I want to see proof that Ksports, Teins, D2's, and Megan Racing coilovers are the sam

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Well I've been doing a lot of research on here because I just purchased Megan Racing coilovers for my 1G and I'm seeing a lot of people say they're all made in the same factory and are all the same thing yet no one seems to have proof to back this up.. If that were the case, wouldn't the designs of the coilovers all be the same? Wouldn't the spring rates be the same? There are so many different variations between all the coilovers in design that I kind of want to call BS without actual proof of them all being the same.
Also, I am very excited to get my Megan Racing coilovers on I've heard nothing but good things about them. I'm currently running AGX's and I HATE how stiff they are, the dampening adjustment sucks, and they just suck IMO..

 

[phunny]

Well I've been doing a lot of research on here because I just purchased Megan Racing coilovers for my 1G and I'm seeing a lot of people say they're all made in the same factory and are all the same thing yet no one seems to have proof to back this up.. If that were the case, wouldn't the designs of the coilovers all be the same? Wouldn't the spring rates be the same? There are so many different variations between all the coilovers in design that I kind of want to call BS without actual proof of them all being the same.
Also, I am very excited to get my Megan Racing coilovers on I've heard nothing but good things about them. I'm currently running AGX's and I HATE how stiff they are, the dampening adjustment sucks, and they just suck IMO..

I don't think anyone will come up with proof, unless you consider hear-say and "### it iz", proof . Normally it's the guys that buy the cheap part and then say they're all the same.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I don't think anyone will come up with proof, unless you consider hear-say and "### it iz", proof . Normally it's the guys that buy the cheap part and then say they're all the same.

Same thing I've noticed as well, and I've tested all the coilovers and they all feel completely different than that of the other etc.. In my book it goes:

1. Megan Racing Coilovers
2. Tein Coilovers
3. Ksport Coilovers
4. D2 Coilovers

The D2 ride like absolute JUNK, the Ksports I don't like being lowered much or they blown within less than a year, the Teins are really hard to get dialed in but work for what you need them to do, then haven't heard of any complaints on Megans for a 1G except people say the spring rates etc aren't the same.. But where is all this proof?? I read about all this stuff but no one seems to back up what they talk of..

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

KSport - D2 = Same Product
Megan - Manufactured by BC. They make them a separate line from their own BR offerings
Tein is made for them by the same company that's been making them for years. They are not the same company that makes any of the others listed above.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

KSport - D2 = Same Product
Megan - Manufactured by BC. They make them a separate line from their own BR offerings
Tein is made for them by the same company that's been making them for years. They are not the same company that makes any of the others listed above.

How sure are you on that?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

How sure are you on that?

Not at all. Clearly, he's made it up. All of it.

I know you want "proof" but it almost seems like you're on a witch hunt. I have seen Marti's statements made by other vendors in the past, if it helps at all.

 

[phunny]

I say we burn them, burn them all

 

[hypergenesis]

Uhh from what I know Megan Racing is not as good as Tein as far as suspension goes. As for other cars most people swear to the fact that Megan isn't that great of a brand quality wise.

 

[Flash]

How sure are you on that?

He sells them, he's always around the product. That's credible enough for me.

 

[Ludachris]

He sells them, he's always around the product. That's credible enough for me.

And Marti tends to know about suspension as well, which if you read over his posts, you'll likely trust him a little more in that department. I know he's worked on more than a few road race cars.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Awesome, I DD my car and do occasional autox and road race events so I'm hoping these work ok for what I need them to do. I have front and rear strut tower bars and will also be running RM front and rear sways as well as all poly bushings. Does anyone know if there is a way to convert/have the street series coilover converted into the race? Would it require changing just the dampener? Or the spring? Or both.

 

[e85_4g63]

So say someone is in the market for a decent coilover setup (Marti). What would you recommend? Megan's, KSport Pro's, D2's, etc.? (1g FWD and AWD). Also, your personal vote for a drag coil over setup for a 1g FWD that see's little street use (under 4K miles a year at best).

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

So say someone is in the market for a decent coilover setup (Marti). What would you recommend? Megan's, KSport Pro's, D2's, etc.? (1g FWD and AWD). Also, your personal vote for a drag coil over setup for a 1g FWD that see's little street use (under 4K miles a year at best).

Many people run Koni Yellows/GC Sleeves for drag. I would go with Megans IMO if your looking for a cheap coilover that will get the job done. I've been doing A LOT of research on the Megan Racing coilovers and they are very well designed and have A LOT of adjustability. Also, you raise and lower your height by the shock body instead of the perches so you don't lose suspension travel.

 

[hypergenesis]

Many people run Koni Yellows/GC Sleeves for drag. I would go with Megans IMO if your looking for a cheap coilover that will get the job done. I've been doing A LOT of research on the Megan Racing coilovers and they are very well designed and have A LOT of adjustability. Also, you raise and lower your height by the shock body instead of the perches so you don't lose suspension travel.

Not to sound like I am flamming but from your posts you seem to be very biased towards Megan Racing from the way it sounds from what you have said Megan Racing is the cheapest, best, most adjustable, tightest suspension from the other 4 you brought up.

 

[cantgo2fast]

Tein is made by an independent company, I would trust marti on the rest of those associations because he sells the product. Dont forget tein has three off the shelf coilover suspensions and you can custom order anything you want basically if you've got the money.

 

[hypergenesis]

Tein is made by an independent company, I would trust marti on the rest of those associations because he sells the product. Dont forget tein has three off the shelf coilover suspensions and you can custom order anything you want basically if you've got the money.

Im not saying his judgement is wrong but to jump to a conclusion that one companies coilover is utterly better than another which is used far more in Drift/Auto Cross racings


EDIT:
Also I trust the word of vendors and forum members on here about DSM's more than I trust people I meet, I know for a fact every forum member is knowledgeable and informative in their own way

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

Not to sound like I am flamming but from your posts you seem to be very biased towards Megan Racing from the way it sounds from what you have said Megan Racing is the cheapest, best, most adjustable, tightest suspension from the other 4 you brought up.

I said exactly the opposite about Megan Racing... And I never hear of anyone except Subie guys running Teins, if you did a poll on what coilovers people have I guarantee you more Megan Racing would shop up over Teins. I'm not saying Teins are bad, just telling you what I can see from research..

And has anyone put Hypercoil springs on their Megan Racing coilovers? I've been thinking about switching out the springs for Hypercoils since they're only about $50 each.

 

[talonDSMerr]

And I never hear of anyone except Subie guys running Teins, if you did a poll on what coilovers people have I guarantee you more Megan Racing would shop up over Teins. I'm not saying Teins are bad, just telling you what I can see from research..

I think the fact more people run Megan coilovers is because they are a fraction of the cost of TEIN...

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I think the fact more people run Megan coilovers is because they are a fraction of the cost of TEIN...

Not necessarily.. They're about $400-$500 more, but the sad part is you can't even tell a difference between that $400-$500 more you spend on the Teins.

 

[Sam@RRE]

As far as Megan, they are made by a Taiwanese Manufacturer, BC. Tein are on their own and different from the rest. Cant say much for Ksport.
I've personally set up several 2G's on Megans and must say they are pretty good for the price. Only complaint is I wish the spring rates that came on them were a little lower, 12K Ft and 8K Rear is a bit rough for a street driven car IMHO. But aside from that, the cars I've set up, I can push pretty hard in corners and it follows where I want it to go, easily, and predictably. I can get the car to step out and slide around a corner, then control the cars pitch with just throttle/brake. This all on a car without aftermarket sway bars. So it says a bit about how high the spring rates are.
I personally run Mueller's re-valved JIC's, with the O-G RRE rear sway bar (more of a torsion bar )

 

[talonDSMerr]

Not necessarily.. They're about $400-$500 more, but the sad part is you can't even tell a difference between that $400-$500 more you spend on the Teins.

That's probably because they haven't been properly tuned. Rarely can you bolt on aftermarket suspension parts and expect them to perform to their best ability. I'm by no means a suspension tuning expert, but I know suspension is much more unique, car-to-car, than any other component, save for the ECU.

I feel like the DSM community has a lot more 'experts' in turbocharger matching, camshaft selection, etc. than suspension because the majority of this community is into drag racing, maybe inherently because the stock suspension setups aren't that great to begin with. We have a lot of people with the know-how on how to squeeze out every horsepower through tuning ignition timing, air-fuel ratios, etc., but maybe just a handful that know how to match proper camber, spring rates, etc., on a suspension setup so that cornering is neutral for individual needs.

I believe TEIN's EDFC allows for this sort of tuning, and thus, why they are priced $400-$500 more than Megans.

 

[Ludachris]

Does it really matter? All of the coilovers mentioned are very similar, even if they're not built by the same company. If you're going to buy a cheap coilover (> $2000) then the decision is likely going to be heavily based on cost, not performance anyway. A Koni/Ground Control setup would yield better performance in most cases due to the quality of the shock, even though it's a less elegant looking package and doesn't have 50 levels of adjustment. But if you're just looking for a cheap full coilover for the street, and are buying into the 20-way adjustment hype, any of those would likely work just fine. Pick the one you think looks best

 

[BeatupVR4]

Does it really matter? All of the coilovers mentioned are very similar, even if they're not built by the same company. If you're going to buy a cheap coilover (> $2000) then the decision is likely going to be heavily based on cost, not performance anyway. A Koni/Ground Control setup would yield better performance in most cases due to the quality of the shock, even though it's a less elegant looking package and doesn't have 50 levels of adjustment. But if you're just looking for a cheap full coilover for the street, and are buying into the 20-way adjustment hype, any of those would likely work just fine. Pick the one you think looks best

+1

Also why I have Koni's and GC's on my 2G.

 

[Sam@RRE]

Half the people here haven't read DG's blog. Also in the end, the driver will have more of an impact on how fast the car is than suspension will. I'll tell you now, put me against our driver Tallini against each other TA style in the same car, over several cars (my car, shop evo, shop 4G, just some regular camry bucket) with cool down time between, he will kick my ass by a huge margin. Also, setup plays a huge role, more than the actual Manufacturer/brand. Half the guys out there with expensive setups don't know what they are doing with it. Like they guys with GT35R turbos with no tuning making 300whp, but in the right hands, a 16G will do 400whp (did one last week). And also how its set up depends on the driver, I prefer the car to have more predictable oversteer tendencies.

 

[Ludachris]

Half the people here haven't read DG's blog. Also in the end, the driver will have more of an impact on how fast the car is than suspension will. I'll tell you now, put me against our driver Tallini against each other TA style in the same car, over several cars (my car, shop evo, shop 4G, just some regular camry bucket) with cool down time between, he will kick my ass by a huge margin. Also, setup plays a huge role, more than the actual Manufacturer/brand. Half the guys out there with expensive setups don't know what they are doing with it. Like they guys with GT35R turbos with no tuning making 300whp, but in the right hands, a 16G will do 400whp (did one last week). And also how its set up depends on the driver, I prefer the car to have more predictable oversteer tendencies.

My man Sam, you sound like you've been out to the track a few times

The thing is, I doubt that more than a few of the people discussing these "cheap" coilovers are even really interested in a true performance suspension. They likely just want to be able to lower their car and have a sporty ride. And there's nothing wrong with that, but trying to figure out which of the cheap coilovers is "better" is like splitting hairs. The differences are almost certainly marginal. Go with whatever you get the best deal on and you'll probably be happy. If you want something good and cheap, go with some Konis/GC. If you want something really good and are serious about real handling, start saving up for a $2k plus set. And invest in some driver training - I suggest NASA HPDE.