it. . .already, at just 65, it's been in a shop for a collected two weeks, and cost me over fifteen hundred dollars. He assumes that since I have a shitbox pontiac, that all cars fall apart by 90,000 miles, and 100,000 is out of the question. . .no regard for the fact that foreign cars can have long-lasting motors.

2. Dealer bought : He wants me to trade in my car so I don't have to go about selling it. . .so this means, I get underpaid for the trade in, and overcharged on the car. . .awesome

3. Varied choices : What the HELL is this all about. . .he won't let me focus in on an eclipse, he wants me to make a list of about 5-10 cars that I would want, and then give that to him to search around. . .honestly, I'm picky about my car, I'm pretty narrow minded and can't think of much more than 3 or 4. . .and not many at ALL that are under 10 thousand dollars.

So please, anybody give my advice. . .How should I deal with these problems, what could I do to get a nice, used, fast car under 10 grand. And what the hell are 4 other cars that would be worth buying for that little price, and how does he want me to find all this under 100,000 miles.

Any help is appreciated. . .I'm in a hell of a spot.

peace
 
oh true i just saw that, i figured if you were looking at 02 wrx's you might be able to go for an evo as well..

it sucks that you guys dont have GSR's there, everyone here who cant afford an evo gets a GSR LOL, i did, pretty sweet ride, and they cost like 1/4 of what an evo does
 
isnt the gsr an evo as well? is ur galant vr4 the 4g63 one or the twin turbo v6? either way nice cars.
 
So you want car under 10 grand that is kinda reliable and fast?

Defintely take a look at an LS1.
You'll be fast and can leave it stock. Maybe throw on an exhaust, filter, and even a 100 shot or something.

You won't have to worry about the things both big and small breaking on a GSX that your dad would friek out about saying "i told you so". Having to replace a clutch or having crankwalk would probaly piss him off. If you're not planning on modding your eclipse heavily then I think an ls1 powered car would be a great choice. If you dont wanna mess with the car and work on it much i would choose an LS1 for easy speed.

An eclipse usually won't be anymore reliable then most pontiacs if you're thinking the whole "imports are reliable" thing
 
cuttheduck said:
So you want car under 10 grand that is kinda reliable and fast?

Defintely take a look at an LS1.
You'll be fast and can leave it stock. Maybe throw on an exhaust, filter, and even a 100 shot or something.

You won't have to worry about the things both big and small breaking on a GSX that your dad would friek out about saying "i told you so". Having to replace a clutch or having crankwalk would probaly piss him off. If you're not planning on modding your eclipse heavily then I think an ls1 powered car would be a great choice. If you dont wanna mess with the car and work on it much i would choose an LS1 for easy speed.

An eclipse usually won't be anymore reliable then most pontiacs if you're thinking the whole "imports are reliable" thing

well, i wasn't really planning on leaving my car stock. . .if i could find one, that'd be good, so i know everything i get is my own, but every gsx i've driven in llooks worth it
 
olmytsi said:
isnt the gsr an evo as well? is ur galant vr4 the 4g63 one or the twin turbo v6? either way nice cars.

well there are evo rs, and evo gsr's.. but here there are also lancer gsr's, which share the same body shape as the evo 1,2 and 3, but come with a 1.8L turbo motor (4g93) instead of a 2.0L turbo (4g63). they are still awd and everything but don't come with the recaros or climate control..

and i dont own a galant, i just put that because gsr isnt in the options LOL, my gsr has a vr4 motor in it which is the 4g63, lots of people do that here, because evo 1,2,3's are so hard to find, its easier to get a gsr and drop in a vr4 motor
 
Here's a question. . . I just got the new auto-trader in, and there's two cars here that look good. . .

1: 1995 - GSX 86,000 miles, new trans,axles,clutch,lighter flywheel,alt,loaded wiith lthr, new 18in tires, greddy front mount & much more. . .$9500

2: 1997 - GSX 100,000 miles, very clean, new inspect, tires, brakes, all power, lthr, $10,500 obo

I know that if I can convince my dad to let me buy one of these, I'm gonna have to work with the prices a little. . .does anybody have any tips on how to haggle a personal price? or should i just tell him that the most i could possibibly pay is like 8 grand, even after i sell my car?

Any help is appreciated, because i'm pretty sure that 97 isn't worth 10,500. . thanks
 
Nirvana said:
well there are evo rs, and evo gsr's.. but here there are also lancer gsr's, which share the same body shape as the evo 1,2 and 3, but come with a 1.8L turbo motor (4g93) instead of a 2.0L turbo (4g63). they are still awd and everything but don't come with the recaros or climate control..

and i dont own a galant, i just put that because gsr isnt in the options LOL, my gsr has a vr4 motor in it which is the 4g63, lots of people do that here, because evo 1,2,3's are so hard to find, its easier to get a gsr and drop in a vr4 motor

Ive also read over on the evolution forums that the current VIII is more along the lines of the GSR in other countries. Theres the RS, GSR, and MR i believe.
 
BuckNasty said:
Here's a question. . . I just got the new auto-trader in, and there's two cars here that look good. . .

1: 1995 - GSX 86,000 miles, new trans,axles,clutch,lighter flywheel,alt,loaded wiith lthr, new 18in tires, greddy front mount & much more. . .$9500

2: 1997 - GSX 100,000 miles, very clean, new inspect, tires, brakes, all power, lthr, $10,500 obo

I know that if I can convince my dad to let me buy one of these, I'm gonna have to work with the prices a little. . .does anybody have any tips on how to haggle a personal price? or should i just tell him that the most i could possibibly pay is like 8 grand, even after i sell my car?

Any help is appreciated, because i'm pretty sure that 97 isn't worth 10,500. . thanks

Not to scare you or anything, but ive found that 97's are most suspectable to CW. Also, You're gonna have a hell of a time trying to haggle down on 2g GSX's. Even if they bluebook for a certain amount, they are DESIRABLE cars. Think about it. Clean 1g's go for 4500-5000 all day. A clean 2g AWD with under 100,000 miles is easily worth 8-9.

But try your best. Start with the trade-in or wholesale value of the car, and work from there. Coming from a sellers stand-point, I only overmarked my cars 500-700 when I was selling. In some cases, even less. Good luck getting either one to knock off 1500 and 2500.
 
A clean 2g AWD with under 100,000 miles is easily worth 8-9.

I don't know about that. Maybe 98-99. I know I would never pay that much for a 95/6. Even if it was a GSX and stock.


Under 100,000 miles can mean 95k...to pay that much for a 96 GSX with 95k miles is a lot.
 
BuckNasty said:
Here's a question. . . I just got the new auto-trader in, and there's two cars here that look good. . .

1: 1995 - GSX 86,000 miles, new trans,axles,clutch,lighter flywheel,alt,loaded wiith lthr, new 18in tires, greddy front mount & much more. . .$9500

2: 1997 - GSX 100,000 miles, very clean, new inspect, tires, brakes, all power, lthr, $10,500 obo

I know that if I can convince my dad to let me buy one of these, I'm gonna have to work with the prices a little. . .does anybody have any tips on how to haggle a personal price? or should i just tell him that the most i could possibibly pay is like 8 grand, even after i sell my car?

Any help is appreciated, because i'm pretty sure that 97 isn't worth 10,500. . thanks

Them prices are horrible OMG
Did AWD dsms GAIN value since I last looked for one a year ago? Personally I feel a 95-96 AWD DSM under 100K miles for more then $6,200 is crazy. Maybe its the area? Your car though so if you have the money go for it.

I have no good haggling advice except do the old,, "listen, I got *insert car amount here* grand in my glovebox ill hand you right now for the car" I witnessed a friend turn a 8,200 dollar truck into 5 flat w/ that. He probaly got lucky or something.

Maybe try an auto source not computer related. Goodluck :thumb:
 
The KBB retail on the 95 stock in perfect condition is $7,165.

On the 97 it says $8455.

And these quotes are saying that the interior and exterior are MINT, and this quote is saying you are going through a dealer, so it is a higher quote.

So don't pay any more than this, they are probably worth less than these quotes because it is unlikely that they have no flaws.

AND I even did the quote for the NJ area.
 
blue book value on a car like a 2g gsx is absolutely meaningless, as it is with any special interest vehicle.. look up the value on an 87 grand national in perfect condition for a nice laugh.. same thing with a gsx. i can see a 95 or 96 with 80k miles going for 5 or 6k, but the hot looking 2gbs are going to set you back more than book value for a good one and thats pretty much the end of the story. i found my 98 gsx with 31k miles in absolutely perfect condition for 11k, and i think i got the player deal of the century on the thing. check ebay regularly, thats where i got my car and i couldnt have asked for a more perfect example of a late model gsx at a fair price.. it took months of watching, but it happened. i could post my car up on the trader and sell it quick for more than i paid for it most likely. 2gb gsx's are rare as hell, especially in stock form, so you are going to pay for them. just keep looking and you will find a good example eventually. keep bugging your dad about dsms and he will come to realize your heart is set and he isnt going to be able to convince you otherwise :)
 
khartley said:
The KBB retail on the 95 stock in perfect condition is $7,165.

On the 97 it says $8455.

And these quotes are saying that the interior and exterior are MINT, and this quote is saying you are going through a dealer, so it is a higher quote.

So don't pay any more than this, they are probably worth less than these quotes because it is unlikely that they have no flaws.

AND I even did the quote for the NJ area.

Heh, thanks again man. . .anyway, tomorrow my dad's calling (yes, he's calling, because he doesn't trust me to haggle well) the two guys to see what they can do. He can definatly use those prices, but also, i think he's going to refer to the black GSX of the guy who may or may not take it here to get inspected (keep my options open, don't depend on him), but just tell the potential sellers that he was selling a 95 gsx for 6200. . .maybe that'll open him up some. keep hopin' for me, i sure will be
 
95-96 awd DSMS can be costly.

My brother sold his mint 95 TSi awd with 40,000 miles for $10,000 about 5 months ago. And about 8 months ago, he sold his 95 GST for $8000. Had 60,000 miles.

Im just saying..if you can get the deal for book or so, go for it. turbo DSMS are hot hot hot.
 
Update of good news. . .as soon as the guy gets the title (expected this week), my dad's going down with me, we're getting that contract thing signed or whatever, then bring it home.

BUT. . .since it's my father, and he's ####-meat, then he says I need to sell my car before i am allowed to drive the gsx. . .and i have no idea why, but at least i'm on the right track with buying it

now, i just need to know. . .does anybody want to buy a 96 grand am mint with 65000 for 4,500?
 
leakyfaucet said:
I'm selling a red 5-speed '87 porsche 944 you might be interested in. It does have 98k miles but just about everything has been replaced on it. You really won't find a better handling car for anywhere near this amount of money.

Here's a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2490778154

dude,wtf are those black plastic strips on ur front and rear bumpers on the 944?? looks wierd! did u put those on? :confused:
 
i agree for a sport compact car the 944 kicks butt.. i have a 84 944 and a 89 928, some of the later ones you could get turbo. i met up with one on the track last april and he did pretty good running 1.2 bar of boost. i think its like around 20 psi.. roughly
 
Raph said:
dude,wtf are those black plastic strips on ur front and rear bumpers on the 944?? looks wierd! did u put those on? :confused:
Those are 100% factory, the car would look weird without them, trust me.
 
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