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BuckNasty

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Jun 24, 2004
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OK, here's the quick breakdown. . .I have a horrible ass pontiac that keeps breaking, it's a 96 grand am which looks mint, but has terrible (1,200 ABS brake situation) problems. So it's come time where my dad's allowing me to buy a new car.

I live in New Jersey, i'm 17, and don't want a slow ass car. Everybody even knows I want a fast car, so there's no problems with my dad not wanting me to have it, anything like that. . .fast cars are cool with them. I have, tops, 10,000 dollars to buy a new car. I almost financed a 2002 WRX, but it would've cost 4000 a year for insurance, so f-that. . .so I need a car I can pay for without financing (damn NJ insurance bastards).

So, the problem now is. . .my father hates every car I bring to his attention. He liked the WRX, but he'll be damned if he's helping me out with paying for it, so I started looking at eclipses. The major problems start here.

If I don't worry about things like crankwalk in my search for a 2g car (a 6-bolt swap would rule, no doubts there), there's certain "guidelines" my dad want's me to look for. . .here goes.

1. Under 100,000 miles : I got my pontiac from my aunt with 63 thousand miles on it. . .already, at just 65, it's been in a shop for a collected two weeks, and cost me over fifteen hundred dollars. He assumes that since I have a shitbox pontiac, that all cars fall apart by 90,000 miles, and 100,000 is out of the question. . .no regard for the fact that foreign cars can have long-lasting motors.

2. Dealer bought : He wants me to trade in my car so I don't have to go about selling it. . .so this means, I get underpaid for the trade in, and overcharged on the car. . .awesome

3. Varied choices : What the HELL is this all about. . .he won't let me focus in on an eclipse, he wants me to make a list of about 5-10 cars that I would want, and then give that to him to search around. . .honestly, I'm picky about my car, I'm pretty narrow minded and can't think of much more than 3 or 4. . .and not many at ALL that are under 10 thousand dollars.

So please, anybody give my advice. . .How should I deal with these problems, what could I do to get a nice, used, fast car under 10 grand. And what the hell are 4 other cars that would be worth buying for that little price, and how does he want me to find all this under 100,000 miles.

Any help is appreciated. . .I'm in a hell of a spot.

peace
 
Obviously a 2g Eclipse/Talon ..No need to worry about crankwalk yet.

For other choices, how about a 94-00 Integra GSR, Sentra SE-R, or Camaro Z28? Obviously we would want you to stick with a DSM though.
 
You could try www.autotrader.com and see if you can find a 97-99 GSX with under 100k miles at a dealership within 200 miles of you. Then, you and your dad could make a trip to go check it out, maybe buy it; just make sure you do your research on the car first (carfax, etc.). Plus, the trip may make a good chance for you to talk to him and bring him a little more down to your level with cars. Just remember to kiss ass ;)
 
TheTSiGuy said:
Good idea. 20K and if you throw 10 down, you should be in alright shape.

The problem with putting cash down for an SRT 4 is that technically, this is my first year driving. Insurance in NJ licks balls. . .and if I finance it, then I need to get collision. . .collision for the WRX would've cost me an extra 2200 dollars yearly. . .a touch too much for me. . .I'm just sorta thinking of ways to convince my dad that I can TRUST a car with 100,000 miles

The thing with the crankwalk is the horror stories. . . I know that it's not common to the point where they'd never sell, but it's just something sticking in the back of my head. . .but I'm just checking with all of you to see if 10 g's is enough for what I should be looking for. . .thanks again for all your help
 
I know 10K can get you a decent 2g GST/TSi, but I wonder if it can get you nice TSi awd/GSX.

Look hard.
 
A Prelude would be a good choice, too. Nice, reliable, user-friendly cars. Here's a few pics of mine in this thread: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84430&highlight=lude

It's got 108,000 miles on it now. It's the car I drive absolutely all the time, and I've had it since it had 16,000 miles on it. It's been lowered and had the exhaust on the day or two after I bought it, and I've had no problems with it at all.

Just something new for you to consider ;)
 
awd4g63 said:
A Prelude would be a good choice, too. Nice, reliable, user-friendly cars. Here's a few pics of mine in this thread: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84430&highlight=lude

It's got 108,000 miles on it now. It's the car I drive absolutely all the time, and I've had it since it had 16,000 miles on it. It's been lowered and had the exhaust on the day or two after I bought it, and I've had no problems with it at all.

Just something new for you to consider ;)

2 quick things. . .first offf awd, is your prelude nice and fast though? I'm fairly certain I want a turbo car, almost a rule, and I have heard a bunch about them, but is it fast enough with some work to it? (just checking my bases)

#2, i'm quite honestly suprised at the amount of help on this board. . .i never really expected this much. . . i posted the same thing on a WRX forum, nothin' at all.
 
My brother has a 99 Prelude (Non SH)

and ive driven it plenty. I cant say its THAT quick, but then again im used to what i drive. People pull low 15's in stock Ludes.

As far as modding them, you can either supercharge a lude, turbo, or keep it n/a ..they respond fairly well to mods.
 
Its DSM LOVE :D
I got my 98 talon tsi awd for $10000 flat, 68k, black with tan leather and every other option available and it was bone stock traded in a ford dealership by a guy who wanted a new car....the car is mint. So u can find a nice 2g awd. Crankwalk...dont worry about til it happens. It happens to about 30% of the cars so u can be in that 70%, im hoping i am. Good luck in ur search and dont be afraid to drive far for the right one...i drove 6 hours to new hampshire.
 
Mike1992 said:
Thats alot for a 95

understood, but for 74 thousand miles, that's pretty nice. . .i'm sure i'll talk him down some too, and i have a trade-in. . .but it certainly is a thinker. . .MR2's are attractive too
 
Man,,the dealer thing is what kills you. Its not like your gonna get a warranty on a DSM so whats the point.

If 70,000-80,000 miles is okay you can find 2g AWD dsms for 4,500-6 grand. Though a dealership will kill that idea. Talons will usually be cheaper by a grand or two even though part for part they are the exact same car, its just different badging and bumpers.

At auctions sometimes 2gs AWD's will even go down to 2,500-3,500 but usually have been in a fender bender it seems, at least around here.

Get a DSM or camaro for under 8 grand and save the few grand for college or something.


Holy crap i saw that link. Thats an azzload!!!!! When i was shopping for the 2g last year I picked up a 95 w/ 77 on the clock for around 4,700-4,800?. Its not AWD but half the dsms I was looking at were and still were around the same price regardless. Man some of the eclipse guys pay alot for the name OMG ;) .
 
cuttheduck said:
Man,,the dealer thing is what kills you. Its not like your gonna get a warranty on a DSM so whats the point.

If 70,000-80,000 miles is okay you can find 2g AWD dsms for 4,500-6 grand. Though a dealership will kill that idea. Talons will usually be cheaper by a grand or two even though part for part they are the exact same car, its just different badging and bumpers.

At auctions sometimes 2gs AWD's will even go down to 2,500-3,500 but usually have been in a fender bender it seems, at least around here.

Get a DSM or camaro for under 8 grand and save the few grand for college or something.


Holy crap i saw that link. Thats an azzload!!!!! When i was shopping for the 2g last year I picked up a 95 w/ 77 on the clock for around 4,700-4,800?. Its not AWD but half the dsms I was looking at were and still were around the same price regardless. Man some of the eclipse guys pay alot for the name OMG ;) .

The dealer thing definatly does suck, but it's because he wants me to just trade in my pontiac, he doesn't want me to deal with selling, putting it up, etc. . .he just wants me to get rid of it for as much as possible. . .i wonder how much i COULD talk those guys down for that 2g
 
if you have 10k i would give the late model LS1 powered F-Body's a good look.
here is a camaro i found about 130miles from your zip
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=167139658&dealer_id=52521623&car_year=1998&make=CHEV&distance=200&max_price=10000&model=CAM&advcd_on=n&end_year=2005&min_price=&first_record=26&address=08638&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1998&=&color=&cardist=137

i will be in the market for a DSM soon, but the only reason i want a DSM is because i cant afford a camaro/transam and at the price im looking at the dsm is alot of bang for the buck.

the 2g looks nice, but i think the 1g looks good too and i would rather spend the change on go fast parts than pay twice as much for a slightly better look.
 
ask your dad if he can put YOUR car in his name and on his insurance, and then you pay him for being on his insurance
thats how my car is done... i pay 1200/year, but i dont officially/legally own my car. you'll save a ton of cash as far as insurance goes.
 
I bought my 95 talon tsi for 2200 w/103,000 miles... Pay 5 tops... put 5 into it. Have fun. Research, research, research.
 
DSMhelex said:
ask your dad if he can put YOUR car in his name and on his insurance, and then you pay him for being on his insurance
thats how my car is done... i pay 1200/year, but i dont officially/legally own my car. you'll save a ton of cash as far as insurance goes.


great idea and i wish my parents had done that for me, but they were afraid i would hurt their insurance costs if i ran into someone.
 
b17tuner said:
I bought my 95 talon tsi for 2200 w/103,000 miles... Pay 5 tops... put 5 into it. Have fun. Research, research, research.

I know what you're saying. . .I'm definatly not wanting to overspend, I mean, my car's a grand am, so I can't work on it, but when I can get a 2g, I can finally put some time into it. . .my problem now, as we all stated, is that my dad is deathly afraid of 100,000 miles. . .now it's just up to me to convince him!
 
One more thing, i can't believe how bad the prices are around here. . .i'm on my auto-trader (mag) now, and every GSX, costs over 9k. . .this one here is a 97 GSX with 100,000 for 10,500. . .is this possibibly a "living in new jersey" thing?
 
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