Newb Needs Serious Help

[Foreverfalcon40]

I just parted out my heavily modified 99 Mercury Cougar due to the fact it would cost me 15,000 for it to achieve 342 Hp to the FW.

I just bought an 95 Gs-T, a recovered theft. So far from what is looks like...I need a full turbo kit (turbo, intercooler, piping, header/manifold, gaskets), I will need an Injectors and injector harness, Ignition wires, Spark plugs, Air kit, igniton (and key), as well as an antenna.

I am on a budget....so be kind....Here are a few things I am looking at...please chime in....All these items ARE A MUST...buying them used from a member here on the baords would be a plus

Turbo)
1)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ECLIP...QQcmdZViewItem

2) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4G63-...QQcmdZViewItem

3) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsu...QQcmdZViewItem

Intake) Any recomendations, On the cougar platform...it did not matter what kind of intake you had b/c It all did the same job, just at a different price and a different name.
Also, I will need a box that will cover the intake(prevent heat soak) as well as There is a huge circle underneath where the intake would be...If I come across a puddle goodbye turbo and engine. Where Do I find one or Do I have to make my own? Do I need it?

3) Injectors...With any of these turbo application will I need to upgrade ther injectors? If so what size? Will the fit OEM injector harness?

4) fuel pump works but will need to be upgraded...How soon do I need it

5) What kind of Spark plug wires should I buy?

6) Antenna?

7) Ignition.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-99...QQcmdZViewItem

More to come as I further diagnoss this thing...I will post pics of car!

All help would be appreciated. If you have any of these parts and are for sale PM me.

ALL HELP AND .02 is appreciated! Please no criticism...I am a noob, I am doing this in between full time job and college summer classes. I will be junk yard hunting as well!

 

[dave99gst]

hmm - the links dont work for me.

 

[wret]

Start by reading the tech guide and some of the FAQ's. After you digest them, form some specific questions, research them, and then post a thread for a question you cannot find and answer for.

 

[Snobordin8]

What are your goals? 300hp?, 450hp?, etc.? We need more info before we can tell you what to buy. Good choice on modding a DSM over a Cougar .

Also, fix your links if you want feedback.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

My goal is 500-600...BUT I am on a budget, my parents are extremely upset that I bought this car is the condition it is. They asked me how long will they think it will take me get this thing running, I said a month.

Well here are the links agian on the turbos...

1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ECLI...7QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If link does not work the item number is: 250007121657

2) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4G63...2QQihZ011QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If link does not work Item number is: 320008502972

3) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mits...9QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If link does not work the item number is: 250009042629

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

My overall goal is to achieve b/w 500-600 fwdhp. When I have more money, I will conver to AWD and then start upping the HP. BUT I NEED TO GET THIS THING ON THE ROAD. I do have a budget and it seems like 400-500 hp is in my budget. I want to prepare the car for this meaning, IF I WANTED TO USE ALL THE 400-500 HP I CAN. But until I have a solid money foundation (for internals, if parts break down), The car will remain at 6 psi. I am not looking into throwing money into this thing and racing immediately. If someting breaks, I am FU<KED.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

I just read the spark plug FAQ, and got noting out of it. Everyone is defending what they have. How about NGK 7.5mm? If not then what kind? Also what kind of spark plugs, on my N/A cougar I hand platnium plugs. But on ebay i came across these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NGK-...ryZ33693QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

if cant be seen item number: 120010714015

 

[chanley talon]

Just so you know 300 wheel horsepower and good driving skills should get you low 12s !

 

[FlumpDSM]

Try not to take offense to this, but saying that you want 400-500 whp on a budget is probobly the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. It's not gonna happen.

Here's my advice with all you have so far:

Turbo: Do not buy a turbo kit off of ebay. Thats just asking for it. A relatively cheap turbo that is capable of making that power is a PTE turbo, or something of the like. A hybrid from AGP, slowboy, PTE, they are all similar.

Intake: Buy a decent filter, make a box for it yourself, and get an intake pipe that fits for the inlet of your tubo.

Fuel: You WILL need much bigger injectors for that much power, and you will need a pump. You will also need some sort of fuel control such as a S-AFC or DSMLink.

Plug wires are plug wires. Buy some aftermarket ones and call it a day.

Antenna...If you are asking about the radio antenna, then...yea...buy another one?

Ignition: You can stick with the stock ignition system for up to 500whp easily. Buy one step colder plugs than stock and you are fine.

I don't know if you think you are going to make 500whp with reliability, but it's not going to happen. Even with 300whp, things WILL break. Random bushings, suspension pieces, little bits in the engine bay...etc, WILL go bad.

Research for a while before you ask any more questions, but good luck.

 

[daren_p]

You are new to this so for a turbo setup stay away from Ebay, while you can get the "real" thing there, you need to know what your looking for. The links you posted are all knock off products & I would stay away from them. You get what you pay for, so if you want to give them a try you can but it may end up costing more in the long run if the parts crap out after a month and you have to start all over again. What is you budget? 500 whp is pushing the safe limit of stock internals. Without out talkin about engine internals you can easily spend $10g's to reach this horse power & have it done properly. The main thing you want to do is reasearch, there is a tonn of info out there for these cars, some good sites to check out are:

www.roadraceengineering.com
www.slowboyracing.com
www.machv.com
www.dsmparts.com
www.diamondstarmotorsport.com
www.victoryperformance.com
www.vfaq.com

There are a tonn more, just look at the sponsor section on here.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Well, in all honesty, the only thing I want is the turbo kit. I want the turbo kit to be able to produce b/w 400-600fwhp with supporting mods. But due to my budget, I'd figure go for the turbo kit I need (re-buying turbo kits does get quite exspensive, so buy the one you need it will save you alot of money). What I really need is this trubo kit. Once it get bolts up we will see if the engine and tranny are good (as why the guy promised when he sold it to me w/o a warranty). I need to get ths car running asap to get my parents off my balls. I parted out my highly modified cougar exterior, interior, and performance wise for a half ass eclipse (as of now). Now I got two cars taking up space in the driveway and garage. Eclipse in the garage and the Cougar (bad tranny in the driveway) parts all over the house (backyard, my room, garage, attic, 2nd living room). So the only thing I really want to produce that much hp is the turbo. Once I get enough money and solid foundation (financially) I want to start piecing together a built block. I have 0 mechinical skills, I am more of a bodyman (interior and exterior) as well as a stero guy. My friend (who owns King Bear in Dee Park will be helping me along the way. So its kinda like cramming and crunching under pressure. As of right now I need the parts I listed above to get this car hopefully running. I've heard two things about injecotrs. Stock ones can handle 300hp and 500hp which is true?

Research is very hard for me to do...I work full time and go to school as well. Whatever time I have is going into the Eclipse, pullign things out and what not to make sure what I need and What is saveable. I just ordered a Cd over Ebay and praying most of eveyrthing is there.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Try not to take offense to this, but saying that you want 400-500 whp on a budget is probobly the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. It's not gonna happen.

Here's my advice with all you have so far:

Turbo: Do not buy a turbo kit off of ebay. Thats just asking for it. A relatively cheap turbo that is capable of making that power is a PTE turbo, or something of the like. A hybrid from AGP, slowboy, PTE, they are all similar.

Intake: Buy a decent filter, make a box for it yourself, and get an intake pipe that fits for the inlet of your tubo.

Fuel: You WILL need much bigger injectors for that much power, and you will need a pump. You will also need some sort of fuel control such as a S-AFC or DSMLink.

Plug wires are plug wires. Buy some aftermarket ones and call it a day.

Antenna...If you are asking about the radio antenna, then...yea...buy another one?

Ignition: You can stick with the stock ignition system for up to 500whp easily. Buy one step colder plugs than stock and you are fine.

I don't know if you think you are going to make 500whp with reliability, but it's not going to happen. Even with 300whp, things WILL break. Random bushings, suspension pieces, little bits in the engine bay...etc, WILL go bad.

Research for a while before you ask any more questions, but good luck.

I agree with the turbo part. Never buy a turbo off of ebay. Or a manifold or anything like that unless you KNOW it's name brand. As far as relaibility goes, My car has been extremely reliable. I had it tuned at AMS in 2001 at 477fwhp. I still talk to the kid on MSN that bought my car and other than routine oil changes and a timing belt change that car has yet to fail once. That's 5 years of 500hp on that car. It just depends how you do it. It didn't come cheap though

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Just got back from the junkyard hunt. I got absolutly nothing. Only an antenna which will I have to wait a week on. They don't want to sell me it. They want to sell me the whole car.

 

[daren_p]

You have to do some reasearch and follow the upgrade paths recommended, there is a good one on this site plus many other dsm sites like the ones Ive listed above have them as well. You just can't bolt on a turbo that supports 500 hp, its not that easy there are many other supporting mods you need as well. Stock injectors will support ~300 hp. If you buy a huge turbo to support your 500 hp goals you aren't going to be happy with the way it performs at low boost without the proper supporting mods, it will lag like crazy & you won't be in its effiency range. So how much is your budget? It might be better for you to pick up a smaller turbo (maybe used) & get the car running, then start adding on all the supporting mods you need, then once that is done install a larger turbo. Here are some of the minimal items you will need to get you the 400+ hp range

Intake
Intercooler pipes
Front mount intercooler
Blow off valve
Boost controller
Turbo
Fuel pump
Fuel injectors
Something to tune & log with (SAFC/pocket logger, DSMLink etc)
Turbo
Boost gauge
Clutch
Cams

That is just a short list of the top of my head, there are also a tonn of other things that you should have to make it work well.

 

[andytalon]

Just to bring you into the Dsm world. Although alot of hondas and other people have "Turbo Kits" for their cars we don't really have any of those because our cars come with a turbo. So you are stuck with learning everything there is about turbo chargers, fuel system, tuning, and alot more. Like said above 400-500 hp you will never get there on a tight budget. And listen to these Wisemen on this site they know Alot! more than your average mechanic, when it comes to our cars. You can get 300-350hp, maybe on a tight budget. If I were you try to learn alot about dsms before bying parts you really dont need. Save you money. Also this website has great tech articles and there are alot of others out there you can learn from.
www.vfaq.com <--- great site

Good luck with everything and if you ever need anything pm me anytime.

Ps. First thing to always do is to do the proper mantiance to the car!!! Always first.

 

[SinaiTSi]

The car will remain at 6 psi.

Stock boost on a 2g is around 11 psi.

Another thing, from what I've got from this thread so far is that it seems you want a 500+ horsepower car but in the mean time you're not sure if you have quite enough money, so you just want to throw on a huge turbo and call it a day so the car can just get up and running. Well the only problem with that is that is basically going backwards when modding a DSM. A larger turbo should definitely be one of your last upgrades. You say that you don't have time to research and everything, but that is the beauty, the tech guide is right there for you, you just have to read it. After you get an understanding of that you should start asking some more specific questions. I also didn't ever get why you are trying to get a new turbo so soon. Is the stock T25 shot? You mentioned some stuff you needed but was it basically just like stuff that you know you'll need to upgrade or maybe a bunch of stuff that was stolen? If you can give us a rundown of what you have, don't have, etc. that would help. If I were you I'd just get the car up and running reliably, stock turbo, etc. so your parents will be satisfied and then you can start modding the RIGHT way.

 

[VicBoost]

To be honest tight budget and 500-600fwdhp is impossible. First of all the stock internals can only handle a reliable 400hp. After that you have to change the stock internals such as pistons, rods etc. You will probably need a built engine probably a stroker one which will cost you $3000-4000.
Rebuilt Engine: $3000-4000
Turbo: $1000+
Fmic: $1000+
Piping/intake: $300
Suspension: $1000+
Brakes: $1000+
Dsmlink: $500

The list goes on and on. Once you go past 400hp thats when it starts costing because you have to change all the stock internals and such. If you are on a budget just get the 16g from FB and just get the suporting mods and you should get a good 300-350hp which is an easy 12.... or even high 11's. Thats what i'm planning to do. But ya i would listen to most of these wiseman they know what they are doing.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...90008038224&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

This is the same exact car I bought. Total price was 2,050. The fifty was for the tow from his shop to my friends house. About a 35 mile trip. I would have towed it my self, but the car is DOA so I would have to push this thing up a trailer. For an xtra 50 he towed it on his flat bed. The vin report on it includes a miss odometer reading at on e point and time in the cars life. One day it was recorded 100 mi less then it was from it next service.

All the things I have listed above I need...I iwll list them again
1) Full turbo kit (turbo, pipes, fmic, couplers, gaskets, BOV...basically everything)
2) Spark Plugs
3) Spark Plug Wires
4)Injecotrs (just bought a NGK copper ones)
5)Injecotr harness
6) Air intake (Also need a box for it..to prevent water being sucked up. Where the filter sit is a huge circular hole underneath..will post pics)
7) Igniton with key
8) Pass side molding on the door, above sideskirt.
9) Screws to fasten front bumper

8 and 9 are notimportant...will not help me get the car running


I will ned various sensors and all...those aren't import either. Once I have these parts, the car should (pray to god) start right up. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!

Jason

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Holy crap they managed to make a Turbo into a NT DSM

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

Never buy anything close to as important as a turbo is. If you do buy it it will be a waste of money, because you most likely have to buy a new turbo very soon.


also the stock boost on a 2g is 14.1 lbs

 

[supermariobros]

I agree with everyone else on this site that says research research research. If you do not have time to, a dsm is not the car for you. For now I would get the car up and running with a 16G ($550) 1g BOV ($20 used) 660CC Injectors ($300-$400) Evo III Manifold ($260) Intake ($60) SAFC (If you dont have a laptop, $200) or DSM Link (If you have a laptop, $500) 255lph Walbro Fuel Pump ($100) FPR ($150) FMIC Kit ($600-900) and read alot about tuning or have a shop do it for you. Once you get some experience you can safely and correctly modify to the next level (built engine, bigger turbo, etc). If you dont know what your doing you can easily blow your engine.

 

[GloriousDSM]

KNow your goals and just keep reading, its a lifelong journey!

 

[jibberishballr]

KNow your goals and just keep reading, its a lifelong journey!

What he said ^^^^^

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Ok, Just closing in on a deal for 550cc injecotrs and the injecotr harness. Now, the person said that I need an adapter to hook up the injecotr harness to old wiring? T or F

On my cougar, I fabeed my injecotr hanress to handle bigger injectors for more HP. $800 for a new harness but two Focus SVT hanress for a toal of 150 wired together did the job.

Can I just wire the old wire hanress to the new one?

I NEED AND IGNTION WITH KEY FOR A STANDARD!
WENT JUNKYARD HUNTING all day yesterday and found SH*T
Ebay has one for a atx I need mtx!

 

[SinaiTSi]

Ok, Just closing in on a deal for 550cc injecotrs

There is no problem with 550 injectors but you won't get the power you're looking for from them.