I want BIG brakes I MEAN BIG

[gsxeclipsed]

HEy guys i was thinking that this could work i want 2 get big brakes for my car cuz i want to start in the auto-x scene. I was wondering if i could just buy and brake rotor that will fit the hub and then get a bracket fabbed up for it?? cuz i want to go with 6 pistons in front and four in the rear. i havent seen any 4 piston rear brakes yet. U think it would work??

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

They make your car slower

explain

 

[gsxeclipsed]

i think his logic behind this is the fact that they increase unsprung mass and thats more mass to turn to get started. maybe

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

its like a pound or two more....

 

[TurboGarageTech]

Bottom line compared to the TCE kits the OE rear brakes are dogshit.

Come on now, I want to know where I said the OEM brakes were just as good as the TCE setup. Obviously the TCE setup is a superior braking system.

You get more even pad wear than the stock calipers, longer pad change intervals, better pad selection, less fade etc.. There are quite a few things they improve... Most people dont need them... But most people really only Need to drive a ford focus or something... I would'nt turn them down.. I would'nt buy them unless I had some worn out rear oe already and some extra $ that month.

That's great, but it still doesn't change the fact that the rears really aren't doing a hell of a lot anyway when paired with large fronts. Considering the only rear kit Todd offers for the 2G is $830, you can change a lot of pads for that. If there is any handling-under-braking imbalance as a result of not upgrading the rears, I stand by my assertion that most (if not all) of it could be corrected with suspension tuning.

The only reason I'm playing devil's advocate in this (because I'm not an idiot, I do know the bigger rears offer some advantage over OEM, especially with our wondrous solid rotors MMC saw fit to gift us with) is because there's no way this guy needs big rears for what he wants to do. The only cars I can even see justifying it on are full-out trailer queen track cars. He'd be much better off putting that $830 elsewhere.

 

[TurboGarageTech]

They make your car slower

Wow, that was a useful post. You could at least include 5 seconds worth of explanation with your opinion.

 

[gsxeclipsed]

well i reallt like all response i got from this but, the fact is that i will get these rear eventually after my car is done and i have to spend money on tires (prolly way to often ) and race gas. Thats when i would get these brakes.

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

IMO you sh ould wait for the whole brake upgrade until then...your motor is far from race gas or tire needin....just grab some drilled rotors same size as oem and pads...youll be fine

 

[TurboGarageTech]

Is there a single good reason he would want drilled rotors? If you're going to get anything, get slotted ones. Although plain rotors with quality pads and a good bleed would be more than enough for your current power level, even for auto-x.

 

[Tomeek]

upgrade the frond, and try to somehow fit the stock frond rotors in the back ! I seriously have no idea about brakes YET! but after hearing all this bs and criyng about being a ricer, i had enough! FYI Bigger breaks mean more safety, and also if he has the $$$ to spend on his car, and like he said he will upgrade the engine, then start with safety first, otherwise you might be sorry! or more... so stop posting BS post like, they make you slower w/o explanation!

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

Is there a single good reason he would want drilled rotors? If you're going to get anything, get slotted ones. Although plain rotors with quality pads and a good bleed would be more than enough for your current power level, even for auto-x.

i was gonna type slotted, but im partial to drilled just cause i had them, both offer the same heat dissapating features, but the drilled are prone to cracking...

i agree with the plain rotor idea, but it would satisfy his Ricer i wanna look good part

 

[MNGSX]

Come on now, I want to know where I said the OEM brakes were just as good as the TCE setup. Obviously the TCE setup is a superior braking system.



That's great, but it still doesn't change the fact that the rears really aren't doing a hell of a lot anyway when paired with large fronts. Considering the only rear kit Todd offers for the 2G is $830, you can change a lot of pads for that. If there is any handling-under-braking imbalance as a result of not upgrading the rears, I stand by my assertion that most (if not all) of it could be corrected with suspension tuning.

The only reason I'm playing devil's advocate in this (because I'm not an idiot, I do know the bigger rears offer some advantage over OEM, especially with our wondrous solid rotors MMC saw fit to gift us with) is because there's no way this guy needs big rears for what he wants to do. The only cars I can even see justifying it on are full-out trailer queen track cars. He'd be much better off putting that $830 elsewhere.

I agree but I just dont see saying there is no market or use for the rear kits at all.. Which you did'nt but others did...


I also meant that the HQ of the kit makes stock hardware look like scrap iron.

 

[miteclgst]

The people who are saying that he shouldn't get something because he dosn't absolutely need is are hypocrits. How many people on this site needed an UPGRADED turbo? Cams? O2 housing? 300whp?...... If he would like to stop faster or up his brakes for his own personal reasons then why tell him to do differently? Stopping quick is a modification that is good whether its a McClarin F1 or a Ford Festiva. Anything that dosn't follow the mainstream on this site is persecuted. Point him in the right direction to find a product that would best suit his needs. The thread is titled "I want BIG brakes I MEAN BIG" not "Hey I'm looking for you input on a brake upgrade". A car should be done as a whole, what good is 500 hp if it takes you a quarter mile to stop? However he plans his upgrades are his business. How many people got a turbo without having every other supporting mod? We get things when we have the money and interest to get them, this does not necessarily mean we do it in the right order.

 

[gsxeclipsed]

I like this reply cuz he is right. I like the input i got from some and im sure he knows what its like to be called a ricer cuz hes got a body kit.( that looks TIGHT ) thank you for understanding and im sorry when this pisses people off that i said it but bring it on,

 

[TurboGarageTech]

Point him in the right direction to find a product that would best suit his needs.

Way to read, dude.

Todd@TCE a.k.a. www.tceperformanceproducts.com. If you're looking for the best performance/cost, he's your man.

My first post, telling him exactly what the best product is to suit his needs.

How many people on this site needed an UPGRADED turbo? Cams? O2 housing? 300whp?......

You're missing the point entirely. I said he doesn't NEED huge rear brakes for what he said he wanted to do - Auto-X. He'll never notice the questionable gains from rear brakes unless he's pushing his car a lot harder than he indicates he's going to. Plus, it's a lot of money for those questionable gains.

An upgraded turbo (for instance, an EVOIII16g) is cheaper, and provides MUCH more visceral reward for the money.

Anything that dosn't follow the mainstream on this site is persecuted.

That's because 90% of the posts are half-literate and poorly phrased crap containing questions that could be answered in 5 seconds with a search. And it has nothing to do with "not following the mainstream." I feel that he could get more enjoyment for his $830 than big rear brakes. But it's his money, if he must have big rear brakes, I gave him a great place to buy some

I'll agree that there's a bunch of people in this thread just flaming and calling him retarded, but that's not me.

He said:

The reason i wanted to go bigger in the rears is that i read somewhere that becuase my car is awd it is more likely to step the rear out and the bigger rear brakes would help stop that.

Therefore he was operating under the assumption he NEEDED big rear brakes. Nothing's wrong with correcting someone.

In any case, all this has undoubtedly been covered ad nauseum somewhere else. In summary:

1) Almost no one NEEDS big rear brakes
2) For the money, much more gain can be realized elsewhere on the car
3) If he just wants them no matter what, that's fine too, and you should go to Todd@TCE

 

[MNGSX]

I like them because someday if the parachute craps out atleast I'll have good brakes

 

[gsxeclipsed]

feel free to close this down anytime moderators i got what i wanted

 

[miteclgst]

TurboGarageTech

I did not mention your name a single time in my post did I? You admitted yourself that many of the post are half-assed incoherant tryies at flaming and that is what I was commenting on. There will more than likely be one or two people in every thread, flame war or not, that will actually take the site seriously and give the thread starter advice. Unfortunately the post will be littered with nonsense. People who give sound advice need not get defensive.

Way to read, dude.

Don't play me like I didn't read the entire thread before commenting. I did, will you say that answers like "they will make your car slower" or comments about him being a "ricer" have any place in this thread?

Informing the starter that he dosn't really need big rear brakes is one thing, calling them a ricer is totally different.

Don't take my post personally, obviously you are one of the few who are actually shedding a bit of informative light on the subject.

 

[TurboGarageTech]

miteclgst:

Yeah sorry I didn't mean to come off so confrontational...I just have a hard time adjusting to this place after spending some quality time with NABR.

I totally agree with you that the stupid digs and random incoherent assclowning practically ruin this entire forum for me.

The only nice thing about it is that there are SO many members that provided you can wade through the horseshit there's quality info to be found.

Unfortunately this is usually what you get.

 

[GSXTCY]

feel free to close this down anytime moderators i got what i wanted

As per request!