LS1 V8 powered Talon Anyone done this?

[rock1t]

Usually the idea is to fix a car by putting a better motor in the car gettin a LS engine , there is nothing wrong with the 4g63, there is nothing wrong with AWD. There is a reason they swap LS engines into RX-7, and thats because there engines are garbage, 4g63's aernt garbage. But if your gonna swap anything into a DSM then make sure its a LS, at least.

Rotary engines are not junk. Hence why we can blow our engines up and still drive them for 8 months.

Go ahead and try blowing your junky old head gasket and driving on it. I will take the blown apex seal and still being able to drive it.

If you were to ask the majority of the car world, they will ask you if you put a leash on your crank. (just an example of the lack of knowledge they actually have, kind of like you and rotary's.)



And I am in the process of LS1 swapping my talon. I won't have boost leaks, I won't be fooling around with piddly sh`t, I will have reliability and a great deal of torque.

Flame suit on.

Why would you waste your money putting a LS1 in a DSM/Evo? A 2.0L 4 cylinder engine could easily take a LS1 and I wouldn't call the 8 cylinder LS1 exactly light weight.

If you want 400 HP just go with a stock block with an hx35 or even a 16g.

Hmm. Let's check it out.

LS1 with just a few bolt ons = 400. LS1 with the bolt ons and a cam = 475+

And you will get the cheapest parts, since the LS1 is the most popular engine, and you will get the most support from Vendor's and parts fabricators out there.

LS1's have a proven track record of reliability. Something you can take to the track on weekends, and drive throughout the week, unlike DSM's.

And the LS1 is light. LS is GM's designation for being an aluminum block.

The LS1 I put in my old 240sx weighed less than the stock KA24DE in it.

Also the stock heads on those have amazing flow numbers, specially if you port them out.





There should be no hate for the LS1 on here. It should be respect and appreciation. Because evidently GM did something right, as mitsu failed, and decided to sell the 4g63 to hyundai. How many people do you see swapping 4G63's into different chassis's as compared to the LS1.

 

[MidShipCivic]

After reading that.

I think you're pretty ignorant with a lot of exaggeration .

 

[rock1t]

After reading that.

I think you're pretty ignorant with a lot of exaggeration .

it happens. i'm on my 6th 12-hour day in a row at work. things may not appear as they are. haha

 

[Tanro]

Why not do it in something that is lighter and allready RWD? I can think of a dozen cars.

200sx. 240sx. 180-370z(x), Any generation RX-7, RX-8, 1st or 3rd Gen Celica, AE-86, 70's Lancer GTO, Hyundai Genesis Coupe. ETC ETC. I bet at least 75% of those are ligther than a dsm and all of them are allready AWD. That is not even touching the US or Euro cars. I honestly dont know much about euro cars and I can think of several light US cars. Dodge Dart for example. Few others.

How many people do you see swapping 4G63's into different chassis's as compared to the LS1.

Hmm I live in a back water ass place called alabama were most people hate imports. And I have personally seen 4g63T swapped Starions, Colts, Mirages, a Celica, A mighty max or two, a 4g swapped RX7. The 4g63 is probably second to ecotec in my area at the moment. Yeah there a lot of honda fanboys with boltons but they are not running any serious HP or even good track times.

 

[donniekak]

Yea but the fastest 1/4 cars in the world(top fuel) are carb cars and making 8000+hp. I mean the outlaw cars are running 6's with 3,000 pounds minimum, 10.5 Wide tires, mufflers, and stock-appearing bodies.

And id hate to say but you may match the hp but will never match the reliability of a big v8. I love dsm's but a bolt on ls1 will make 500hp and you can beat the dog piss out of it for 300k miles. Lets not turn this into a 4 vs 8 thread

Top fuel cars run over 20 injectors.

 

[MightyMax88]

Why not do it in something that is lighter and allready RWD? I can think of a dozen cars.

200sx. 240sx. 180-370z(x), Any generation RX-7, RX-8, 1st or 3rd Gen Celica, AE-86, 70's Lancer GTO, Hyundai Genesis Coupe. ETC ETC. I bet at least 75% of those are ligther than a dsm and all of them are allready AWD. That is not even touching the US or Euro cars. I honestly dont know much about euro cars and I can think of several light US cars. Dodge Dart for example. Few others.



Hmm I live in a back water ass place called alabama were most people hate imports. And I have personally seen 4g63T swapped Starions, Colts, Mirages, a Celica, A mighty max or two, a 4g swapped RX7. The 4g63 is probably second to ecotec in my area at the moment. Yeah there a lot of honda fanboys with boltons but they are not running any serious HP or even good track times.

I've seen 4Gs swapped into just about everything, same with the LSx series motors too though. (I'm doing a 4G swap into a Mighty Max, and I know a guy who's swapped a 4G into an EG hatch).

I'm not really seeing the urge to swap an LS1 into a DSM tho. I'm sure it'd be cool, but I'd personally rather just build the 4G up as it's already a decent platform. At any rate post up the pics of the build and keep us updated on it

 

[Red Alert]

Oh ? Let's see it take a corner...

What? It can't ?

IT GOES FAST ONLY IN A STRAIGHT LINE?

Okay okay fine, turn on the AC, what do you mean it doesn't have AC?

What are these seats made off metal? Eh, that's what they are?

It's raining turn on the windsheild wipers....yo you don't have any?

Useless. You can take sheps car and add a plate on the back and coast down the highway= street car

My useless 2 cents

Please stop posting...

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

Rotary engines are not junk. Hence why we can blow our engines up and still drive them for 8 months.


Go ahead and try blowing your junky old head gasket and driving on it. I will take the blown apex seal and still being able to drive it.

I'll just take a jug of coolant with me, .

If you were to ask the majority of the car world, they will ask you if you put a leash on your crank. (just an example of the lack of knowledge they actually have, kind of like you and rotary's.)

Lack of knowledge? Your gonna base of one post, way to judge a book by reading its introduction. The old crankwalk joke eh, maybe if it was actually as big everyone thinks it is then it'd be funny. Less than 1% of all 2g dsms have had crankwalk, and real crankwalk at that, none of the "my battery is weak, i must have crankwalk" BS.

And I am in the process of LS1 swapping my talon. I won't have boost leaks, I won't be fooling around with piddly sh`t, I will have reliability and a great deal of torque.

Go ahead, my boltons+16g will make more peak and overall torque, will hit peak torque sooner, and make more horsepower than your LS1, even if it had heads and cam.
Flame suit on.



Hmm. Let's check it out.

LS1 with just a few bolt ons = 400. LS1 with the bolt ons and a cam = 475+
LS1 with full boltons=350whp. Add a cam and your somewhere around 400whp. Those numbers are more like LS3 numbers.
And you will get the cheapest parts, since the LS1 is the most popular engine, and you will get the most support from Vendor's and parts fabricators out there.

Yes you have a lot of parts but not the most. You want the most get a SBC, the 4g63 has been around twice as long and should i dare say... Has gone faster./B]
LS1's have a proven track record of reliability. Something you can take to the track on weekends, and drive throughout the week, unlike DSM's.

Sometimes. My cars have never let me down, well my GSX did, due to a shit timing job done by the previous owner. Balance shaft had no belt, oil pump was out of phase, lost oil pressure and there went my rod bearings. Not a hint of crankwalk
And the LS1 is light. LS is GM's designation for being an aluminum block.
Yes it is light, ill agree there.
The LS1 I put in my old 240sx weighed less than the stock KA24DE in it.

Also the stock heads on those have amazing flow numbers, specially if you port them out.
They have pretty average numbers, stock LS1 "241"heads dont flow worth a shit, 243's flow alright, the really amazing numbers come from the LS3/L92/LS7. Those will flow 325cfm+ unported, with the LS7 at 350cfm+. Still the shittiest 4g63 head, the 1g head, will flow 280cfm, stock, unported. That right there is more than any stock cathedral port put out by GM.




There should be no hate for the LS1 on here. It should be respect and appreciation. Because evidently GM did something right, as mitsu failed, and decided to sell the 4g63 to hyundai. How many people do you see swapping 4G63's into different chassis's as compared to the LS1.

I aint "hating", im just stating the truth, the LS engines are the gift from above, but only on the V8 level, the 4g63 is the LS1 for 4-cylinders. Check out the LS1 forums, im no LS1 hater. There are 4g63s in RX-7 FYI, but its just a lil harder than ls1's since you can only use the might max trannys, and then you get into wideblock and narrowblock BS. Just leave the 4g63 in the DSM's. You can put your LS1 into anything, anything with a shitty motor, like an RX-7. An RX-7 produces no torque, its powerband looks worse than a big turbo 1.6 liter honda, gets worse gas mileage than anything, and is in fact unreliable, and it sounds ugly. Now tell me why you WOULDNT put a LS1 into that.

Read above in bold.

 

[ryan90tsiawd]

What do you guys think about putting a 4g63t in a camaro, or trans am, or mustang. Now that would be a real motor!!!!!!

 

[1badpurple]

Someone has already done a mustang!
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[Ghostcrafter]

Finally, a mustang I could actually like ...

 

[ryan90tsiawd]

Absolutely Priceless!!!!!!!

 

[Blue Talon Boy]

Finally, a mustang I could actually like ...

I saw that on another thread. I think it was a late 80's. SVO if memory serves. SVO made a great swap car for that since it was already a very light car (Fox body mustang=lightest Mustang chassis, SVO=ABSOLUTE lightest Mustang chassis). However I think it had some problems hooking up because of its weight and it wasn't AWD. Pretty slick car though. I would drive it...

 

[Yngvar]

Hmm. Let's check it out.

LS1 with just a few bolt ons = 400. LS1 with the bolt ons and a cam = 475+

And you will get the cheapest parts, since the LS1 is the most popular engine, and you will get the most support from Vendor's and parts fabricators out there.

LS1's have a proven track record of reliability. Something you can take to the track on weekends, and drive throughout the week, unlike DSM's.

I have seen about 10 local camed LS1's that have not broken 400 rwhp with full bolt ons and two that have one with a t-rex and the other with after maket heads that blow up later. So I don't think LS1's real have that much of a power potential. The only local LS1's that run with stock block dsm's are spraying a 200 shot.

YOU, YOU know fuel injection is better all around. considering our manifold pressure levels. Plus everyone elses. . . Lots of money with a shaky platform means what ? . . . . . ???? he's got the most money?. . . Not that he's most efficient. Check out the f1 cars. They are about what's hte most you can get for the high dollar invested.

You do know you will make more power with a carb then with EFI on the exact same set up

 

[kspharris]

My Idea might be worse... Im in the middle of putting a 3208 v8 Caterpillar Diesel in my Ranger

I want one.... this is even better than my gocart with a 4g63 in it...hahah..

 

[1badpurple]

Actually that mustang was not an svo. It has run 9's in the quarter.

 

[dsm-onster]

You do know you will make more power with a carb then with EFI on the exact same set up

Yes, I know that I wouldn't.

 

[rock1t]

I have seen about 10 local camed LS1's that have not broken 400 rwhp with full bolt ons and two that have one with a t-rex and the other with after maket heads that blow up later. So I don't think LS1's real have that much of a power potential. The only local LS1's that run with stock block dsm's are spraying a 200 shot.

weird. my last t/a i had a mild cam, with the supporting valvetrain, rods and springs, and a ls6 intake and longtubes. put down 400/390 on the dyno. had a 125 shot, but never sprayed at the track.

currently i have a trex i am getting ready to install, and with the same bolt ons i will be putting 430/430 to the wheels. all on stock bottom end, and stock heads.

when i am finished, i will post up the dyno numbers, my hptuners log, and a video.

also the Trex is the largest cam you can go with, without buying heads.

 

[Blue Talon Boy]

Actually that mustang was not an svo. It has run 9's in the quarter.

I wasn't saying it was a true SVO, just that it was an SVO chassis.

 

[dsm-onster]

Ok, thread ender.... run better times than the average number on the SECOND page on dsmtimes.org.... Then it SURELY will be a remotely interesting endevour... lets end this thread.

 

[rtincher22085]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/hangout/341038-big-block-1g.html

I got photos of this at a drag strip a while back.

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I should have taken a few pictures of the inside of the car. The driver's side foot well was barely big enough to fit 2 pedals. It has twin rear mounted turbos tucked inside a custom box where the back seats used to be. "They were from a diesel pickup. The turbos are some brand that begins with an 'H'."

He had it dyno'd. 850hp to the wheels and 1150hp crank est.
Oh, and FYI, it's street legal.

One question WHY? Isn't a DSM suppose to eat the V8's with our lil displacement motors? So people are putting them in the DSM what a kick in the teeth. why not small block or big block a mini cooper damn

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

I have seen about 10 local camed LS1's that have not broken 400 rwhp with full bolt ons and two that have one with a t-rex and the other with after maket heads that blow up later. So I don't think LS1's real have that much of a power potential. The only local LS1's that run with stock block dsm's are spraying a 200 shot.

You do know you will make more power with a carb then with EFI on the exact same set up

Full boltons+cams is about the only way a LS1 is gonna make 400rwhp.

BSFC is most always lower on a fuel injected engine than on a carbed engine. Fuel injected apples to apples will make more power than a carb.

weird. my last t/a i had a mild cam, with the supporting valvetrain, rods and springs, and a ls6 intake and longtubes. put down 400/390 on the dyno. had a 125 shot, but never sprayed at the track.

currently i have a trex i am getting ready to install, and with the same bolt ons i will be putting 430/430 to the wheels. all on stock bottom end, and stock heads.

when i am finished, i will post up the dyno numbers, my hptuners log, and a video.

also the Trex is the largest cam you can go with, without buying heads.

Sounds about right, buddys LS1 goat did the same with a VRX3.

 

[steel_3d]

My advice, if you want a V8, buy a Vette That's what I did, and it's the best decision I ever made (for me). I have a life now, and I spend way more time driving and tracking, almost no time working on the car. It just works. It's an 08, different price range, I know, but a C5 would do as well for much less (10-15k).

If you swapped a V8 into a DSM, you'd be left with nothing that's good about a DSM, and not quite a Vette.

I think the DSM platform is great as it is. It's hard to beat high power and AWD. If I had the patience (and I had bought a car in better shape to begin with), I would have stuck with it. It would've been as fast or faster than the Vette, even on a road course. But the Vette is a better package for me.

 

[motox-010]

I have seen about 10 local camed LS1's that have not broken 400 rwhp with full bolt ons and two that have one with a t-rex and the other with after maket heads that blow up later. So I don't think LS1's real have that much of a power potential. The only local LS1's that run with stock block dsm's are spraying a 200 shot.

There is so much fail in bold.

 

[Locke]

Some of you people seem to missing the point of the big CI V8's. More displacement = more potential. Big block V8's can make make 2-3000HP and still be reliable and street driven. The potential for these engines is well over 6000HP. 8 cylinders vs. 4 means that even when you have some gnarly cams and monster heads, it will run much smoother than a similarly modded (and less powerful) 4 cylinder engine, and still make more torque off idle. You can drive it to the grocery store.

I like the little turbo 4 cylinders cars as much as the next guy, but be realistic people; the limits of a large V8 are much higher than the limits of a 4 cylinder.

Having said all that, I'd not put one in a DSM.