no start/no compression/

[Glliw]

So, I just installed new topline revised lifters, 264/272 cams, timing belt and all its components. It cranks but will not start. I ran a compression test and I noticed cyl #4 was soaked in fuel mixed with soot and the others were at least lightly coated. The compression was something along the lines of next to nothing. My friends dad who was a mechanic for 30 yrs said it might be due to the lifter height, and is keeping the valves slightly cracked thus allowing major blowby. . They look to be like 1/2-1mm taller than the stock ones. The timing all lines up right.

What do you think?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Did you bleed the lifters properly. If you didn't they won't compress and will leave the valve's hanging open.

 

[Glliw]

The lifters are brand spanking new. I think I realized what might be the problem though, just don't have the time this moment because I need to study for tomorrow's finals. But when all timing marks line up, it seems the dowel pin on the intake cam points down whereas the exhaust is up?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

That would be cause for a problem. Don't try to run the motor until you get that fixed because you are going to have interferance.

 

[BISHILVR]

If you have been cranking it over like that you have a decent chance of bent valves right now.

 

[Glliw]

Well, I fixed the previous problem, still no start though. It tried to crank over but wouldn't. Then after about 3-4 seconds of cranking the battery sparked and would not crank anymore. I'm tired and have finals to study for...I can't wait til friday when all this school crap is done!

 

[Old Mitsu Tech]

I would give the people you bought the cams and lifters from a call to get their input.

 

[Glliw]

Yea, I was thinking of doing so, but I wanted to eliminate as much as a I could prior to doing so. Could the CAS being off cause a no start? With, starting one weekend and having to finishe the next, I might have forgot which way it goes in there.

 

[shaunman1979]

Yes having the cas 180* off would cause it not to start. Try that and see if it helps. There is a little notch in the housing and in one of the points that go in the cam. At TDC these should line up.

 

[ChvyKc]

Well, I fixed the previous problem, still no start though. It tried to crank over but wouldn't. Then after about 3-4 seconds of cranking the battery sparked and would not crank anymore. I'm tired and have finals to study for...I can't wait til friday when all this school crap is done!

Have you tried another compression test since you fixed the cam alignment? You might have bent some valves when you were turning the motor over with one of the cams in there wrong.

 

[Glliw]

Nope, haven't checked it yet, like I said these finals are kicking my ass timewise. I will definitely do so the first chance I get though.

 

[oldman]

Most likely bent valves due to incorrect timing belt install.

 

[Glliw]

The valves seat fine in their retainers though, and it cranks over by hand easily. I think the starter fried itself since now it just clicks and doesnt crank.

 

[robs90tsi]

The valves seat fine in their retainers though, and it cranks over by hand easily. I think the starter fried itself since now it just clicks and doesnt crank.

That could be a poor connection to your battery, make sure the terminals are tight and not corroded. Also, stop trying to get it to run until you do a compression test again, if you continuously cranked the motor over and you messed up the timing belt install, then theres a very good chance you bent some valves.

 

[oldman]

Rob, CAS 180* out will not cause no start, it just makes your car run shitty.

 

[robs90tsi]

Rob, CAS 180* out will not cause no start, it just makes your car run shitty.

Right, I was just telling him to check anyway, I should have made that clear, thanks.

 

[Glliw]

The terminals are tight. Gotta wait til tomorrow to test the starter. If valves bent, or are going to with the way it is, then if i try to start it, it can't get any worse. You have to crank it anyway to check compression. I'm sure some valves bent, but let's try to get a working starter first. I eliminated the battery already trying to jump it and double checking the connections.

 

[ChvyKc]

Nope, haven't checked it yet, like I said these finals are kicking my ass timewise. I will definitely do so the first chance I get though.

I definately feel you there. I just finished my last final last night. I've been trying to get the head off my car for the past month but haven't had the time due to finals and my professors stacking projects on top of me. Let us know how the compression test comes out.

 

[HAZARDINTEGRA]

The compression test should tell you what you need to now. If you took care of the cam problem and there is still no compression you are most like have to pull the head and check for bent valves.

 

[Glliw]

Ok, about to get the compression tester out. Just thought I'd leave a little update first. I got it to start. It did tick, but seemed to go down some after a minute, yet was still there. I assume the lifters are still getting to where they want to be with the oil. I removed the valve cover to see if anything was amiss, and found white smoke to be coming out of the upper left oil galley and the center of the intake cam.

EDIT: compression test results: 150 150 170 170. still ticking, increases with rpms.

 

[BISHILVR]

Ok, about to get the compression tester out. Just thought I'd leave a little update first. I got it to start. It did tick, but seemed to go down some after a minute, yet was still there. I assume the lifters are still getting to where they want to be with the oil. I removed the valve cover to see if anything was amiss, and found white smoke to be coming out of the upper left oil galley and the center of the intake cam.

EDIT: compression test results: 150 150 170 170. still ticking, increases with rpms.

Dont worry about the smoke. Compression numbers look good

 

[Glliw]

I suppose the clanking is the lifters trying to fill themselves back up? It just seems so loud to me... Would some lucas oil stabilizer help?

 

[BISHILVR]

Eh, Lucas is kinda shady. The lifters will make some sounds for awile before they settle down, or maybe you have a bad one.

 

[BISHILVR]

You might want to think abot 20W-50 oil also.

 

[Glliw]

20W-50? Isn't that a little thick for the season?