Junkyard 4g63?

[c0reyl]

Okay so I have a 93 Eclipse GS with a 4g37 1.8L piece of garbage in it.

Thing is, I have no experience junkyard pulling, but I want to get this car running, but I want to do a GST conversion. Some research tells me that the F5M22 tranny I have now will bolt up to a 4g63 without too much difficulty and it's shorter geared as well, and will handlel up to 300 or so horses. MY tranny is fine but the engine blew years ago. I have a 97 Riviera I use currently as my daily driver:

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I like my Riv, but it's just too damn heavy and the wheelbase is retarded long, it's one of the most comfortable rides Iv'e ever been in though, but fuel mileage is going to shit, probably around 23mpg highway at the moment and maybe 15 in the city but I think that's because the car has 212k miles on it and the manifold is beyond dirty. I cleaned some thick sludge out of my throttle body not too long ago.

Anyway, my DSM, I want to drive some day, because A: way better mileage and B: I wanna drive a smaller, lighter faster car, and I want my car to be manual.

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This is the only pic I have of my eclipse on hand. Took out headlights to clean them and see if I could sand out the ridges from the inside out . I m ight just do an acrylic mold of the lenses at some point. After it blew, my mom had it sit for years. Tranny is fine and my step dad tells me the garbage 4g37 engine isn't even worth fixing. Car is in my name now

Anyway, how cheap can I get a working 4g63 and I'd need a six bolt?
Also I'm guessing I'd need a full wire harness as well.

And I'm interested in eventually doing a mild cam, and having an LSD put n the tranny if possible.

Anyone have any idea on the cost of a junkyard working 4g63 motor? Online I saw DSM gravyard sells used motors for a grand, would a junkyard be a better price?

 

[AK Maniak]

Any thing would be better than DSM graveyard please research the vendor before doing business with them. They are notorious for sucking ass.

 

[TSI_93]

DSM graveyard, Killing dsms for at least 6 years now.

 

[born2tune]

I understand your situation but at the same time i see you are talking about a bunch of goals at once. maybe try crossing one bridge at a time and you will see that everything will line up easier.
A working 4g63 in a junkyard is almost impossible. you have to understand 99% of cars ending in the junkyard is because it stopped working, usually the engine/trans gave up. so junkyard or not you will need to rebuild it anyways. no such thing as buying a working longblock for cheap either.

I also see that you are wanting to do the engine swap/trans swap but I see that you are not fully knowledgeable in it yet. So start studying the project, make a plan and in the meanwhile save money. dont jump the gun buying parts without knowing what you are going to get into because you might backout and loose all your money and time. again, one thing at a time!

 

[phil11]

Think of it like this, 1000 dollars for a used engine, or buy a new fully built one for around 2500 bucks. I'd rather have the new built one. It'll actually save you money in the long run.

 

[dsmcurse]

Foreign Engines

 

[Mischif]

If you want gas mileage fix the 1.8. Easy and super cheap to fix(as long as you didnt crack the block or brake a rod) if you do the work yourself. Probably just needs a head gasket.

If you want to go fast than 4g63 swap it. You'll need the engine, wiring harness, and ecu. The 1.8 drivetrain will bolt right up to the 4g63.

6 or 7 bolt doesn't matter which you get as long as its from a 1g. I would say stay away from everything from a 90 dsm, to avoid over complicating and confusion. As the 90 electrical differs from the 91-94.

 

[gorf]

Any thing would be better than DSM graveyard please research the vendor before doing business with them. They are notorious for sucking ass.

The OP was talking about pulling a motor from a junk yard NOT dsm graveyard!
I have used dsm graveyard for parts with no problems at all, don't know what your hard on is about.....

 

[WOTDSM]

The OP was talking about pulling a motor from a junk yard NOT dsm graveyard!

Online I saw DSM gravyard sells used motors for a grand, would a junkyard be a better price?

Anyways, I wouldn't trust a junkyard motor... Not worth the risk IMO. I had good luck with Dallas JDM Motors. JDM Engines & JDM Parts | JapanStarMotor.

I'm sure the other suggestions would be just fine too.

I would stay away from DSM Graveyard. Have heard three horror stories about their motors. I also bought parts from them that came busted. Obviously it's buyer beware so just make sure you buy from a reputable source!

 

[gorf]

Anyways, I wouldn't trust a junkyard motor... Not worth the risk IMO. I had good luck with Dallas JDM Motors. JDM Engines & JDM Parts | JapanStarMotor.

I'm sure the other suggestions would be just fine too.

I would stay away from DSM Graveyard. Have heard three horror stories about their motors. I also bought parts from them that came busted. Obviously it's buyer beware so just make sure you buy from a reputable source!

ooopps sorry didn't see that last line.

If looking for mileage and simplicity - rebuild the 1.8. If you want a performance car, look for a used running gsx. They go up for sale sometimes ridiculously cheap - keep your eyes open.

 

[DSM1G90]

the 4G37 to 4G63 takes a lot of work and money.

You need the turbo harness and ECU for the Turbo FWD federal for starters.

All the sensors related to the turbo setup is also required.

Also, the F5M22 tranny is geared higher due to the lower torque of the NT motor than the F5M33 tranny. Thus forget about mileage with the conversion also.

If you got a lot of green lining all of your pockets, go for it.

 

[c0reyl]

I don't get why so many people tell me to just throw away my perfectly good eclipse and get a used GSX to save money. I always see GSX's go for 9grand or more with ridiculous shit like 150k miles on it.. Are you telling me that I'll save more than 9grand by not doing a 4G63T swap? The 1.8L 4G37 is just garbage.

I don't understand why cars that are old like a 96 Eclipse GSX or RX7 sell for 9 grand when the engine will have 150k miles... It's retarded.

I've seen rx7s with a rebuilt engine go for 20 grand on ebay and they are nothing special unless you boost the hell out of them or do a v8 swap. A used import tuner car should never sell for as high as the same year corvette. It is beyond retarded.

 

[WES_393]

Where are you looking for DSM's? I bought my 90 TSi AWD in perfect condition with a 16g for $3k. My 2g TSi AWD rolling shell was $1k with a trunk full of aftermarket parts. $9k is the price for a flawless, well built, high power DSM. Not a stock one.

Thats why people are telling you to dump the 4g37. It's not as easy as swapping in a 4g63 engine. Your trans is too weak and geared wrong, your wiring harness won't work, you're ECU won't run a turbo engine, etc etc. For the price of all these things, you could easily find a good condition factory turbo 1g.

And on a side note, if you think an FD RX7 should be worth less than a Barbie Vette, your in the wrong hobby.

 

[Roberti 2G]

Look in the classifieds. Engines for sale all the time and gsx's too.

I havent had a problem with DSM graveyard but i only ordered timing belt cover bolts. I have herd and read some bad things though.

 

[Cdc1221]

Lmao @ barbie vette. No kidding. Most of those top end imports will eat a vette for breakfast, not just on the track, but in everything. Hell half the dsms on this site will too for that matter. Love it when everybody uses vettes as a comparison. Did anybody know that back in 83, the turbo z would spank a vette?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Doing a v8 swap on a fd is blasphemy. The 13b rotary is an awesome engine. Corvettes of the same year of the fd and dsms are slow turds. I beat them with t25 stock boost and would walk all over them with my 14b.

 

[WES_393]

Lmao @ barbie vette. No kidding. Most of those top end imports will eat a vette for breakfast, not just on the track, but in everything. Hell half the dsms on this site will too for that matter. Love it when everybody uses vettes as a comparison. Did anybody know that back in 83, the turbo z would spank a vette?

Could it be because they didn't make a Vette in 83?

 

[thomcasey]

I don't get why so many people tell me to just throw away my perfectly good eclipse and get a used GSX to save money. I always see GSX's go for 9grand or more with ridiculous shit like 150k miles on it.. Are you telling me that I'll save more than 9grand by not doing a 4G63T swap? The 1.8L 4G37 is just garbage.

I don't understand why cars that are old like a 96 Eclipse GSX or RX7 sell for 9 grand when the engine will have 150k miles... It's retarded.

I've seen rx7s with a rebuilt engine go for 20 grand on ebay and they are nothing special unless you boost the hell out of them or do a v8 swap. A used import tuner car should never sell for as high as the same year corvette. It is beyond retarded.

Just because they are selling for 9k, does not mean they will get it. Many sellers think that they should get the price for the mods and time. Basically, you put a good 10k into making a car perfect, you will get 5k for it. You could probably get a GS-t or GSX for the same cost as you would spend converting your car to a GS-T, but that does not matter if you want to do it. The list of parts in this post are good to get you there. I would advise to avoid JDM sites for motors. You never really know what you are going to get. Run through the classifieds here and find your parts.

 

[seejakob94]

WELL IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, A REPUTABLE SOURCE. I PERSONALY WENT TO A VERY REPUTABLE JUNKYARD, TALK TO THEM AND THEY HAD A PERFRECT MOTOR IN THE BACK SITTING ON A SHELF. THEY DID A LEAK DOWN AND REPLACED REAR MAIN SEAL. ALSO WHEN I GOT IT HOME FOUND OUT IT HAD A BRAND NEW HEAD, CAMS, THE WHOLE TOP END WAS REDONE. IT WAS MY BIGGEST SCORE IT RAN AMAZING AND PULLED HARD AS HELL BUT THAT WAS LUCKY AND I DONT KNOW IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. KEEP YOUR EYES OUT AND GOOD LUCK!! ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU CAN FIND GREAT DEALS OUT THERE ON 1G'S. HAVE FUN BOOSTING ONE DAY!

 

[Cdc1221]

Could it be because they didn't make a Vette in 83?

Ok so i despise gm products, but i remember reading that somewhere. Anywho, to the topic at hand...

Op, you have many choices. As always, money is the x factor. But you could do like a few and turbo that 37, or bore it out to a 2.0/2.1. Or go bigger with a 4g64. The next thing after making that decision is ditching that ratty transmission for a turbo 1g trans. Dont even waste the money on a lsd for it. If they even make one?? And of course, theres always the decision as to which ecu to get. Lot of factors there so i suggest reading.. alot, and make decisions based on what you want and not someone elses opinion.

 

[Calan]

WELL IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, A REPUTABLE SOURCE. I PERSONALY WENT TO A VERY REPUTABLE JUNKYARD, TALK TO THEM AND THEY HAD A PERFRECT MOTOR IN THE BACK SITTING ON A SHELF. THEY DID A LEAK DOWN AND REPLACED REAR MAIN SEAL. ALSO WHEN I GOT IT HOME FOUND OUT IT HAD A BRAND NEW HEAD, CAMS, THE WHOLE TOP END WAS REDONE. IT WAS MY BIGGEST SCORE IT RAN AMAZING AND PULLED HARD AS HELL BUT THAT WAS LUCKY AND I DONT KNOW IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. KEEP YOUR EYES OUT AND GOOD LUCK!! ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU CAN FIND GREAT DEALS OUT THERE ON 1G'S. HAVE FUN BOOSTING ONE DAY!

Please turn off the damn caps lock and stop yelling.

 

[NWHTanK]

Could it be because they didn't make a Vette in 83?

Actually they did around 60to80 of them . They were test beds and for emissions cars.Supposedly their is one left and it is in a museum. So they were were produced in alimited number but not sold to the public.

 

[n0de]

I don't get why so many people tell me to just throw away my perfectly good eclipse and get a used GSX to save money. I always see GSX's go for 9grand or more with ridiculous shit like 150k miles on it.. Are you telling me that I'll save more than 9grand by not doing a 4G63T swap? The 1.8L 4G37 is just garbage.

Bought the champagne car in my avatar for $1000 in August of this year, its a TSI AWD Auto from up north (some rust on the under the car), it came with the engine apart, and all i needed to do was put the head/turbo/misc parts on and time it, so i did and now its running.

Bought the Black car in my avatar for $1500 (5spd TSI AWD). No rust, 272 cams, 60 trim turbo, 255lph fuel pump, fuel lab fpr, 750cc injectors, 2g pistons, tubular manifold, etc...
Only issue was the trans has a crack in it and it wouldn't engage (had to turn the car off to shift into the next gear). So i pulled the trans, had the crack welded and a bracket fabed up to stabilize the trans.

Honestly between the two cars, I've maybe spent $3000, and that is the cost to purchase and repair them. Also one was bought in Illinois and the other in Florida within the last 3 months, so its not a regional thing.

In addition to that, I've also purchased a $1000 TSI AWD AUTO from Indiana that im going to pick up next weekend. It comes with a newly built 2.3L stroker w/forged internals (of course im going to tear it down to make sure the build is correct). I don't know where you are seeing these cars for $9k, i've been getting $1000 deals (or close to it) all day long over the last 3 months from different area's of the country.

I don't understand why cars that are old like a 96 Eclipse GSX or RX7 sell for 9 grand when the engine will have 150k miles... It's retarded.

I've seen rx7s with a rebuilt engine go for 20 grand on ebay and they are nothing special unless you boost the hell out of them or do a v8 swap. A used import tuner car should never sell for as high as the same year corvette. It is beyond retarded.

You have a first gen, so i would assume you would look for a 1g and not a 2g. 2gs go for 3-7k generally, 9k is on the high side unless you're looking for some silly crazy nice shit.

Rx7's are "collectable" and extremely rare. When was the last time you saw a rx7 just chillin' at your local Windixie or Jewel parking lot. You could kill a Supra with an Rx7 or at least be on equal footing, is it ok to compare it in pricing now? Supra's are probably one of the most insanely priced 90's cars I've ever seen. Its probably the only "tuner" car that costs just under or more than they did brand new. You could also take a Turbo E46 M3 and hang with a supra as well and the price to get you there will probably by similar.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

I bought a whole Summit sedan in a junk yard with a working 4G61 NA for $200, and ran that engine and transmission for years. It came with a remanufactured cylinder head.

Years later, when I wanted more power, I bought an unknown condition 4G63 NA from a different junkyard for $100. I had to do valve seals on it after the first year, but it had awesome oil pressure, and the only issue it ever had was the notorious lifter tick.

Several years after that (maybe five) I wanted even more power, so I bought a 4G63T that was in boxes for $200. The short block was intact and in decent enough condition to use, but the 13b that it came with was junk. I decided to build it with forged internals, but my point is, stuff doesn't cost as much as some people around here seem to think.

Find the 4g63 car you want in the junkyard and buy the engine, harness, and every other doodad that you need from it, and get yourself a package deal. A lot of times, if the car wasn't running when it came in, the yard will sell you the engine at core price. That doesn't mean the engine is shot; it often just means someone didn't know the ECU was bad, or they just didn't want to put a new (name random part) in a 20+ year old beater.

 

[jrohner]

If you're seeing GSX's for 9 grand, you must have been looking at least 5-6 years ago and not now.