Longer gears in trans

[an orange crayon]

Any way to get longer gears in a 1g? Dont know if ill get any but i feel like when i get my car done i would want longer gear to go faster in top end .

 

[1990dsmkid]

You can get evo gears which are a little taller

 

[fast420a83]

I know all the 4g63 people will cringe at this, but you could get the 420a. It has long gearing..

 

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

+1 on evo 3 trans.

Evo III conversion kit

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

I know all the 4g63 people will cringe at this, but you could get the 420a. It has long gearing..

are you talking manual or auto?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

+1 on evo 3 trans.

Evo III conversion kit

+2 on it,

 

[256gsxvr4]

fast420a83 I know all the 4g63 people will cringe at this, but you could get the 420a. It has long gearing..

The 420a trans does have taller gears than the ones that come is the 4g63 cars, however you could never mate a 420a trans to a 4g63 in eclipse because the 4g63 cars have a transverse transmission where as the 420a cars do not. Also no parts internally from either trans is able to be swapped from one to the other. And last but not least it is already not that hard for 4g63 powered cars to tear up factory transmissions that are built with a lot higher quailty parts than you would ever find in a trans found in a 420a car, 420a transmissions were really intended for low hp applications and no part of them should ever touch a 4g63.

Evo gear set will solve all your problems. I launched in 2nd until i had my trans built because 1st gear was pretty much useless. Also cruising on the hwy doing 80+ kinda sucked because the engine was at such a high rpm. With the Evo gear set you will have a higher top speed and lower rpm at interstate/hwy speeds.

 

[bryanwheat]

however you could never mate a 420a trans to a 4g63 in eclipse because the 4g63 cars have a transverse transmission where as the 420a cars do not.

Actually both cars use a transverse mounted engine. The difference is that they sit 180 degrees differently in the engine bay. Transverse is where the crankshaft is parallel to the drive axles and longitudinal is where the engine is perpendicular to the axle or parallel with the drive shaft.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Wait I don't get it. Last time I read about the evo gearing you would change the fifth gear out. Which makes sense. But that kit is only 3rd &4th gears? You dont drive in 3rd,or 4th on the interstate so howv will this help interstate 5th gear driving?

 

[fast420a83]

Only the Evo 8, and up trannys sit on the same side as the 420a's tranny does... There are 2 reasons a longer geared setup are good for turboed cars (1.) is you hold boost longer in the gears (everyone pretty much knows this) and (2.) The longer gears allow you to make more power without grenading your tranny. Why?.. Because think of it like this. Think of your car as a 10 speed bike. Now in 1st gear on a bike it is really easy to get up to speed and you use alot more pressure on that smaller gear..Switch to the last gear and its effort less and climbing hills are a breeze with that bigger gear. (have you ever had your chain pop right off on first gear when you put too much load on it trying to go fast?..I have alot!.. Now try doing that on the last gear.. its impossible!.... This being said Yes, Your car will be slower with the longer gears n/a but throw on a turbo and it will take the abuse... That is why our cars can make 600hp on oem rebuilt trannys. I would definately get longer gearing for your 4g63 trannys!.. Especially a longer first gear, if it is possible. It's better all around!... The 420a also has this cool mod to get rid of torque steer. 2GNT.com - Equal_Length_Driveshafts

 

[an orange crayon]

Well i have a 1990 talon tsi and the conversion kit doesnt work for a 1990.

 

[Tiki2777]

Only the Evo 8, and up trannys sit on the same side as the 420a's tranny does... There are 2 reasons a longer geared setup are good for turboed cars (1.) is you hold boost longer in the gears (everyone pretty much knows this) and (2.) The longer gears allow you to make more power without grenading your tranny. Why?.. Because think of it like this. Think of your car as a 10 speed bike. Now in 1st gear on a bike it is really easy to get up to speed and you use alot more pressure on that smaller gear..Switch to the last gear and its effort less and climbing hills are a breeze with that bigger gear. (have you ever had your chain pop right off on first gear when you put too much load on it trying to go fast?..I have alot!.. Now try doing that on the last gear.. its impossible!.... This being said Yes, Your car will be slower with the longer gears n/a but throw on a turbo and it will take the abuse... That is why our cars can make 600hp on oem rebuilt trannys. I would definately get longer gearing for your 4g63 trannys!.. Especially a longer first gear, if it is possible. It's better all around!... The 420a also has this cool mod to get rid of torque steer. 2GNT.com - Equal_Length_Driveshafts

Um, you really don't know what you're talking about at all when it comes to 420as... The trans on them are absolute SHIT. Even on a good working trans with good synchros they shift like crap at high RPMs (ask Justin). No oem rebuild on those trans is going to hold 600hp...

Only the Evo 8, and up trannys sit on the same side as the 420a's tranny does... There are 2 reasons a longer geared setup are good for turboed cars (1.) is you hold boost longer in the gears (everyone pretty much knows this) and (2.) The longer gears allow you to make more power without grenading your tranny. Why?.. Because think of it like this. Think of your car as a 10 speed bike. Now in 1st gear on a bike it is really easy to get up to speed and you use alot more pressure on that smaller gear..Switch to the last gear and its effort less and climbing hills are a breeze with that bigger gear. (have you ever had your chain pop right off on first gear when you put too much load on it trying to go fast?..I have alot!.. Now try doing that on the last gear.. its impossible!.... This being said Yes, Your car will be slower with the longer gears n/a but throw on a turbo and it will take the abuse... That is why our cars can make 600hp on oem rebuilt trannys. I would definately get longer gearing for your 4g63 trannys!.. Especially a longer first gear, if it is possible. It's better all around!... The 420a also has this cool mod to get rid of torque steer. 2GNT.com - Equal_Length_Driveshafts

Oh and you're sadly misinformed on mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions, the Evo IV-IX have different 4g63t 7 bolts whose engines are flipped. (only the head is really changed but the flipped the engine)

 

[99gst214]

Looks like Shep offers an upgrade for an EVO III first gear.

"Option - $75 EVO III first gear and input shaft"

 

[fast420a83]

Um, you really don't know what you're talking about at all when it comes to 420as... The trans on them are absolute SHIT. Even on a good working trans with good synchros they shift like crap at high RPMs (ask Justin). No oem rebuild on those trans is going to hold 600hp...



Oh and you're sadly misinformed on mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions, the Evo IV-IX have different 4g63t 7 bolts whose engines are flipped. (only the head is really changed but the flipped the engine)

You obviously need your eyes checked Tikki.. I said the Evo 8 motors and up transmissions are on the same side as the 420a.. SEE.. (since you cant read) Image Detail for - Nick B. – Evo 8 Engine Tear Down | MKCPerformance.com – A Kansas ... and Finally You are the one thats misinformed about the 420a.. Do you own one?.. Your probably on the newbie site cause no one wants you on the other sites. You 4g63 guys think your above us, and you feel threatened that we are right on your heels. I would take my GS over a GST any day of the week!.. I read the threads and I am in awe about all the problems that you post with your cars!.. You tinker with your cars and dont know crap, and then the next thing you know is your on here begging for help. I'd say your cars are broke down more than running... and as far as 600hp on a 420a you can ask ZERO-DSM.. His car has over 600hp with just an upgraded clutch and driveshafts.. So get your facts straight!... I can tell you one car that has a crappy transmission though... A 2001 Ford Mustang v6 convertable

 

[WES_393]

No, tiki is correct. Once again you have no clue what you are talking about. The Evo 4-9 have the trans on that side, not just the 8-9. The engine in turbo DSM is mounted 180 from the engine in a 420a dsm or evo 4-9. For this reason, the only reasonable trans swap for a 4g63 DSM is early Evo transmissions. No, we shouldn't all go out and buy 420a DSMs just to have longer gears connected to a truly inferior engine. You think equal length half shafts is something only a 420a can do? . And you don't have problems with torque steer when you have an AWD car which already has equal length half shafts. The OP asked about a 1g trans and you somehow managed to drag Evos and 420as into the convo.

You think us 4g guys are arrogant, but you would get a lot less attitude if you QUIT POSTING BULLSHIT!

 

[bryanwheat]

You obviously need your eyes checked Tikki.. I said the Evo 8 motors and up transmissions are on the same side as the 420a.. SEE.. (since you cant read) Image Detail for - Nick B. – Evo 8 Engine Tear Down | MKCPerformance.com – A Kansas ... and Finally You are the one thats misinformed about the 420a.. Do you own one?.. Your probably on the newbie site cause no one wants you on the other sites. You 4g63 guys think your above us, and you feel threatened that we are right on your heels. I would take my GS over a GST any day of the week!.. I read the threads and I am in awe about all the problems that you post with your cars!.. You tinker with your cars and dont know crap, and then the next thing you know is your on here begging for help. I'd say your cars are broke down more than running... and as far as 600hp on a 420a you can ask ZERO-DSM.. His car has over 600hp with just an upgraded clutch and driveshafts.. So get your facts straight!... I can tell you one car that has a crappy transmission though... A 2001 Ford Mustang v6 convertable

Again with this shit. Why do you get so worked up when people mention anything bad about 420a cars. It has nothing to do with people thinking that they are better than anyone. It has everything to do with facts. Don't get all bent out of shape and start talking trash when you hear things on the internet that you don't like.

 

[fast420a83]

No, tiki is correct. Once again you have no clue what you are talking about. The Evo 4-9 have the trans on that side, not just the 8-9. The engine in turbo DSM is mounted 180 from the engine in a 420a dsm or evo 4-9. For this reason, the only reasonable trans swap for a 4g63 DSM is early Evo transmissions. No, we shouldn't all go out and buy 420a DSMs just to have longer gears connected to a truly inferior engine. You think equal length half shafts is something only a 420a can do? . And you don't have problems with torque steer when you have an AWD car which already has equal length half shafts. The OP asked about a 1g trans and you somehow managed to drag Evos and 420as into the convo.

You think us 4g guys are arrogant, but you would get a lot less attitude if you QUIT POSTING BULLSHIT!

Hey Wes, You still got that bumper?.. Again, What I said was true I just forgot about the evo 4-7 since there are JDM... and how do you think you can do a ELDS on a GST, without all custom stuff, and paying an arm and leg?.. and like I managed to bring the 420a facts to a 4g63 question. You are roaming the "newbie" forums cause your too dumb for the others!

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Fast420a83 whats your deal? If you love the 420a so much why dont you stay on the,420 side of the forum. I'm not against or in hatred of you and 420s but you dont know anything about the 4g cars. Your posting bs that you dont have no clue or knowledge about then getting mad when ppl call you out.

Only reason ppl are getting on you is because your spouting nonsense. You don't even know what your talking about in most of your posts. At least research s hit b4 you post. Hell wiki could have proved you wrong here.

I'm sure your a cool.dude and all but your quit temper and ill advised, ill knowledged posts are making you look stupid. Please bro, take time to.think.b4 posting.

MJ

 

[fast420a83]

Again with this shit. Why do you get so worked up when people mention anything bad about 420a cars. It has nothing to do with people thinking that they are better than anyone. It has everything to do with facts. Don't get all bent out of shape and start talking trash when you hear things on the internet that you don't like.

The FACTS are that its not better!.. It just needs a little more work!.. I hate all these newbies that just buy a gsx and automatically think they are the @#!T, and talk crap. It's getting old man!

 

[Ozone302]

Why not just change the diff gears? Or is that not possible in these cars? I know it's the #1 upgrade in the mustang community because I've owned a few. Much easier than pulling a tranny apart, too.

 

[fast420a83]

Fast420a83 whats your deal? If you love the 420a so much why dont you stay on the,420 side of the forum. I'm not against or in hatred of you and 420s but you dont know anything about the 4g cars. Your posting bs that you dont have no clue or knowledge about then getting mad when ppl call you out.

Only reason ppl are getting on you is because your spouting nonsense. You don't even know what your talking about in most of your posts. At least research s hit b4 you post. Hell wiki could have proved you wrong here.

I'm sure your a cool.dude and all but your quit temper and ill advised, ill knowledged posts are making you look stupid. Please bro, take time to.think.b4 posting.

MJ

I can't because I am still considered a "newbie", or I would. They really need to make a newbie 420a and newbie 4g63 section.

Why not just change the diff gears? Or is that not possible in these cars? I know it's the #1 upgrade in the mustang community because I've owned a few. Much easier than pulling a tranny apart, too.

Thats only cause they have a rear diff. We don't.. Well the gsx might.

 

[bryanwheat]

The FACTS are that its not better!.. It just needs a little more work!.. I hate all these newbies that just buy a gsx and automatically think they are the @#!T, and talk crap. It's getting old man!

It isn't shit talking if it is true. You are comprehending things the wrong way and getting mad because it isn't what you want to hear.

 

[JusMX141]

This thread was answered after post #2....everything else is unnecessary B.S. about a platform which doesn't even apply to the OP's question whatsoever.

If you want to talk 420A's, do so in a thread where the tech question actually applies to a 420A, or start your own thread in the 420A bolt-on forum where even Probationary members have access and posting permissions.

 

[bryanwheat]

I can't because I am still considered a "newbie", or I would. They really need to make a newbie 420a and newbie 4g63 section.



Thats only cause they have a rear diff. We don't.. Well the gsx might.

Fwd and awd cars both have differentials. The ring gears are removable on both which would make changing the gears out very easy on a fwd or awd car if they were readily available.