I want to see proof that Ksports, Teins, D2's, and Megan Racing coilovers are the sam

[talonDSMerr]

What options do 1g awd guys have for the rears in regards to Koni discontinuing their shocks?

 

[underradar92]

It's been said that 2g rears can be made to work, particularly if they are installed using some sort of adjustable spring setup, i.e. Ground Control.

 

[Ludachris]

What options do 1g awd guys have for the rears in regards to Koni discontinuing their shocks?

Yeah, as Jim said, the Koni rears for a 2g should work, though I haven't personally tested it. If you find the thread though, I'm pretty sure the theory was tested. And I believe the 2g rears have larger shafts than the ones that were made for the 1g.

 

[talonDSMerr]

I'm leaning towards trying the 2g rears on the 1g awd. I found the galantvr4 thread talking about it but there isn't much information on what was required to make them work. Would anybody be able to provide pictures or measurements of the 2g rear shocks comparing them to 1g awd rears before I place an order?

 

[flyineagletsi]

Half the people here haven't read DG's blog.

Agreed, in his suspension reviews, Dennis basically says that every suspension listed in this thread are complete junk. Which is basically the reason why I still have yet to tackle the suspension. Honestly I would trust a track veteran who builds/dynos struts for a accurate review rather than Joe Schmo who compared the said coilovers to their previous Ebay setup. I'm not touching my suspension until I have the funding and resources to do it correct.

Straight off of his website.....
Shock Buyer's Guide

Remember this list:

Bilstein
Penske
Koni
Ohlins
Sachs
Dynamic Suspension

Not on this list? Almost certainly crap.

(The reason why JRZ and Moton aren't on the "good" list is simple - I never dynoed any. In the absence of any dyno information one way or the other, I choose to remain silent.)

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I do road-race, auto-x etc so it isn't entirely for street use, I'm just trying to get the most out of what I have since I can't afford something better. I had Muellerized JIC's on my old Evo and did not like them one bit, I was so pissed I paid $2,600 for them.. The front right one blew within 2 months and they wanted $600 to fix it, and that was only with one autox event and one canyon drive and I wasn't even pushing the car.. Then I had a buddy whos JIC coilover lower mount on the rear completely broke off the shock body, he posted it on NASIOC and I guess a few people had the same problem.

 

[Ludachris]

I do road-race, auto-x etc so it isn't entirely for street use, I'm just trying to get the most out of what I have since I can't afford something better. I had Muellerized JIC's on my old Evo and did not like them one bit, I was so pissed I paid $2,600 for them.. The front right one blew within 2 months and they wanted $600 to fix it, and that was only with one autox event and one canyon drive and I wasn't even pushing the car.. Then I had a buddy whos JIC coilover lower mount on the rear completely broke off the shock body, he posted it on NASIOC and I guess a few people had the same problem.

I'd probably lean towards Hot Bits for a 1g, but Muellerized JIC's would be my next choice. I'm trying to get Robispec to modify some KW Variant 3's for the Evo and adapt them to the 1g. I really like the KW stuff, having driven some BMWs with KW coilovers.

Always love hearing about a DSMer autocrossing!

 

[1990AWD]

I'm leaning towards trying the 2g rears on the 1g awd. I found the galantvr4 thread talking about it but there isn't much information on what was required to make them work. Would anybody be able to provide pictures or measurements of the 2g rear shocks comparing them to 1g awd rears before I place an order?

+1 does anyone have the specs?

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I'd probably lean towards Hot Bits for a 1g, but Muellerized JIC's would be my next choice. I'm trying to get Robispec to modify some KW Variant 3's for the Evo and adapt them to the 1g. I really like the KW stuff, having driven some BMWs with KW coilovers.

Always love hearing about a DSMer autocrossing!

Rear Evo coilovers fit in the back of a 1G, the lower mount in the front is a little bigger on an Evo and the bolts at the top don't line up. I was gonna try and use my old JIC's from my Evo on my 1G but ended up just selling them..

And yeah I'm glad I'm more into technical driving than going in a straight line.. For some reason you seem to break more parts going in a straight line as well.. Lol

 

[Ludachris]

Rear Evo coilovers fit in the back of a 1G, the lower mount in the front is a little bigger on an Evo and the bolts at the top don't line up. I was gonna try and use my old JIC's from my Evo on my 1G but ended up just selling them..

And yeah I'm glad I'm more into technical driving than going in a straight line.. For some reason you seem to break more parts going in a straight line as well.. Lol

Yeah, the Evo coilovers aren't a bolt-on affair up front, that's why I'm trying to get Robi to adapt them. He's very close to being finished with a prototype, but having seen very little response in his group buy thread in the Vendor forum, I don't know if he's going to make a batch or not.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Yeah, the Evo coilovers aren't a bolt-on affair up front, that's why I'm trying to get Robi to adapt them. He's very close to being finished with a prototype, but having seen very little response in his group buy thread in the Vendor forum, I don't know if he's going to make a batch or not.

Yeah I wish people showed more interested in them.. I really would like to buy a good coilover down the line but the options for a 1G are very limited and I wish I would have seen the group buy before I bought my Megans but I got them for a VERY good deal so I'm just gonna try and make the best out of them for now.
I've been thinking about changing the springs to some Hypercoils since a lot of people complain the spring rates aren't the same all the way around but I'm not sure what spring rate I would go with.
Also thanks to Kris, I've found some very nice adjustable rear control arms I plan on going with 3SX Adjustable Control Arms - AWD Twin Turbo Camber - Mitsubishi 3000GT / Dodge Stealth Parts
It says for a 3kGT/Stealth OR GVR4 so you already know haha

 

[cagleje]

I'd probably lean towards Hot Bits for a 1g, but Muellerized JIC's would be my next choice. I'm trying to get Robispec to modify some KW Variant 3's for the Evo and adapt them to the 1g. I really like the KW stuff, having driven some BMWs with KW coilovers.

Always love hearing about a DSMer autocrossing!

If he does make those I will be all over that. I've driven a couple of Evo's/STI's with KW V3 and love how they handle on the track and feel on the streets. If that doesn't happen that I'm saving up for some Hotbits for the GVR-4. I autox and am trying to get the Galant ready for track events. VIR is not that far from me and is by far one of best tracks I've been too.

 

[Ludachris]

If he does make those I will be all over that. I've driven a couple of Evo's/STI's with KW V3 and love how they handle on the track and feel on the streets. If that doesn't happen that I'm saving up for some Hotbits for the GVR-4. I autox and am trying to get the Galant ready for track events. VIR is not that far from me and is by far one of best tracks I've been too.

He's trying to gather deposits right now:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/vendor-announcements/391836-robispec-kw-variant-3-1g.html

Call him and let him know you're interested.

 

[talonDSMerr]

+1 does anyone have the specs?

I ordered a set of 2g konis for the rear and have an old 1g awd rear strut to compare to. I should be getting the Konis this afternoon and will be doing some photoshoots and measurements.

 

[tragdor]

I ordered a set of 2g konis for the rear and have an old 1g awd rear strut to compare to. I should be getting the Konis this afternoon and will be doing some photoshoots and measurements.

Thank you for doing this. I would really like to see pictures of everything.

 

[ACM]

Have you compared the motion ratio of the 2G to the 1G ?

If there's a substantial difference between the two, a 2G Koni won't help you unless you plan on revalving it.

 

[talonDSMerr]

Have you compared the motion ratio of the 2G to the 1G ?

If there's a substantial difference between the two, a 2G Koni won't help you unless you plan on revalving it.

Thanks for bringing that up. Do you have a motion ratio for the 2g rears? I will only be able to measure the ratio for a 1g.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I know someone that tried 2G Koni Yellows in the rear and the ride was super stiff no matter what dampening was chosen.. I honestly have no idea why they discontinued the rears for our cars..

 

[talonDSMerr]

What springs/rates was he running with them, do you know?

 

[ACM]

Thanks for bringing that up. Do you have a motion ratio for the 2g rears? I will only be able to measure the ratio for a 1g.

At stock ride height it is .91, falling to .85 at 2" compression.

 

[talonDSMerr]

At stock ride height it is .91, falling to .85 at 2" compression.

Thanks. I'll be measuring mine when I have the time. A quick search shows that the 1g rears have a motion ratio of about 0.84.

Here's a quick picture of the 2g Koni rears next to a 1g awd rear shock.

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You can tell the perch on the Koni is higher than on the 1g. I need to head out now, I'll do a little more investigating when I get the chance. You can't really tell in that picture, but the 2g Koni looks like its a hair more than an inch shorter.

I guess we are getting a little off topic and maybe should start a new thread too..

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Agreed^ Lol

 

[hypergenesis]

I said exactly the opposite about Megan Racing... And I never hear of anyone except Subie guys running Teins, if you did a poll on what coilovers people have I guarantee you more Megan Racing would shop up over Teins. I'm not saying Teins are bad, just telling you what I can see from research..

And has anyone put Hypercoil springs on their Megan Racing coilovers? I've been thinking about switching out the springs for Hypercoils since they're only about $50 each.

The reason the poll would show more towards Megan Racing is because the only time a DSM is going to need suspension thats to that degree of Tein is if they are doing Autocross. Megan Racing is a cheaper way of getting coilovers since no one here really needs that kind of suspension. Check any other drift specced car where suspension is one of the biggest things and a good portion of the time they are going to be run on Tein

 

[ACM]

To bring this back on topic, you need to think about the time and effort required to build and test suspension kits for all the cars that the various suppliers list. This takes time, people, and vehicles. There is NO WAY such development can be accomplished with an end price of $500, $1,000, even $1,500 for cars with such a low volume as DSMs - 1Gs and/or 2Gs. Not possible, unless you're one guy, doing nothing but DSMs - and probably living in Tibet. With a camel.

The way the sub-$2k offerings come into being is by obtaining OTS parts and copying them dimensionally, using internet data to determine corner weights and a valving spreadsheet cribbed from Ohlins or similar to approximate what might be appropriate. I'm not convinced they even spend that much effort - anyone who tried the first iteration of 2G AGXs will know where I'm coming from ! And that's Kayaba - they're a huge suspension company, they make Ohlins look like a corner store.

It sucks compared to pony cars, but we have to pay. There simply isn't the volume to justify the investment. DG developed an entire 2G quality setup, and...nothing. Hardly anyone pony'd [sic] up. Ludachris is fighting to get a KW Evo setup reconfigured for 1Gs, and...nothing.

You can't get decent suspension for less than $3k, period, end of story.

When people are buying Chinese Evo III turbos to save $100 - what message is that sending to vendors who want to offer a quality product ? That's why we have, for the most part, crap suspension. Ask any vendor - we're all cheapskates.

 

[Ludachris]

^

What he said. That's why I'm sitting here shaking my head when reading a discussion focused on finding out which is the best of the crappy coilovers made for our cars. I know not everyone needs racing coilovers, but even the guys who track their DSMs tend to cut corners and use the cheap shit.

If you're gonna buy cheap coilovers, know that they're all basically the same. There is very little difference in anything out there that's less than $2500. Just go with whatever you get the best deal on, or whatever looks nicer. The fact that you're buying a cheap coilover setup shows that you're not that serious about real handling or quality, why split hairs over which one is less crappy?

As far as Tein goes, I think they simply are popular because the whole JDM/drift fad. They're better than lowering springs, but I don't know that they're all that great for handling, regardless of how many adjustment levels they have. I'd still choose Koni/GC over them if I wanted an autox/road course setup.