New Alternator Increase HP

[kmartind]

Retrofitting a true hybrid system doesn't seem at all practical, but perhaps as a very short duration power-adder it might make a little sense (if it were a LOT cheaper). I mean the Accord hybrid can do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds with a 5-speed automatic and it weighs 3513lbs, but that's a 3 liter V6 plus an electirc motor that draws 120 amps at 144 volts. Guess how much actual horsepower the electric motor makes? 16.1, yep that's right, only 16 horsepower, but it makes 100 pound-feet of torque at only 800RPM. In theory, the "Electrocharger" could more than double that, but with a capacitive battery, it could only provide the extra power for a few seconds before the battery would be drained and you'd be back to plain-old gas power. Double or triple that again without adding way too much weight and at a reasonable cost, and they might have something.

 

[BrokenTsi]

Its still stupid. I would not switch out my alternator for this bullshit. I dont care what the vfaq says or how great it sounds, it is by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen. And if i saw that under the hood of a dsm or any car, I would point and laugh.

 

[97TSIAWD]

So how is it not a good Idea to take a part that drains hp from your car normally and make it produce hp instead?
Even if it was a small minascule amount of hp? Acctually lets say It produced no hp and just negated the hp draw wouldnt that be something?


Let me put it this way if you could run without and Alt you would remove in a second right?

I also stated in my above post that I was not considering purchase. I just like to help my fellow DSMers with new tec. Before the Talon I help VR4'ers as much as I could new tec and old. I am not new to this scene, and know bs when I see it.

Before you form opinons you need to back it with research of some kind. Not just state as fact that something doesnt work just becouse you dont understand it.

If your trying to help dsm'ers why would you even consider saying that this product has any sound to it? Why would someone with a turbo car use this, especially if it used battery power? If anything tell the n/t people to use it. Also, if the product is developed and they have proof it adds some sort of hp then they have tested it and should be able to put up the numbers. Come on, do you really believe that they have hp numbers, did they just estimate it then, and if so that makes it worse. If your actually condoning a internet falacy and bogus product do it on another website. The DSM community doesn't need someone trying to promote a non-legit product.

 

[Jehu]

Guys, you have to look past all the typical marketing BS. From an engineering stand point, the idea IS technically sound. I seriously doubt that it'll be able to transmit too much torque to the engine, but it could conceivable add some torque. I'd say that 20-30hp is probably not out of the question. Couple this to the fact that you also get to remove the drag you'd usually get from an alternator during acceleration, that makes a 30hp boost quite possible. Now, if they can make sure that the output can be sustained for >1 minute, you'd probably have time to recharge, even with aggressive driving.

If they could get the price point under $300-400, heck I'd give it a shot.

 

[Bailzz]

Hey, if there is a money back guarantee then its worth the try. And the HP increase isn't what cuts 3 seconds, its the torque. That is why the electrical is so efficient, gets the vehicle moving rapidly, then uses gas to sustain speed. You get better GAS mileage at 45 MPH not 0 to 45 MPH. 100 foot lbs of torque could cut probably 3 seconds of any car.

 

[Bailzz]

If your actually condoning a internet falacy and bogus product do it on another website. The DSM community doesn't need someone trying to promote a non-legit product.

What are you? a MOD now?

 

[BrokenTsi]

stupid.

 

[97TSIAWD]

Guys, you have to look past all the typical marketing BS. From an engineering stand point, the idea IS technically sound. I seriously doubt that it'll be able to transmit too much torque to the engine, but it could conceivable add some torque. I'd say that 20-30hp is probably not out of the question. Couple this to the fact that you also get to remove the drag you'd usually get from an alternator during acceleration, that makes a 30hp boost quite possible. Now, if they can make sure that the output can be sustained for >1 minute, you'd probably have time to recharge, even with aggressive driving.

If they could get the price point under $300-400, heck I'd give it a shot.

Well since my brother is an engineer, I'll have him post why this product although it might work will not produce close to anything it says. Marketing or not, if their marketing technique is a straight lie, which you are obviously saying, then how can you say the product is good at all if the first thing they do is lie to you? Now a much lower increase in hp of the 20-30 range, would seem plausable, likely I'm not sure. But even though for someone who has a turbo car the money can be used to buy something that would raise the hp more than that, making this item not really feasable for a turbo dsm. Possibly a n/t car though.

Bailzz, if you put this on your car, since there is a money back guarantee, would you want your dyno to have a huge 100lb torque curve that is substantially over your hp curve? Most of the time it is nice to keep them fairly close but hp usually has a much higher arc. I don't know if this device could actually put 100lb of torque to the pavement, it seems like it would not produce enough energy at all. A supercharger needs the engine hp to make hp, but also uses an air intake and a possible aftercooler. This is not producing boost, since it is not hooked up to the intake. So unlike a supercharger it will not boost the car. A supercharger is effective, this is basically only an alternator type device taking the place of a supercharger belt on the crankpulley. So does the engine power it? Because a supercharger the motor does start the process, I fail to see how that works well or even helps in this situation. Also if your worried about the drag of an alt, take it off but don't put this back on, that is if you think the gains of not having an alt are worth it.

 

[marcmsj]

the proof is in the pudding...

are there any before and after dyno sheets?

 

[rob_rousseau]

Ok, they claim battery power of 1.2Kw, and 30Kw of "ultra capacitor" power (which would be used up almost instantly) This would leave you with 1200Watts... 1200watts divided by 746watts (1hp=746watts) = 1.6 Hp for 2 minutes... wow, only $3000 for 1.6 Hp??? This is the greatest invention ever...

Also, in their FAQ... One question asks "does the electrocharger act as a DC generator or an AC alternator?" and the answer given makes me laugh. it says, "the current produced by the electrocharger is alternating DC current." Alternating DC current huh? Wonder how that works. What a stupid product. And it sounds like they don't even know what they are talking about.

 

[rob_rousseau]

Also, do you really think they are transmitting 100HP to the crank through that little rubber belt? HAHA

 

[butters]

I am glad to see a discussion forming which was my goal at posting this link.


Comments like

STUPID does nothing for this discussion or this forum.

New items are one of the reasons for this and other forums. For us to talk about and figure out what or if the product will work or has any merrit.

I am in no way stating this does or will work or will increase hp or tourqe.

What I am saying is new tec. should be raised for disscusion and not just dismissed by Broken TSI.
By the way whats your area of expertise? Is your back ground in Electrical or Machanical Engineering? B/c I have had both look at this and they say it's a sound theory.

To all others good discussion keep it comeing.

 

[xpr626]

Machanical Engineering

Just wtf is machanical engineering....







Mechanical? It’s not about spelling but anyone with an elevated IQ can type legibly.

 

[butters]

Some of the smartest people I know are the worst spellers I have ever seen.


That being said some of the most ignorant people I have meet are some of the best Spellers.


Out of everything I have written thats all you can come up with to discuss? my ability or lack there of to be able to spell?

Please stick to the topic at hand and dont wast valuable bandwith to try and make yourself feel more superior. If you wanna do that and impress me please post with an intelligent argument either why or why not this doesnt work.

I mean come on are you even old enough to drive with that type of mentallity?

 

[xpr626]

The physics behind this device are along the lines of the electric superchargers on flebay. There is no way a alternator size motor is pulling much more then 3 horsepower efficiently, it’s not possible. Even if this device were to put out lets say 40 horsepower and the whole unit way in around 500 pounds it would totally negate any said power increase. Also like stated above I would love to see some substantial horse power and torque transfer through a rubber fan belt! Gimme a f*cking break, this is grade A bullshit.


ALSO people with at least a tiny bit of intelligence can learn to use spell check, quit being a hamster.



Amen

 

[butters]

You will have to excuse my lack of intelligance but WTF is a hamster ohhhh GREAT ONE?



On the rest of your post plz suply some type of reserch other than your own "Lacking" opinon on the subject.

I already asked that there be no more conjecture unless you have some type of engineering degree. Then you can offer all the opinons you want becouse it will be based on some type school of thought, not just your idea of how it should or shouldnt work.


Spell check? What am I handing in a report? Or am I simply typeing on a disscussion board? I could understand if my post was nonsence, but come on did you not understand it? I assume you must have in order for you to form your own barley coherant thoughts and post.