2G Injector size to run mid 10's

[quarter]

lets just put it like this. blaha had a red on his 4g63 and ran a 10.5. thats 30psi on a turbo bigger than 3052. blaha is an amazing driver also. his car was not gutted however.

i hope that helps you understand why i laugh at everyone here saying they'll run 10's.

10's are hard.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

well i'm taking a lot of stuff i don't need, i also have a stripped interior.. with me in the car, i weighed in at 3180lbs

with my new wheels, suspension, etc.. i'm sure i can cut the weight down by another 20-30lbs.. plus when i'm at the track, the passenger seat will come out too...

i'm not saying to run 10's is easy.. i'm just saying i want to be there, and with pratice and tuning, I will. I thought the FP 3065 would get me into the 10's easily..just a matter of tuning..

 

[quarter]

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
well i'm taking a lot of stuff i don't need, i also have a stripped interior.. with me in the car, i weighed in at 3180lbs

with my new wheels, suspension, etc.. i'm sure i can cut the weight down by another 20-30lbs.. plus when i'm at the track, the passenger seat will come out too...

i'm not saying to run 10's is easy.. i'm just saying i want to be there, and with pratice and tuning, I will. I thought the FP 3065 would get me into the 10's easily..just a matter of tuning..

you'll still be heavier than blaha. 1g>2g again.

nothing will get you in 10's easy. 3065 realistically could though. 3052 wont. even if you went 3065, id still say 11's. 10's are so fucking hard noone understands.

3065 is bigger than a red, so if you went 3065 you better know what the hell youre doing. so with that said, i suggest 3052 or bust.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

I have to re-think the turbo I have now. My only thing is, I want the car to be streetable yet very quick. I know its going to be loud and suck up gas and have hours and hours of tuning involved.. but to have a street monster and show off all those muscle cars and tricked out imports, its worth going through all that.

I know 10's are harder then getting into the 11's, but it has been done. Maybe mid-low 10's are asking for a lot now, but even if I can run a mid-high 10, i'll be happy. Even if it takes me a month or two to get into the 10's, i'll have to see. Running 120-130mph trap times down the 1/4 mile is some serious power.. I'm just thinking if its something I can handle..

Being in an EVO 8, that runs 11.4's, that's some serious power! I just hate the fact that a cobra can pull away from that EVO on top end.. and the cobra still has a warranty from the dealer when doing so!

 

[quarter]

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
I want the car to be streetable yet very quick.

you fit in here at tuners then. the place where everyone wants 10's, streetable, and no lag.

i suggest a early 90's mustang.

 

[pneumo]

Streetable and quick? Believe it or not, that would be any solid 12 second car. With all the fast times posted on the DSMtimes page I think most people forget just how fast a mid 12 second 1/4 mile time really is. Really. Go out to your local track and just look at all the other 4 bangers out there doing 15's if they're lucky, look at all the V8 Mustangs doing 14's, all the Camaroes and Corvettes doing 13's. Sure there are cars out there going much faster, but those are the purpose built cars, cars built by guys who know what they're doing, and have been doing it for years. Want to join them? Well you're going to have to learn it the hard way, and it will take more than a few hours of tuning or a month or two of "trying".

Sorry to be so harsh on you, but that's the reality of it. Seriously, get your car into the 12's, then tell me your having trouble blowing the doors off anything you come across on the street.

 

[markgholland]

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
I have to re-think the turbo I have now. My only thing is, I want the car to be streetable yet very quick.

Yes, to achive 10's eventually, you may want to re-think your turbo. Any car can be driven on the street, but the question is, how much lag do you want to deal with?

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
I know its going to be loud and suck up gas and have hours and hours of tuning involved..

Why is it going to be loud and suck up gas? Aren't you running a full exhaust? If it's tuned right and you don't drive it like an idiot on the street, you shouldn't "suck gas."

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
but to have a street monster and show off all those muscle cars and tricked out imports, its worth going through all that.

This is the last reason that you should be trying to build a 10 second street car. Build a car for your own personal satisfaction, not to impress other people.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

i don't mind turbo lag.. i'm thinking of doing a small 35 shot to help spool up the turbo for the track..

maybe running 10's on the street might be too much, maybe 11's will be enough.

I don't mind turbo lag.. less wear on the motor and better gas mileage for day-to-day driving, right?

I'm already running a full 3" exhaust, no cat..

the only reason i said 10's is because my buddies evo 8 running 11.4's, still gets raped on the streets by cars... mostly by supercharged v8's

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
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the only reason i said 10's is because my buddies evo 8 running 11.4's, still gets raped on the streets by cars... mostly by supercharged v8's

So your buddy has the 2nd fastest EVO8 in the country?

http://www.dsmtimes.org Someone has run a 10.6x that isn't updated on there yet.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

I guess...he was sponsored by Ultimate Racing last season.

From what I remembered he has an upgraded clutch/flywheel, HKS 272/272 cams, upgraded turbo, bov, hard piping, intercooler, air filter, boost controller, apexi WS dampers..

I don't know him well to say a friend, but i consider him someone i know as i have hung out with him several times before..

 

[gsxstac]

that guy your talking about didnt run 11.4, on dsmtimes.org he is on there for 11.6 or11.7 or whatever.

and take this advice from someone that was where u are a year ago. last year my first time at the track i ran 12.7 in my 95 awd. so on my local dsm forum site i posted up "3 or 4 months from now i'll be in the 11's" cuz i thought it was a joke. so from april til october, i dumped thousands into the car and never ran better then my orignal 12.7@106 mph. best run after that was 12.8 at 96 mph and 13.0@115mph with 2.4 60ft cuz my 2100 was slippin bad off the line. you ran 13.8 and now your thinkin its a joke to go fast. BRO I RAN 12.7 1ST TIME OUT, I WAS 17 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME. I WAS TIHNKIN 11'S WILL BE A BREEZE.

11's are not easy either especially in a 2g. i weighed in at 3160 before my carbon fiber hood and with a system in the car. now i dont have any subs or bullshit. i'll be running a built motor/built head/full garret 60-1 setup/dsmlink/880cc injectors and blah blah and i'm hoping for 450 whp and mid 11's this summer. if i'm lucky maybe low 11's.

ONE 2G IS RUNNING 10'S ON DSMLINK AS FAR AS I KNOW AND ITS AN AUTOMATICE RACE CAR WIH FIBERGLASS FRONT END. IF YOU WANNA RUN 10'S CONSISTENTLY START THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE A FUEL CELL, -10 STAINLESS STEEL FUEL LINES, 960CC INJECTORS, AEM STANDALONE, PORTED, POLISHED HEAD WITH SPRINGS/RETAINER/CAMS AND OVERSIZED VALVES, 150 SHOT OF NITROUS. SO AFTER YOU SPEND 8,000$ ON THAT STUFF ADD ANOTHER 2000$ IN 10 DYNO TRIPS ITS GONNA TAKE YOU TO GET THE CAR TO MAKE OVER 500WHP. THEN ADD IN EITHER A NEW HEAD, BLOCK OR TRANNY BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BLOW AT LEAST ONCE. ALOS PLAN ON GUTTING YOUR CAR AND SCARPING OUT THE SOUND DEADINING MATERIAL, TAKING OUT UR SUNROOF GLASS, AND 20 OTHER THINGS ITS GONNA TAKE YOU TO RUN CONSISTEN 10'S.

i dont mean to sound harsh either but i was the jerkoff saying i was gonna run 11's last year and as i spent mroe money i went slower. i learned alot and this year it wont happen again. but i'd say you have a 99% chance of the following:

-never running 10's because it will cost you 30,000$
-not running 10's on that turbo, exhaust manifold, or injectors
-not running 10's because 2g's are tanks
-not running 10's because you dont wanna spend 1500$ on a real deal fuel system like cell, -10 lines, aermoitve fuel pump, filter, rail and reg

i coud keep going but you get the point,

O AND BY THE WAY IF YOUR "BOY" IS RUNNING 11.4 IN AN EVO8 HOW THE FUK IS HE GETTIN KILLED BUT ANY STREET CARS??? I LVIE IN NY AND I WAS RUNNING HIGH 12'S LAST YEAR AND I NEVER GOT BEAT ONCE ON THE STREET, INCLUDING A SUPERCHARGED SALEEN MUSTANG

 

[my97mitsGSX]

my friend with the cobra got him beat on the highway runs.. and yes he is running 11.47's right now. AWD is good on the launches, but awd starts to hold you back on starting from a roll or highway runs.. he runs 11.47 on a launch, but probably high 11's or low 12's without a launch.

maybe you just aren't as good as I am with driving. I've drove fast cars and i've ran them at the same times as someone who is driving them everyday. I'm not saying I'm the best driver, but I can drive. I didn't say i'm going to run 10's the next day or even the next month. I know people who run 10's in 2g's, quite a few and run race gas, no fuel cells or anything you mentioned.

instead of bitching and saying I can't, why not tell me what parts i need to get rid of and help a DSM'er out? This is why people hate posting on the boards, cuz of people not helping others out.

Obviously if i had the money to buy all my engine internals, I must be SERIOUS about getting into the 10's.. i already spent over 10k into the car and its not even together or tuned.. I already have my car stripped if you haven't read the above posts.

 

[gsxstac]

i'm not gonna aruge with u over driver skill, i got in my friends 95 gsx that i never drover before and ran 12.9 and 12.7 back to back when all day the best he ran is 13.5. i can def drive to the max bro, but 10's arent accomplished with a good driver, and i'm not knockin on ya and no one else either so dont try to dramatize this and make it look like we're givin u a hard time, but your makin it sound like its a joke to run 10's, then in the past couple posts your smartening up. 10k is nothing 1st off all. and you said consisten 10's. so if u dont wanna do a fuel cell, i guess your gonna max out a walbro 255hp??? if ur lucky. or do a cozmo pump which is like 400$ ??? i just told u parts u need. aem standalone is one, cuz ur prob not gonna run 10's on a stock 2g mass air flow sensor cuz ur gonna need to run 30 psi or more and that mass sensor cant read accurately that much air flow. lag is gonna be horrible and you need to shave off like 300 lbs so get on a diet and start cuttin shit out. 11's is not easy at all and 10's is ridiculously hard. people spend 40g's and have the car tuned by the best in the business and their cars still dont run 10's. u need standalone, better fuel system, bigger turbo, 300 lbs lighter, built head, including port and polish. that right there is like 5000$ plus tuning. if thats what u wanna hear good luck

 

[Mindslayer]

I just had to post on here. If your goal is 10's I hope for one last season you ran high to mid 11's. If you havn't been to the track or ran 12's start small. Running low 11's or 10's isn't just about mods it's about the driver. U need to go to the track and just test and tune and work on launching and shifting rather than time slips(IMO). And I know I had a goal of 11.9 in my gs-t with 6-bolt,cams, 60trim,FMIC etc etc and a LSD. But I didn't get there. Plus this was my daily driver when it was up and running. Like someone said you want to run 10's you better have spare heads and trannies. This year by the end of may I 'm buying a 90-92 AWD with and part car hopefully. And with AMS 60 trim, walboro, FMIC, and I think I'll go with the MAFT and STOCK MOTOR (til my built head is done)I want 450WHP on 93 p/g. It's crazy but realistic since I had 398 with my old setup in my GS-T go figure.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

i know the mas won't be good, i was wondering if the GM mas w/ translator would work along with DSM Link?

i probably won't care about timeslips this season.. but next season i want to be ready

 

[quarter]

Originally posted by my97mitsGSX
i know the mas won't be good, i was wondering if the GM mas w/ translator would work along with DSM Link?

how do you expect to run 10's without knowing these no0bie things?

 

[my97mitsGSX]

by asking questions?

 

[quarter]

or researching...

asking questions like that after arguing you're going to run 10's is just asking to get flamed.

 

[2gtsifwd]

"i know the mas won't be good, i was wondering if the GM mas w/ translator would work along with DSM Link."

So you think you can run 10's with the stock mas.

 

[my97mitsGSX]

not the stock one

the gm one that you put between the intercooler/tb

 

[quarter]

stock 2g mas will go 10's fine. shit, the fastest 4g63 with stock internals uses a 1g mas.

 

[2gtsifwd]

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