New Alternator Increase HP

[butters]

Check this out a friend just showed it to me.


http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electrocharger/electrocharger.php

Might be worth a look.

 

[97TSIAWD]

Well that in conjunction with other power adders like the toranado, and I'm thinking 9's!! It looks interesting but I don't think it will do as much as it says, and is not even close to being in the same category as a turbo/supercharger/nitrous.

 

[Elight]

Umm...I read the article twice and I couldn't find where it told exectly how it worked. So I was skeptical and then I got to the FAQ and read these:


Q. Is the Electrocharger™ a performance upgrade?

A. Yes, it decreases your 0-60 time by a minimum of 3 seconds and sheds at least 3 seconds off your 1/4 mile time, over stock vehicle performance.


Q. What other upgrades would I need to have to add more power with the system?

A. The new product we are expecting to introduce next year will be an upgrade for the Electrocharger™ that allows you to add 15PSI of boost to the engine. Giving you up to an additional 200HP, but in a sophisticated intelligent manner. Keep watching the website for more details.

Now I'm really pumped I can take three seconds off my 1/4 mile and next year I can bolt on some upgrade that will give me 15psi and add 200 hp. Sweet I'm getting this thing asap :laugh:

 

[kutschca]

It seems to me from a quick glance at the site that what they are selling is a strong electrical motor that mounts to the crank and essentially "pulls" on the motor forcing it to turn over faster. In theory this might help build RPMs when starting off, because electrical motors have a good deal of torque, but I wouldn't put much faith in it.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

I think if I put three of these on my car with my 2 tornados all Id need to do is put my turbo noise maker on and Ill be in the 11s....9's with vinyl

 

[1_bar_goes_far]

I realy hate when poeple make b.s. like this and try and take people's money. They said that it can provide 600amps at 48 volts. Okay, but 600*48=28,800 watts. Now lets see, lets say 800watts per hp (susposing its really efficient). 28,800watts/800watts per hp = 36hp. Wow!!! For 2800 dollars I can add 36hp!!!!!!!! Or I could spend 5 dollars on a mbc and then 20 on some race gas. Oh well. I bet thousands of people out there will buy one.

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

I dont really like the looks of that thing. And it said something about extra capacitors and batteries in the trunk of the car? That seems like lots of added extra weight. That thing saying its a performance upgrade is to saying stickers add hp :laugh:

 

[DSM Demon]

^^^must've never seen that 300hp fast and the furious decal ^^^

 

[butters]

I am in no way considering this mostly due to price. The idea looks sound to me though.

It's not just an alt and not just a electric motor it's both, and can be used with a turbo or super charger.

This is big news in other car forums alot of exsited people out there waiting for this product.

This is also a good idea for our turbo cars considering the lag we all deal with.

To me seems like it will give you needed tourque while getting the rmps up therefore spooling the turbo faster.

Is that a correct assumption? I think you fellas should read the artical and FAQ a little closer.

I forgot to add it doesnt funtion as an alt while on the gas that there should free up what 10-15 hp? Only while breaking does it go into charge. I also have a friend who is an engineer who wants this on his nissan.

 

[thegreatms]

Your car will be a little more like the Honda hybrid. A good jolt of torque for ~1.5 seconds, then average/slower acceleration the rest of the way because you added 200lbs of equipment. It's just stupid to use your engine to make kinetic energy; then lose energy turning to electrical stored energy then lose more going back to mechanical. It's adding two inefficiencies, plus weight.

Hybrids are a good idea for gas mileage if you get a really small efficient gas engine, I mean small: like <.6 liter. Then it can run at WOT most of the time, because that’s where gas engines are most efficient. The large battery pack should take the extra power then return it when you need a power boost over the 40 hp the .6liter can give you.

 

[96whgsx]

The Electrocharger allows you to take a tax Deduction on the purchase of the Electrocharger and combined with the savings you will see in fuel economy, the Electrocharger pays for itself in a very short time. Installing the ElectrochargerTM on your vehicle does not void your vehicle warranty coverage either.

Now they are just making stuff up.

 

[BrokenTsi]

That's the dumbets thing I have ever seen. If you like that steamy pile of hot garbage, then go buy it.

Turbo lag aint that bad either. wait half a second, then boom, you're banging thru gears like there's no tomorrow......

 

[butters]

How does it add 200 pounds?


You loose the alt and the battery kind of an even swap I would say.

The pic on the site is what it looks like connected to an engine.

The charger is the small alt looking device attacked to an engine.

 

[BrokenTsi]

its still retarded.

 

[goofynick6]

It's posted on the intarnet thinger, so it's obviously true!!!!!!!!

 

[rob_rousseau]

Haha, the 600amp alternator needed to power this thing would prolly make the engine stall! haha... This is a scam, stay away

 

[butters]

Haha, the 600amp alternator needed to power this thing would prolly make the engine stall! haha... This is a scam, stay away

Is anyone really reading this? It sure doesnt seem like it with post like this.


Check out the FAQ it will explain alot of this science.


I am no engineer or car guru, but I am smart enough to figure out that this is a good idea.

You people act like it's the worst thing since Honda.

Theres also alot of anti gravity stuff in the works, but I guess you will all say thats stupid too?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=mercury+vapor+anti-gravity&spell=1

http://www.americanantigravity.com/lifters.shtml

My point with these links is this just becouse you dont understand somthing doesnt mean it doesnt work or exists. You all need to quit being so quick to dismiss somthing just becouse you dont understand it.

 

[97TSIAWD]

Is anyone really reading this? It sure doesnt seem like it with post like this.


Check out the FAQ it will explain alot of this science.


I am no engineer or car guru, but I am smart enough to figure out that this is a good idea.

You people act like it's the worst thing since Honda.

Theres also alot of anti gravity stuff in the works, but I guess you will all say thats stupid too?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=mercury+vapor+anti-gravity&spell=1

http://www.americanantigravity.com/lifters.shtml

My point with these links is this just becouse you dont understand somthing doesnt mean it doesnt work or exists. You all need to quit being so quick to dismiss somthing just becouse you dont understand it.

Anti-gravity huh? Well Steven Hawkings, why don't you tell us how that is coming along then? Listen, read the site. It says that on a car it will drop your 1/4 mile time by 3 seconds. Is this true, let's be honest. On any stock car that is something close to 100+ hp. An alternator, electrocharger can not do that. Even if this electrocharger has enough energy and power to turn the crank pully, it isn't going to pull it like a supercharger. My friend put a supercharger on his mustang and probably went around 3 seconds faster. So by their website, that means that this nets the same results. Impossible. Anything electric can not make the motor turn fast enough, and if it could the battery source/power would have to be tremendous. It is simple physics, that small electrocharger does not have enough energy to spin the crank pully fast enough to produce the hp that it says it would, or the 1/4 mile times. To me what it does make sense is more of an economical stand point, which may have been it's original design. It would help if the theory of the contraption is correct, increase mpg for a gas powered car, similar to a hybrid theory, although not close to something like the Prius. But, you must not view this thing so seriously as people tend to do. The tornado, bov noise maker, there are lots of inventions that claim to add hp but in reality never do. This is probably one of them, if not ask them to show the dyno numbers now. Would it be that hard, if they have a picture of it on an engine it must be a working example, so why not show pictures/videos of the car running with it? Probably because it doesn't work, otherwise what would be the hold for the proof? You don't develope a product and sell it based on assumptions, every product is tested so if it does work there would be evidence of it.

 

[butters]

Once again READ THE FAQ!!!!!!


Dyno numbers will be out in the summer as well as 0-60 times.

Thanks
for the steven Hawkin thing! I do consider myself very inteligant

How do you know there claims are untrue are you on the ground floor research for this product? NO? You dont know niether do It just looked to be promissing. I am sure if the claims prove to be true you will be telling all your friends about it and how you heard about it six months ago.


The whole point of my post was to ask that it not be dismissed just becouse in your opinoin it doesnt work.


You can hardly compare this with a tornado or the noise makers. If you will also notice they are not making it and selling it based on assumtion. In fact at this point it's NOT forsale. Still in the TESTING faze after testing they will release all the numbers we love so much.

 

[Steve93Talon]

Thanks
for the steven Hawkin thing! I do consider myself very inteligant

BWAHAHAHAH!!!! now that's funny (hint: it's Stephen Hawking & intelligent)

You are correct though, everyone's dismissing it too quickly. The theory is sound and it should work just like a hybrid car does. I thought about making something like this myself but it would have been cost prohibitive as a one-off. As for the people talking about the power it would take to run it, read the site. The capacitor bank they use will store a massive charge and release it in a short burst. It's the same technology you use to keep your headlights from dimming when your bass hits by adding a capacitor. I definitely think they're power claims are on the high side, but it will add power and increase economy.

 

[BrokenTsi]

omfg, nobody asked those questions on the vfaq, they were made up.

If it will make my car 3 seconds faster, then ill be running low 9's, .

This thing is retarded.

 

[butters]

BWAHAHAHAH!!!! now that's funny (hint: it's Stephen Hawking & intelligent)

Dont make it sound like you spell everything right now thats a joke! Though sorry for the mispelling had a little blonde yammering in my ear while trying to type.


Thank you for reading the info before posting.

I agree the numbers are probly a bit inflated though even if it's half of what they claim still a very good idea.

 

[BrokenTsi]

It's not a good idea.

Sounds like they did exactly what they were trying to do, hook line and sinker. They marketed a part and glorified it and you think its the next best thing sinced sliced bread. The part is junk. The idea is retarded. Argue all you like, but save your breath, this part is just flat out retarded.

Just a few guys trying to make a few bucks. Hell, thousands of kids have e-rams and tornados and electric superchargers on their cars. The guy who sells them made a huge profit probably.

:thumbdown

 

[butters]

So how is it not a good Idea to take a part that drains hp from your car normally and make it produce hp instead?
Even if it was a small minascule amount of hp? Acctually lets say It produced no hp and just negated the hp draw wouldnt that be something?


Let me put it this way if you could run without and Alt you would remove in a second right?

I also stated in my above post that I was not considering purchase. I just like to help my fellow DSMers with new tec. Before the Talon I help VR4'ers as much as I could new tec and old. I am not new to this scene, and know bs when I see it.

Before you form opinons you need to back it with research of some kind. Not just state as fact that something doesnt work just becouse you dont understand it.

 

[Steve93Talon]

Dont make it sound like you spell everything right now thats a joke!

I try to spell correctly and use proper grammar, not saying I'm perfect, but the irony is that you said you considered yourself intelligent yet spelled it wrong