Newb Needs Serious Help

[Foreverfalcon40]

I just parted out my heavily modified 99 Mercury Cougar due to the fact it would cost me 15,000 for it to achieve 342 Hp to the FW.

I just bought an 95 Gs-T, a recovered theft. So far from what is looks like...I need a full turbo kit (turbo, intercooler, piping, header/manifold, gaskets), I will need an Injectors and injector harness, Ignition wires, Spark plugs, Air kit, igniton (and key), as well as an antenna.

I am on a budget....so be kind....Here are a few things I am looking at...please chime in....All these items ARE A MUST...buying them used from a member here on the baords would be a plus

Turbo)
1)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ECLIP...QQcmdZViewItem

2) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4G63-...QQcmdZViewItem

3) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsu...QQcmdZViewItem

Intake) Any recomendations, On the cougar platform...it did not matter what kind of intake you had b/c It all did the same job, just at a different price and a different name.
Also, I will need a box that will cover the intake(prevent heat soak) as well as There is a huge circle underneath where the intake would be...If I come across a puddle goodbye turbo and engine. Where Do I find one or Do I have to make my own? Do I need it?

3) Injectors...With any of these turbo application will I need to upgrade ther injectors? If so what size? Will the fit OEM injector harness?

4) fuel pump works but will need to be upgraded...How soon do I need it

5) What kind of Spark plug wires should I buy?

6) Antenna?

7) Ignition.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-99...QQcmdZViewItem

More to come as I further diagnoss this thing...I will post pics of car!

All help would be appreciated. If you have any of these parts and are for sale PM me.

ALL HELP AND .02 is appreciated! Please no criticism...I am a noob, I am doing this in between full time job and college summer classes. I will be junk yard hunting as well!

 

[elfroggo]

Holy crap they managed to make a Turbo into a NT DSM

Wow, I wasn't sure what he was talking about until I saw the stock snorkel tube attached to the throttle body.

This car might turn out to be a real headache, the people who had it before really don't seem to know what they were doing.

What are the two funnel things in the engine bay?

I don't think you should run a huge turbo and injectors just yet.. Why don't you try to see if the engine is in good condition first.
Find a set of cheap stock injectors and a 16g at most.

Do you really want to be trying to tune a car when you can't even get it running right yet?

Unless you are real good or familiar with working on these cars, walk before you run.

 

[daren_p]

Ok, Just closing in on a deal for 550cc injecotrs and the injecotr harness. Now, the person said that I need an adapter to hook up the injecotr harness to old wiring? T or F

On my cougar, I fabeed my injecotr hanress to handle bigger injectors for more HP. $800 for a new harness but two Focus SVT hanress for a toal of 150 wired together did the job.

Can I just wire the old wire hanress to the new one?

I NEED AND IGNTION WITH KEY FOR A STANDARD!
WENT JUNKYARD HUNTING all day yesterday and found SH*T
Ebay has one for a atx I need mtx!

What kind of injectors are these 550's that your talking about? They shouldn't need an adapter for the wiring harness unless they are a style that wasn't designed to be run on our cars, in which case you should pass on them. Anyways 550's are no wears close to being large enough for the power that you want to make. Depending on your tuning method, you should be looking for 750+.

Was just wondering since you have these plans to make big power, have you done any checks such as compression to see what kind of condition the motor is in first? Buying a bunch of mods is pointless if you have nothing to bolt them on to if you don't have the cash for a motor rebuild if its needed.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Never buy anything close to as important as a turbo is. If you do buy it it will be a waste of money, because you most likely have to buy a new turbo very soon.


also the stock boost on a 2g is 14.1 lbs

Yeah...wait...no. Stock boost on a 2g is 11-12lbs. It varies from car to car. 12 is the MAX you will see stock.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

What kind of injectors are these 550's that your talking about? They shouldn't need an adapter for the wiring harness unless they are a style that wasn't designed to be run on our cars, in which case you should pass on them. Anyways 550's are no wears close to being large enough for the power that you want to make. Depending on your tuning method, you should be looking for 750+.

Was just wondering since you have these plans to make big power, have you done any checks such as compression to see what kind of condition the motor is in first? Buying a bunch of mods is pointless if you have nothing to bolt them on to if you don't have the cash for a motor rebuild if its needed.

I mean adapter as in the Injuecotr Harness, The ***holes who stole the car, clipped the injecotr harness in so many ways its unusable. I need a new injecotr harness. The person who is selling it to me says I need and adapter? T or F? Where can I find one?

550's are stock Says they can handle from 300-350

I CAN'T DOO ANY CHECKS ON THE ENGINE UNTIL A FULL TURBO KIT, INJECOTRS AND HARNESS ARE INSTALLED.

Once that is complete I can start this baby up and see if I was really jerked or not.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Wow, I wasn't sure what he was talking about until I saw the stock snorkel tube attached to the throttle body.

This car might turn out to be a real headache, the people who had it before really don't seem to know what they were doing.

What are the two funnel things in the engine bay?

I don't think you should run a huge turbo and injectors just yet.. Why don't you try to see if the engine is in good condition first.
Find a set of cheap stock injectors and a 16g at most.

Do you really want to be trying to tune a car when you can't even get it running right yet?

Unless you are real good or familiar with working on these cars, walk before you run.

This car is DOA until all the stuff I have listed in the previous thread is installed. This car is a theft recovery..hense its conditon. Once i hook up a turbo I wll find out if engine and tranny are good.

Teo funnale thingsd are horns...don't know why they were in there, i threw them out. Tuning isnt a problem, I got tons of tuning places by me and I have peronal connections with two of them

 

[daren_p]

I mean adapter as in the Injuecotr Harness, The ***holes who stole the car, clipped the injecotr harness in so many ways its unusable. I need a new injecotr harness. The person who is selling it to me says I need and adapter? T or F? Where can I find one?

550's are stock Says they can handle from 300-350

I CAN'T DOO ANY CHECKS ON THE ENGINE UNTIL A FULL TURBO KIT, INJECOTRS AND HARNESS ARE INSTALLED.

Once that is complete I can start this baby up and see if I was really jerked or not.

550's aren't stock, 450's are. If your just getting these to get the car running then fine, but like I said they will not support your 400 + hp goal. What kind of injectors are they, if the factory harness is hacked you will need to pic up a new harness or some dsm shops such as www.diamondstarmotorsports.com sell the harness clip that you can wire into the stock hacked harness. You shouldn't need "adapters", just the factory style clips.

As for tests you don't need the car to be in a fully running state to do a compression test.

 

[1gcrazy]

(Guys its 1 oclock and i just wrote all this. If there are discrepencies. Sorry...i'm tired. I tried my best for the dude.)

Haha Dude dont get upset but you cracked me up with this thread. Funny funny stuff. First of all Dsm's arent just somthing you can throw together. These are fickle and very finicky machines. You lose ONE wire to a coolant sensor and the whole car is FUBAR until you figure it out. Listen up.

You need to get your priorities straight. You work full time and goto school and you have no ride. Look on the classifieds and get all these parts from one of the many people thats parting out a 2nd gen. Fortunatly for YOU dsmtrader just opened back up under a different name. It was down for a few years if i recall correctly. Anyways, you can get the car back to STOCK pretty easily if you don't concentrate on making it fast. Its fast stock you'll see. You dont need a 7 million horsepower car to start with. Thats how people kill themselves. You don't see a reality show where they put a 16 year old in a rail dragster....it takes skill to drive a fast car. Here in colorado springs a 16 y/o dude died back in 02 or somthing when daddy bought him a brand new Subby STi cus he ran it into a tele pole coming down a hill way too fast. My point is that you need to just get the car running. Period.

Next, You NEED to LOVE researching. I should be in bed right now for tomorrow but I LOVE research so i'm on here helping you cus it helps me learn. Also, the VFAQ.com is where you need to be...not on here. I promise it'll answer EVERY question you have about how your car SHOULD be. Once you get your car stock I PROMISE you'll appreciate every upgrade you make.

You dont' need mechanic skill, you need confidence in yourself to figure out how the car goes back together. Learn as you go and if you can't figure it out. There are manuals out there that will teach you how step by step. Those manuals are worth their weight in gold. You dont need a bigger turbo you need an instruction guide!

First a T25 is what your car CAME with. They are pretty small and are very responsive turbo's so most people will sell them for cheap. The 1st gen stock turbo is a 14b. It is nice to have cus they're still pretty cheap and offer more performance than you're t25. The 16g everyones talking about is what comes on the evo 8's.

You're exhaust manifold was pretty valuable cus it typically doesn't crack like back in the day. Just get a typical 2g mani cus they're pretty good for a few hundred horses.

You might have a better chance finding aftermarket intercooler piping instead of stock. Stock's pipes are rubber. Aftermarket will be aluminum.

Intercooler, either go with an ebay front mount or get a stock one on here for cheap. Honestly, I would be getting the stock one.

Maintenence is EXTREMELY important. Like i said up above if your car is plagued with lose wires you're gonna have some issues that may give you mixed signals when diagnosing a problem. Take care of sensors as soon as you get the car running.

Get an aftermarket fuel pump if you NEED one. If you get TOO big of a fuel pump then you'll need to buy a fuel pressure regulator and what the point of having all that if you dont have the injectors to use it. Which brings me to my next point.

Injectors. Get stock ones. Just trust me. Until you have a Power plan just stick with stock. You'll beable to sell them for what you bought them for a few months from now. No biggie.

Ignition. OEM goto the stealership or get one from someone parting out a 2g

I keep looking at your Ebay car and i'm seeing new things you'll need everytime. For instance. A turbo uses oil to stay cool and lubed...you need oil feed lines. Which unless it has no oil and the oil pan just has open oil feed holes; you need to unplug the pan which depending on what kinda shape the thread are in....ugh...

Get a wiring harness from who that guy down below recommended or from someone, again, whos parting out a 2g.

Also Stop worrying abour rain from a hole under the filter. I doubt you'll have a problem and if you do Duct tape is a dsmers best friend.

I really can't think of anything else and i need to get to bed just stick with stock until you have some extra cash laying around to fix things that will break. And remember dude....you're cars broken. Fix it. Modifying it right now is just dumb unless you know the cars in good shape.....which its NOT.

Ok so lets recap. Stay stock. Modify after its put back together. Make sure the cars maintenence is kept up. If you do all that you'll be fine......for now.

Good luck with everything. If you need help with anything dont hesitate to instant message me personally and i'll help you with whatever you need.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

I do appreciate your help, putting this thing together stock is not an option for me. My cougar would have beat a gs-t gsx stock (these cars pushed 210) my cougar was 315-320. It has a 3L hybrid swap, headers, etc... but that gone...out of my mind..a real headache...

The eclipse ot me is not aheadache it is a treat I just gotta unwrap it!

I will not put this thing back to stock and then rebuy upgraded parts. If I can afford upgraded parts, I Will, If I can't I can't. You guys talked em out of buying a big turbo kit so I am closing in on a deal on this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-...ryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I just got off the phone last night with them. I am upgrading this to a package deal. This kit listed here, Plus an XXL FMIC (bar and plate, tig welded), RFl BOV, Hard polished piping, Tial 38mm wastegate, all gaskets couplers, etc I need for installtion for 10,50 shipped to my door.

I should be ordering this with in the next day or two. Any rebutttles?

I am getting a wiring hanress and the 550 injectors from the same person.
He is saying I need an adapter to hook the new wiring hanress to a clipped end of my old one. He is saying I just can't cut both hanresses and re-wire them together. I need this adapter in order to make em work.

The car has an oil feed line, When the ca got put on the flat bed, alot of oil came out. Its curled a lil bit and it arises next to the down pipe, new turbo kit will come with all feedlines etc as well.

Ok, what state does the car need to be to run a compression test. I dont' have a turbo kit. The shape it is in now, it won't start.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

As already stated by many people here, DO NOT buy turbos off ebay. You aren't knowledgable enough about DSMs yet to know what you're looking for. That turbo is knock off garbage and will most likely be blown in a week.

Also, that complete kit for $1,000 is WAY too good to be true. Many people say it, "Mod right, mod once." There is no short cuts with these cars and they don't tolerate hack jobs and ghetto rigging very well. Do it right the first time around. Don't go beyond you're budget and buy crap. If you can't afford quality parts, then just tuck your ego and replace it with a stock peice. Trust me it will cost you less money in the long run. Just get the car running.


And to do a compression test the motor only has to be able to crank. It doesn't have to do anything for a leakdown test, just sit there.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

I was under the assumption that it was an authentic turbo...

Well then what about this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ecli...1QQihZ005QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Comp test...your saying I can do this comp test w/o a complete turbo set up? Even w/o the exhaust manifold? Won't flames come out of the manifold w/o there?


If this is fake as well then I'm off to go piece a kit piece by piece.

 

[1gcrazy]

Wow....I just dont think you can be taught.

No EBAY TURBOS!!

Look up SSAUTOCHROME on here... no ya know what i'll do it for you.

This is what happens when you buy cheap shit. Look all the way on the second page as well. Look at the 4 picture links. Their turbo's are GLUED together! There stuff BREAKS.

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176409

Do what you want but goin back to stock will take 1/3 of the money after everything adds up. Ya know I bet if you really tried you could get all the stock parts for under 150 bucks Maybe less!

After the cars running and you replaced all the sensors and MADE SURE THE MAINTENENCE IS UP TO DATE. THEN start modding. Mod once mod right. This isnt' a honda! You need to chill out on the ebay crap too!

You came on here asking our VALUABLE opinion and once we tell you WHAT you NEED to be doing to make this right, you tell us you're not gonna do it cus you want a car faster than your cougar. If you want a car to beat a cougar then why not just buy a honduh and slap an ebay turbo kit on? Or how about buy a bicycle and strap a rocket on it?

How much do rockets go for on ebay? I bet ssautochrome will sell you one...

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

OK OK OK

Its hard for me to piece a kit for lack of time( I am late to work b/c I am posting this)
I'll propose you this
Get me a turbo
BOV (RFL or Greddy type S)
Polished Hard piping
XXL FMIC Bar and plate design
J-pipe
Manifold
Wastegate
All stuff I need for installtion such as gaskets, couplers, clamps etc...
Keep it around 1,200 and i'll paypal you $100

I am in negotians with a member over an 18g so a turbo might be removed from the list!

 

[Snobordin8]

As for your BOV, stay away from any that vent, search for "venting bov" if you don't know why. There are ways to vent properly but it sounds like you're on a budget so those don't go well together. If you're trying to save money just buy a stock 1g bov. I bought mine for $30 and run 20+ psi daily. Then you can spend the extra hundred elsewhere.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

You will NEVER get all those things for that price unless you're buying most of it used.

 

[1gcrazy]

As for your BOV, stay away from any that vent, search for "venting bov" if you don't know why. There are ways to vent properly but it sounds like you're on a budget so those don't go well together. If you're trying to save money just buy a stock 1g bov. I bought mine for $30 and run 20+ psi daily. Then you can spend the extra hundred elsewhere.

He's right a 1st gen BOV is all you need. If you're boosting more than 20psi you better understand why you dont want a vented BOV to start with.

As for the list: You dont need to pay us to recieve help you just need to stay humble and realize what and why we're telling you something. If someone helps you on here and later on down the road you're able to give reputation points, thats an option but we wont go into rep points just yet.
The list!

Get an internally wastegated turbo, If i'm not mistaken, all mitsu turbos are int. gated(t25, 14b, 16g, 18g) You wont need a wastegate till later.

you can goto a muffler shop with the car and tell them you need pipes. Show them where they need to go and they'll make them. If you really feel the need you can paint them chrome or powdercoat them later on down the road.

You really dont need the FMIC but for shits and giggles....I hear ebay FMIC's are ok to use. I dont need a fmic for a while so i havn't done much research. Some of these other guys might beable to tell you.

The manifold. Look for a used 2g manifold with no cracks. You dont need anything other than that! It flows well for your application. You can get it ported later on if need be.

The J pipe. I would just have a muffler place fab one up and connect it yourself with couplers.

I hafta run for now i'll refine this later.

 

[SinaiTSi]

OK OK OK

Its hard for me to piece a kit for lack of time( I am late to work b/c I am posting this)
I'll propose you this
Get me a turbo
BOV (RFL or Greddy type S)
Polished Hard piping
XXL FMIC Bar and plate design
J-pipe
Manifold
Wastegate
All stuff I need for installtion such as gaskets, couplers, clamps etc...
Keep it around 1,200 and i'll paypal you $100

I am in negotians with a member over an 18g so a turbo might be removed from the list!

Do this.

Turbochargers 2g Solution w/ install kit
REAL MHI Evo 3 16g Turbo
GT Manifold (flows about the same as an Evo manifold)
J pipe w/ install kit
http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=186
$699

BOV - can't beat the 1g at it's price and it holds boost well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1G-D...ryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
$35

2g FMIC. If you really want one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...9QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I've heard great things about these kits. There is a huge thread on this kit, I haven't read a negative response so far.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207809&highlight=let's+talk+ebay
If you get the group buy.
$295

Your total comes to $1,029 which the extra $200 can go to surprises that might pop up during the install.....which will happen. Good luck. You can paypal me at.....haha, jk.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Actually I take that back..I got on web tv at work and added a few posts on DSMTRADER

BUMP FOR AN AWESOME SITE...saved me hours looking through DSMtuner classifieds and e-mailing people and waiting...NOW THEY COME TO ME

All who help will get rep points...if you know me...I belive one hand washes the other
Just sucks that I was good moderator on the cougar forums...I come in here and I can;t even apply half the shit I learned with the cougar to a dsm ?!!?!

Is that intercooler a bar and plate design...I read the post thanks to soem advice...I heard the XOXO or w/e it is got the best rating.

Also in that post they talked about cleaning the FMIC but they talked about a filter b/w pipe and FMIC so yo will never have to clean it...Can someone further explain it and send me where I can get it?

I can't even begin to tell you....I was up and under the car today (we towed it to my friends shop and put it under the lift AND HOLY ####...lots of loose wires!

This month this seems like it gonna be alot longer.

THANKD FOR YOUR HELP...I got alot of replys on my ads, LOOK FOR MORE POSTS, looking for adive to see whats good and not!

MUCH LOVE TO ALL...I am exhausted and I am going to bed!

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

OK, Having trouble sleeping....thissi on my mind...the turbo in the ad is for three differnet kinds....Isn't the EvoIII the best one?"

 

[SinaiTSi]

OK, Having trouble sleeping....thissi on my mind...the turbo in the ad is for three differnet kinds....Isn't the EvoIII the best one?"

Ok, there is a choice between 4 different turbos in that kit:

GT Evo 3 Big 16g
Mitsubishi 16g
Mitsubishi Big 16g
Mitsubishi Evo 3 Big 16g

(fyi, genuine mitsubishi turbos are also referred to as MHI. i.e. MHI Evo 3 16g is the real thing)
Of those 4, the 2 you would want would either be the GT Evo 3 16g or the MHI Evo 3 16g. They both support more power than the other 2 with about the same spool up time. Now, there is a big debate on these two turbos because the "GT" Evo 3 16g isn't a genuine mitsubishi product that is a turbo based on the Genuine MHI Evo 3 16g. Alot of people say they are crap while others have used them and get great results. In all honesty, I have nothing against this GT turbo but I don't have the money to just be testing things out, so that's why I'll probably just go with the real MHI Evo 3 16g that has be tested and proven. The choice is yours of which one you get but if I had to suggest one, I would say buy the "Mitsubishi Evo 3 Big 16g" as it reads in the drop down list.

 

[Foreverfalcon40]

Got bad news, the injecotrs I bought (550's) are no good, The person who I was going to purchase them from tested them on his firend's GSX and did not perform properly. He wasn't sure, if it was them or the car. But they are not ebing sold to me. He has a pair of 770's with 7Kmiles on them for 208 shipped to my door. I know they support 400+ hp but can they be tuned to support 300-350hp range w/o running rich?

Good looks,

I give one more day on my responding to my WANTED ADS. If not satisfied by then, I will be placing my order in on those parts.

No word on a FMIC filter?

 

[SinaiTSi]

Yes, those injectors will be fine. It's all in the tune.

FMIC filter, I've never even heard of one of these to tell you the truth. Where did you hear about it? In that big Ebay FMIC thread?

 

[elfroggo]

Well the residue that ends up in the intercooler is from PCV valve pulling blowby into your intake tract.

I am not aware of any filter between the intercooler and pipe and it is not necessary. In addition, a filter put there would be seeing some pretty significant air pressure so that isn't good.

If you don't want your intercooler getting gunked up, then get a catch can installed.

 

[turbodsm18]

ALL I Am Going To Say Is do Your Research And Do It Right The First Time, I Learned The Hard Way, TRUst Me Dont Cheap Out On Your Dsm, ItS Not Worth It.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Please don't try to be Defiant. Its only funny when he does it.

 

[turbodsm18]

Please don't try to be Defiant. Its only funny when he does it.

I dont like to bash people but this kid just doesnt learn and needs to realize that these cars need a lot of time and money, especially for 500whp.