NT's/ turbo: 1/4mile times and Dyno #'s

[DSMcrazy3]

dude no offense, but look at the title of the thread, it's supposed to be only 1/4 my times, and power #'s.

Feel free to PM me with any questions you may have

 

[97eclipsesleepr]

Turbo: T3/T4 hybrid
Kit: Hahn
Boost: 10 PSI
Bottom End: stock
Top End: stock
1/4"mile time: 14.32 at 94mph
dyno #'s-230, 208ftlbs tq

 

[XMasta19]

Turbo: T3/T4 hybrid
Kit: Hahn
Boost: 10 PSI
Bottom End: stock
Top End: stock
1/4"mile time: 14.32 at 94mph
dyno #'s-230, 208ftlbs tq

hmm...what was your 60'

 

[97eclipsesleepr]

1.800

 

[rs-t eclipse]

Car: 95 eclipse gs
Turbo: 14b
Fuel: 255 Walbro with fmu.
Exhaust: 2.5 catback (Reactive)
Clutch: Spec Stage 2
Fmic: Duh look at pic.
Bov: Apexi
Wastegate: Tail 38mm (vented dumbs under tranny)
Kit: custom
Boost: (Psi) 7
Bottom End: (stock)
Top End: (stock)
1/4"mile time: [email protected] with 18's with normal tire psi, no burn out, no weight reduction had spare tire even college text books.( I ran it this way to see what i would run if i lined up in a street race.)
dyno #'s not yet

whats up with this 15 sec times? with star kits?

 

[XMasta19]

1.800

WTF

you had a 1.8 60' huh...you must go to the track quite a bit

.....but how exactly did you launch so well, yet only get a 14.3 running 10 pounds

 

[BigRand]

whats up with this 15 sec times? with star kits?

I think it has something to do with the size of the turbo, Our turbo's (from the star kit) are meant to run in the 15psi range, and running it so low doesn't yeild as much power. Not really sure how to test this except for testing effeciancy of the turbo at 5-8psi.

SBR's new kit with their turbo looks really promising at low boost. Where were they about 9 months ago when I needed them.

Oh well star has provided some good stuff just in the wrong kind of kit.

I just want to add Slow boy racing should sell their 420a intercooler kit with the piping,

 

[97eclipsesleepr]

you had a 1.8 60' huh...you must go to the track quite a bit

.....but how exactly did you launch so well, yet only get a 14.3 running 10 pounds

every fridya that they have ahd test and tune snce i was 16 so yeh.... and at the time i ha d shity tires no burnout, full weight with system and spare tire so go figure.

 

[rs-t eclipse]

I think it has something to do with the size of the turbo, Our turbo's (from the star kit) are meant to run in the 15psi range, and running it so low doesn't yeild as much power. Not really sure how to test this except for testing effeciancy of the turbo at 5-8psi.

SBR's new kit with their turbo looks really promising at low boost. Where were they about 9 months ago when I needed them.

Oh well star has provided some good stuff just in the wrong kind of kit.

I just want to add Slow boy racing should sell their 420a intercooler kit with the piping,

looks like the star kits are better if you have the internals to go with them. because the t3 is a pretty big turbo compared to a t25 and 14b

 

[selmerguy]

looks like the star kits are better if you have the internals to go with them. because the t3 is a pretty big turbo compared to a t25 and 14b

dosen't the start kit come with t3/t4oe? that thing is hugh for just a t3

 

[cs82685]

whats up with this 15 sec times? with star kits?

mine was b/c of a 2.533 60' (sad thing is it was my best one) and letting off before the end of the track b/c my a/f ratio was leaning out and egts where getting to high

 

[DSMcrazy3]

mine was b/c of a 2.533 60' (sad thing is it was my best one) and letting off before the end of the track b/c my a/f ratio was leaning out and egts where getting to high

Better safe than sorry

 

[BigRand]

dosen't the start kit come with t3/t4oe? that thing is hugh for just a t3

T3/T04B or option for the Ball Bearing T3/T04E

But yeah, the turbo's that come with the star kit are definately meant for high boost built motor applications.

And the star intercooler (IMO) can be made to run effeciently at high boost if tuned right, and based on the effeciancy of the turbo.

 

[Slippi84]

This is exactly why I'm going with a nitrous setup and not a turbo setup with my build. I want good speed nothing crazy and don't want to dump shit loads into this car. DSM-ZERO's old setup is the least modded car so far and it's in the top 3 in fastest with I/H/E and 75 shot. WHile guys with badass turbo kits run in the high 14's 15's. I know NO 2gnt guy likes hearing it but hell a star stage 2 kit is what 2k I bought my 90 tsi with full exhaust and manual boost controller running for $1500.

 

[cs82685]

This is exactly why I'm going with a nitrous setup and not a turbo setup with my build. I want good speed nothing crazy and don't want to dump shit loads into this car. DSM-ZERO's old setup is the least modded car so far and it's in the top 3 in fastest with I/H/E and 75 shot. WHile guys with badass turbo kits run in the high 14's 15's. I know NO 2gnt guy likes hearing it but hell a star stage 2 kit is what 2k I bought my 90 tsi with full exhaust and manual boost controller running for $1500.

You bumped this thread for that?

Seriously most guys run mid 14's with decent driving on a turbo kit, stock bottom end. The power is ALWAYS there, you don't have to refill or open up a bottle. As for built and boosted 420a's there are plenty in the 13's 12's etc. and plenty others with the power to be there. Just because they're not on some list doesn't mean they're not out there. BTW for a LONG time, the fastest fwd dsm was hahn's RS-T.

 

[bullettdsm]

You bumped this thread for that?

Heh heh, I thought the exact same thing . Gettin' bored Slippi?

MB

 

[Slippi84]

Heh heh, I thought the exact same thing . Gettin' bored Slippi?

MB

i seriously didn't look at the dates my bad

I know a turbo will be faster most of the time but how many 420a guys have built boosted high hp cars that acually run in the 12's because to me a car that run 14's and 15's are the same just regular quick street cars nothing crazy and a mid 13 sec car is just pretty good and then when you get to 12's or better that's when it my book it justifies spending big bucs. So a $2500 in mods 14 sec car seems like a wast e of money to me no offense to anyone.

 

[cs82685]

i seriously didn't look at the dates my bad

I know a turbo will be faster most of the time but how many 420a guys have built boosted high hp cars that acually run in the 12's because to me a car that run 14's and 15's are the same just regular quick street cars nothing crazy and a mid 13 sec car is just pretty good and then when you get to 12's or better that's when it my book it justifies spending big bucs. So a $2500 in mods 14 sec car seems like a wast e of money to me no offense to anyone.

I guess my argument against your point is that it seems to make enough power for a 13 second car which IMO is decently quick, you will in all likelihood need to build your motor or be ready to build one when yours does blow. If that's the case, I'd rather spend a bit more on a turbo setup over the nitrous setup if I'm going to have a built motor, not to mention at that point, you've got the strength to up the power for 12's, 11's then you're just limited by fuel system and tuning capabilities. Why not enjoy the additional power all the time if the motor can handle it

I will agree though that if you just want to have a quick car that you can run 14's in and don't care how it is for everyday driving, nitrous is definetly the cheaper route. I do love the power of the turbo though, I removed my wg spring when I went through inspection and couldn't believe how much of a turd the car was with no boost. The car's slow when it's boosted, but it's SLOWWWWW when it's not

 

[Slippi84]

I guess my argument against your point is that it seems to make enough power for a 13 second car which IMO is decently quick, you will in all likelihood need to build your motor or be ready to build one when yours does blow. If that's the case, I'd rather spend a bit more on a turbo setup over the nitrous setup if I'm going to have a built motor, not to mention at that point, you've got the strength to up the power for 12's, 11's then you're just limited by fuel system and tuning capabilities. Why not enjoy the additional power all the time if the motor can handle it

I will agree though that if you just want to have a quick car that you can run 14's in and don't care how it is for everyday driving, nitrous is definetly the cheaper route. I do love the power of the turbo though, I removed my wg spring when I went through inspection and couldn't believe how much of a turd the car was with no boost. The car's slow when it's boosted, but it's SLOWWWWW when it's not

Yeah but that's the thing a lot of you have the potential to go fast but tuning and driving would have to be pefect where as as long as you can get out the whole half descent the nitrous kis more consistant as there is no boost leaks no lag and no having to worry about the tune being diffrent because it injects the right amount of fuel for you(wet kit only). I agree with you in the poetntial aspect but a 75 shot with I/H/E WILL run low 14's or better. A Turbo car CAN run 13's. Thats' my .02

 

[cs82685]

Yeah but that's the thing a lot of you have the potential to go fast but tuning and driving would have to be pefect

I actually think it is the driving that plays a HUGE roll in not seeing the times feasible with the power most make. There just doesn't seem to be enough 420a guys dedicated to the track who go through the trouble of learning to drive, using slicks and a decent suspension setup. I also really don't think enough people have tried to push this motor to the limits the proper way. I think it has more potential boosted on the stock bottom end than most see using MSnS to get a good tune.

 

[Locke]

Mark has dyno'd 170ish hp to the wheel, most basic 8psi turbo 420a's tend to make somewhere in the vicinity of 200hp to the wheels. Mark's quarter mile times are better than most of the turbo 420a guys. Attribute this to driving skill and vehicle/chassis setup.

The 14second turbo 420a's you see just aren't completely serious about going fast.

 

[cs82685]

Mark has dyno'd 170ish hp to the wheel, most basic 8psi turbo 420a's tend to make somewhere in the vicinity of 200hp to the wheels. Mark's quarter mile times are better than most of the turbo 420a guys. Attribute this to driving skill and vehicle/chassis setup.

The 14second turbo 420a's you see just aren't completely serious about going fast.

well said. Most who just take their car to the track once or twice aren't going to spend the money on drag radials or slicks like Mark has and don't have the practice under their belt. I think that's all it comes down too.

 

[Slippi84]

Mark has dyno'd 170ish hp to the wheel, most basic 8psi turbo 420a's tend to make somewhere in the vicinity of 200hp to the wheels. Mark's quarter mile times are better than most of the turbo 420a guys. Attribute this to driving skill and vehicle/chassis setup.

The 14second turbo 420a's you see just aren't completely serious about going fast.

Marc isn't the norm more the exception though. Not to mention all his parts make that power in a lot more useable manner then a turbo engine would due to no lag and again like you said he knows how to drive.

 

[BigRand]

don't let my quarter time fool ya, Its been a long time since I've spent a full day at the track to. At 10-12psi my car was easily a mid 13 sec car (I'm not bench racing here, I have trap speeds and bad 60ft's to prove it), if I could drive, and actually reduced the weight in my car (subs, spare tire, tools ect)

 

[Slippi84]

don't let my quarter time fool ya, Its been a long time since I've spent a full day at the track to. At 10-12psi my car was easily a mid 13 sec car (I'm not bench racing here, I have trap speeds and bad 60ft's to prove it), if I could drive, and actually reduced the weight in my car (subs, spare tire, tools ect)

Randy I don't doubt you have the ability to make your car a 13 sec car but listen to all the stuff you would have to do. You too are more of the exception then the rule. Listen I loved my turbo more than any other car but I went all out other than a built motor which dind't matter cause the stock 6 bolt can take 450whp in stock form so it did it's job. The thing is I was easy 10k deep with that car. This car if I even end up keeping it that long will not be as crazy as that by far and with a mid 13 sec car with under 2k spent I see that as being worth it. Trust me fellas if money felel from the sky it woul dbe turbo all the way