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I am not sure if you would want to use a non-turbo FWD tranny on your GS-T. I am not a 2G tranny expert but on the 1gs the gear ratios for the non-turbos were much closer than the turbo fwd turbo cars. It might bolt up, but you might have some serious traction issues with a powerful car (but I am not sure if this would even work).

To have a modified DSM (stock dsms are actually reliable despite popular belief) as your main car can sometimes be a headache. To run these cars you HAVE to be prepared to do alot of your own work, or risk going bankrupt paying mechanics to do everything for you. I know few people on this site willing to fork out the cash to have other people work on their car. Before I bought my 91 GS-T (getting AWD soon, w00t) I knew essentially nothing about automotive work. Literally on my way back from the used car dealership my headgasket went up. I noticed lots of steam coming out of my exhaust. They sold me a damn car with a busted headgasket. Instead of being a bi*** about the whole situation, I did some research and found this website and http://www.vfaq.com . Many weeks later the car was running 100% with a new headgasket and I fixed a bunch of other problems it had along the way. Since the car came with a bunch of modifications already bolted on, I didn't want to sell the car. To do all the work I referred to the vfaq.com website, and if I was confused by anything at all I would refer to these forums (most of my questions were answered just using the search button). You will find that when you post on these forums, answers start coming quick. Don't be scared to ask questions (but please use the search button before you do). Don't get discouraged by small things breaking. Once you fix alot of the small annoying stuff your car will be reliable again (if you don't do anything too stupid with your new tranny or block). Good luck DSM'ing and welcome to dsmtuners.com :dsm:
BTW: If you have another beater ride/truck to use, then you are in luck. It will be invaluable to you :thumb:
 
So is the Evo III 16G the motor that I have heard about that just bolts right into the DSM?? Somebody was telling me about it. It has a small turbo but the turbo is powerful and works damn good. I also heard something that it is so powerful that it spins the tires on a DSM almost too easy.

Am I even generally in the right direction with this? :dsm:
 
I think their are some engines that came from the Lancer Evolutions that can bolt into a 2G (some of the ealier ones MAYalso have been able to fit in a 1G, maybe) but they aren't really any different than the american engines. The EVO III 16G is actually a mitsubishi turbo charger, with slightly more power output than the old big 16G turbo. No turbo engine will bolt into a 95-99 non-turbo engine bay because it fits an entirely different engine (420a). Trying to make a 4G63 fit into the 420a engine bay is next to impossible, and it would probably be cheaper to sell the non turbo and get a turbo car (if this is what your thinking about doing).
 
sonicnofadz said:
I think their are some engines that came from the Lancer Evolutions that can bolt into a 2G (some of the ealier ones MAYalso have been able to fit in a 1G, maybe) but they aren't really any different than the american engines. The EVO III 16G is actually a mitsubishi turbo charger, with slightly more power output than the old big 16G turbo. No turbo engine will bolt into a 95-99 non-turbo engine bay because it fits an entirely different engine (420a). Trying to make a 4G63 fit into the 420a engine bay is next to impossible, and it would probably be cheaper to sell the non turbo and get a turbo car (if this is what your thinking about doing).
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No, I long gave up that idea. Way too much work. I just remember somebody telling me about some EVO motor that you can put in a Eclipse. I will have to ask them again. Thanks for the input though.
 
marc...for your info, b4 i got the motor for your car i made sure to find a motor with "yellow top" 510cc injectors, and i did that because those motors have the big16g stock. i am terriblely sorry you broke the tranny, maybe you should have not beat the crap out of it. it worked when you bought it, you apperantly beat it more than i had because you seem to have broken it pretty quick: like the tranny and turbo.... i never had a problem with the turbo. and i said "bulletproof" tranny because thats exactly what i was told, but if you were "launching it" and getting wheel hop (which i know the car does) then its your fault. and at the start of this post you said something about if you get ahold of me i am going to be sorry??? really? hmm well you know my number, you even know where i live so whats the problem, because i would like to get that turbo back from you that you said you were going to send me money for...also i think i will run up to 7401 xxxxx view xxxx in ferndale to talk to your dad ( who bought the car for you) on a little road trip with some friends and talk to him about the turbo you stole from me. or maybe go to 1703 xxxxx beach xxxx and see if you are home. i don't want to be a jerk but i want my turbo or my money. at anyrate i have a few days off and am thinking about coming up, but i am not sure if i am because i don't really want to spend one of my days off to go all the way to bellingham, so we will see. if you have any questions about your car i am more than happy to answer them for you. and so you know all the work on the car was done by marcus herman (which i am sure lots of people know as a local DSm specialist), who also worked at a mitsubishi dealership. so everything you broke was not my fault. : dsm:
 
If it makes you feel any better, I bought my car with a new thrust bearing in it. BIG HINT but my dumbass didn't think too much of it mainly because I didn't know what it was. I drove the car probably about 3k miles before it officially took a crap on me. Rod knock, crankwalk, and maybe some transmission problems (made loud, tapping noises and became louder with higher gears). Oh yeah, I broke my clutch fork too and put in 1100 for a clutch job :notgood: . I got ripped off bad, and I have an uncle who is the partial owner of the shop too, so discounted. So far, I've had my car since jan '04 and it was running until around august, I think. Right now, I spent probably around 5k plus the cost of the car, 7600 + taxes :notgood: , coming to about 13000 on a car that I drove for about 8 months and 3k miles and it broke down on me 3 times, one time towed, the other two, I had a hard time bringing it home/mechanic's shop. Right now, I have a motor being assembled with some parts missing. My future bill is probably going to be about an additional 1800-2000. Sorry about the rant but I do feel your pain.

Hey, at least your motor is ok. I'm sure you are somewhat upset about this but you will learn more about these cars. We just happened to learn the hard way. Good luck for your future with your dsm.

One great thing about dsms is that there is a lot of local enthusiests around and good shops that know their stuff. I don't know what I would do without my mechanic (the good one).
 
DSM GREENHORN said:
:mad: :cry: So I bought my car off this guy like 3 months ago. Already I've had to dump $3,500.00 into it, and that's not performance upgrades.
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Don't sweat it. I spent over 9K. Your car is 10 years old, it's going to happen. :dsm:
 
If I could only count how many of these types of posts are made ....

But my suggestion to anyone who has to dump that kind of money into their DSM I suggest sticking with it. Once you start making repairs and do them the right way, you learn about the car and don't have to worry about that part for a long time. I suggest keeping the car only if you can afford it. Otherwise, you have to realize what things are important in your life.

Good luck though, I hope it turns out ok for ya.
 
is sure is a small community. all of us have broken our cars, its part of owning a DSM. it doesn't matter if kenio beat it or was really nice to it. if you (dsm greenhorn) beat it you assume all responsiblity and you said you bought it like 3 monthes ago, its definetly not his fault that you broke it three monthes after. but thats not cool of you to steal from a fellow DSMer, that makes you no better than a punk honda owner. and i hope he does go to you house and get his turbo back, even though you have it it still is his because you never payed him. thats pretty low.

to kenio: send me a private message with his full address and licence plate, i just moved to the area, so i will go by and make sure if anything that if you don't get your money or turbo that he will end up paying out for it wether it is to you or something else.... that seriously is rediculous what he dsm greenhorn is doing. i i have heard or marcus down there and i here he does great work so i beleive you that none of it is your fault its just dsm greenhorn trying to pass blame because he doesn't want to take responsibilty for his actions. i hope it all works out for you kenio.
 
Yeah well I think a turbo is a small price to pay. I get home and wtf, my car is having more problems. I take it to my guy (reputable), and wow, the tranny is all patched up w/ some sort of filler. There are no yellow top injectors in this car. They're the 2G "black top". What are you talking about came stock w/ a 16G? This is not an evo III motor. It's a beat down 1G motor w/ a crappy ass 14B. I saw the turbo pulled out next to a b16g, and it's a 14B, a worthless one at that. You kept telling me, "It has bigger injectors, and a b16G." O.K. man, I wish I had some of the stuff you're smoking. Whoever put in the motor did a crappy job. I never would have bought the car if you had been honest. I spent $3,500 right off the bat to fix the effects of your beatings. Then the dude who has the 99GSX said that you had blown apart a centerforce clutch in 8K before you sold it to me. How the hell does someone go about doing that if they're taking care of their car? Don't play this off like you're the victim. Yeah, you got taken for $200.00. Why don't you cry some more? I got straight up jacked by you for $7,500.00. You lied, and continued to lie about the car, and what was done to it. Hopefully the turbo will help me get the b16g that you said was on there. As far as threatening to come by my house, or my dad's house, that's ridiculous. I should be the one coming to your house, or your mom's house, and having a fit. You act all innocent, and try to ruin my name, but your just as bad if not worse than me. I bet you laughed all the way to the bank. " I need the money to pay off my tickets." Yeah right. You told me when I went down there that you had bought stuff for your car. I caught you in lots of lies, and waited for my opportunity to get some back. Do you really blame me? As far as you as a person, I think you're cool, but you need to recogognize that I'm out for myself, and you screwed me, so I thought it was only fair to screw you. If you feel it's necassary to come by, fine, I'll see you when you get here. If you need to brawl, fine, let's do it. Knowing you it'll be 5 of your friends against me, but screw it, I can handle a beat down. Don't worry, I live in the middle of nowhere, you can beat me till I'm damn near dead. Just remember, you did it first. Peace.
 
All you hens need to stop saying retarded sh*t. You don't know the whole story. He talks like this is some EVO III motor, and it's definitly not. Everything he said about the parts is a lie. It is a worn out 1G motor. In fact, I'm probably going to get a new head b/c his is all mismatched. Maybe I'm wrong, but my mechanic knows his stuff. He runs a full Garret daily driver, and is liscensed, so I weigh his opinion a lot heavier than XXX's hack ass. Bottom Line: I got jacked first, and now that I did something about it, he can't handle it. It goes both ways there, XXX. I don't know what else to say except stop threatening my family and I over $200.00, you're not James Gandolphini. Got it? Good.
 
its only a matter of time ....

its not my job, but you cant do this in these forums. pm him instead. :nono:
 
You're right. This is definitly a private matter. It's based on a few indescrepencies between myself, and a fellow DSMer. For all you guys viewing this thread just know that certain things were said out of impulsive responses to certain matters. This problem is in the process of getting resolved. Both parties are confering, and it'll just be a matter of time until a resolution is agreed upon :) . I do take reponsibility for my actions that will be viewed as some as unsavory, but that's b/c you don't have the full story. It sucks that my name on this site had to be tarnished, but if that's what it takes to get this resoved, so be it. (oh I know, I'm a martyr :rolleyes: ) Seriously though, a few people stuck their noses where they didn't belong, and posted threats based on 1/2 truths, and that is ridiculous. :notgood: As for the other posts that are on topic, I really do appreciate your advice, and feel a lot better about owning a money pit. Yeah, it's an unreliable beast, but I should have done more research if I wanted a different style of car, b/c the bottom line is that, owning a DSM gives you 2 choices out of these 3 options; fast, cheap, reliable. My choices are fast and reliable :cool: , so I'll quit bitching about the $, and take my car for what it is. Besides, I have some good upgrades coming up (EVO III 16G, newer tranny, Cometic headgasket, ARP head studs, Kevlar timing belt, and a turbo timer), so I have a feeling that will change the whole characteristics of my car. Anyway, I'm still happy to be a member of this site, and I hope that this post hasn't inhibited people from dealing w/ me, but I have a feeling nothing's going to be the same. Thanks for viewing, and if you want the full story, feel free to pm me, or e-mail me. Thanks.
 
I'm glad I came across this thread, although a little late. I'm sure it's going to get closed but I think something needs to be clarified. DSMGREENHORN (Mark) brought this car to me a few months ago with MAJOR issues. None of which were caused by him. I have absolutely nothing to gain by saying any of this. The only reason I am saying anything at all is because I cannot stand liars and scammers trying to screw people over and attempt to publicly discredit the innocent party.

The 6 bolt swap was the BIGGEST half assed job I have ever seen in my life. Two of the transmission mounts were installed improperly which was causing major wheelhop, even under mild acceleration. The rubber was broken in half in one of the mounts. The wiring was a complete disaster, butt connectors and electrical tape everywhere. The engine is not a jdm engine, it does not have 510 injectors or a 16g. It has a jdm throttle body, a non-turbo head, and 14b thats was barely alive. I'm actually very curious to see if it is even a turbo block. The injectors were stock 2g injectors. There is no timing cover, upper or lower. The intercooler piping had some of the craziest unnecesary bends I have ever seen. It was leaking badly in 4 places. The transmission was leaking fluid from just about every place possible. There is probably two tubes of gasket sealant between the cases.

There was also two crossthreaded transmission mount bolts, that prevented the mounts from being completely tightened. The banjo bolt that goes to the fuel filter is pretty much become a permanent piece of the filter. It was installed at a very steep angle and crossthreaded to the point that I will not be able to get it off. At least half of the valve cover bolts are stripped out, and the valve cover was cracked. The compressor outlet flange had one stripped out bolt that was causing a huge boost leak between the flange and the j pipe. The crossmember that runs front to rear under the transmission had 2 crossthreaded bolts that we had to cut off and drill out. The shifter assembly was not installed correctly. The shifter cable bracket on the transmission was bent and the bolts were not tight, the shifter bushings were worn out. Both cv axles were very damaged. The boots were ripped at every joint and rusted badly. Not the kind of surface rust that just shows up, the pitted multicolor rust that has been there for a long time. I honestly have never seen so many stripped/crossthreaded, bolts/nuts on one vehicle.

Ooooh yeah, and I think the best part was the castle nuts that are attached to the end of the cv axles. They were literally finger tight and had no cotter pins in them. :thumb: great job guys. Then there was the settings on the safc....OMG. I think what happened there was somebody saw all of the pretty green lights and just started pushing buttons (note to tuner: the safc is not a psp or a gameboy). The airflow correction looked like a damn rollercoaster -9+5-4+5-1+8. The th-points were 11 low and 28 high. I really wish I had a digital camera, I would have taken pictures of everything. It would have been enough to entertain everybody on dsmtuners for months and months.

Now this is all just off the top of my head. I know there is a lot more that I just can't remember right now. Probably since it's 6:30 am and I just got home from working on this car for the last 16 hours. We have probably spent about 90% of the time just fixing all the things that are wrong with this car. A 2 hour tranny swap turns into 4 hours of removing crossthreaded bolts, drilling, and retapping. The 20 minutes it takes to swap the injectors and regulator turns into an hour of rewiring and rerouting the harness. Removing 8 feet of excess vacuum line, and trying to find a replacement for the non existant fuel rail spacer that somebody forgot to install when they put the "510 injectors" in. Working on this car is defenitely not boring. We just keep finding more and more stuff to stare at and scratch our heads and think to ourselves "wtf were they thinking when they built this car???"

It looks like 3 crackheads put this thing together: one was blindfolded ( big16g, 510's jdm engine, etc), one sat on his hands until they were numb and just started torqueing things down with an impact gun( crossthreaded EVERYTHING!!), and one was racing around the garage on the creeper with his head up his ass(the seller).

I have no idea who put this car together so I'm not going to place the blame on any specific person. However the person that did put this car together (who I believe was mentioned in a previous post) should not be attempting to work on any vehicle.

I am not the kind of person that gets involved in drama bs like this, but when people get screwed over like this it really pisses me off. I know I'm probably breaking the rules here, I apologize and I completely understand if the moderators suspend me or ban me. But I just can't stand to see this guy lie about all of the things that are just wrong about this car and try to make Mark look bad.
 
ACKERSON said:
I'm glad I came across this thread, although a little late. I'm sure it's going to get closed but I think something needs to be clarified. DSMGREENHORN (Mark) brought this car to me a few months ago with MAJOR issues. None of which were caused by him. I have absolutely nothing to gain by saying any of this. The only reason I am saying anything at all is because I cannot stand liars and scammers trying to screw people over and attempt to publicly discredit the innocent party.

The 6 bolt swap was the BIGGEST half assed job I have ever seen in my life. Two of the transmission mounts were installed improperly which was causing major wheelhop, even under mild acceleration. The rubber was broken in half in one of the mounts. The wiring was a complete disaster, butt connectors and electrical tape everywhere. The engine is not a jdm engine, it does not have 510 injectors or a 16g. It has a jdm throttle body, a non-turbo head, and 14b thats was barely alive. I'm actually very curious to see if it is even a turbo block. The injectors were stock 2g injectors. There is no timing cover, upper or lower. The intercooler piping had some of the craziest unnecesary bends I have ever seen. It was leaking badly in 4 places. The transmission was leaking fluid from just about every place possible. There is probably two tubes of gasket sealant between the cases.

There was also two crossthreaded transmission mount bolts, that prevented the mounts from being completely tightened. The banjo bolt that goes to the fuel filter is pretty much become a permanent piece of the filter. It was installed at a very steep angle and crossthreaded to the point that I will not be able to get it off. At least half of the valve cover bolts are stripped out, and the valve cover was cracked. The compressor outlet flange had one stripped out bolt that was causing a huge boost leak between the flange and the j pipe. The crossmember that runs front to rear under the transmission had 2 crossthreaded bolts that we had to cut off and drill out. The shifter assembly was not installed correctly. The shifter cable bracket on the transmission was bent and the bolts were not tight, the shifter bushings were worn out. Both cv axles were very damaged. The boots were ripped at every joint and rusted badly. Not the kind of surface rust that just shows up, the pitted multicolor rust that has been there for a long time. I honestly have never seen so many stripped/crossthreaded, bolts/nuts on one vehicle.

Ooooh yeah, and I think the best part was the castle nuts that are attached to the end of the cv axles. They were literally finger tight and had no cotter pins in them. :thumb: great job guys. Then there was the settings on the safc....OMG. I think what happened there was somebody saw all of the pretty green lights and just started pushing buttons (note to tuner: the safc is not a psp or a gameboy). The airflow correction looked like a damn rollercoaster -9+5-4+5-1+8. The th-points were 11 low and 28 high. I really wish I had a digital camera, I would have taken pictures of everything. It would have been enough to entertain everybody on dsmtuners for months and months.

Now this is all just off the top of my head. I know there is a lot more that I just can't remember right now. Probably since it's 6:30 am and I just got home from working on this car for the last 16 hours. We have probably spent about 90% of the time just fixing all the things that are wrong with this car. A 2 hour tranny swap turns into 4 hours of removing crossthreaded bolts, drilling, and retapping. The 20 minutes it takes to swap the injectors and regulator turns into an hour of rewiring and rerouting the harness. Removing 8 feet of excess vacuum line, and trying to find a replacement for the non existant fuel rail spacer that somebody forgot to install when they put the "510 injectors" in. Working on this car is defenitely not boring. We just keep finding more and more stuff to stare at and scratch our heads and think to ourselves "wtf were they thinking when they built this car???"

It looks like 3 crackheads put this thing together: one was blindfolded ( big16g, 510's jdm engine, etc), one sat on his hands until they were numb and just started torqueing things down with an impact gun( crossthreaded EVERYTHING!!), and one was racing around the garage on the creeper with his head up his ass(the seller).

I have no idea who put this car together so I'm not going to place the blame on any specific person. However the person that did put this car together (who I believe was mentioned in a previous post) should not be attempting to work on any vehicle.

I am not the kind of person that gets involved in drama bs like this, but when people get screwed over like this it really pisses me off. I know I'm probably breaking the rules here, I apologize and I completely understand if the moderators suspend me or ban me. But I just can't stand to see this guy lie about all of the things that are just wrong about this car and try to make Mark look bad.
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..well I'm certainly entertained. :D
 
oh this would be a great soap opera. Just kidding, i hope everything gets resolved.
 
XDecaturX said:
is sure is a small community. all of us have broken our cars, its part of owning a DSM. it doesn't matter if kenio beat it or was really nice to it. if you (dsm greenhorn) beat it you assume all responsiblity and you said you bought it like 3 monthes ago, its definetly not his fault that you broke it three monthes after. but thats not cool of you to steal from a fellow DSMer, that makes you no better than a punk honda owner. and i hope he does go to you house and get his turbo back, even though you have it it still is his because you never payed him. thats pretty low.

to kenio: send me a private message with his full address and licence plate, i just moved to the area, so i will go by and make sure if anything that if you don't get your money or turbo that he will end up paying out for it wether it is to you or something else.... that seriously is rediculous what he dsm greenhorn is doing. i i have heard or marcus down there and i here he does great work so i beleive you that none of it is your fault its just dsm greenhorn trying to pass blame because he doesn't want to take responsibilty for his actions. i hope it all works out for you kenio.
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What a fukkin' ass banger. WTF

And this "person" only has one post, and that is the one. Wow some contribution. :spam:
 
Are you talking about Ackerson only having 1 post? If so, you're way off. He has been a member of this site for a long time, and I'm sure has helped lots of people w/ their car needs. He has taken the rolling shitbox that I bought and is slowly turning it into a decent car. He has selflessly (along w/ his cousin and brother) put hours upon hours into my car for a minimul cost. I paid about what it would cost for 1 racing seat (generic brand) to have them install tons of parts on my car. (tranny, fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc, and that's just the tip of the iceburg). Those guys ran into seriously ridiculous problems, and never complained once. In fact, they kept a sense of humor the whole time. We are lucky to have him here, and he really knows his stuff. Maybe he might not post all the time, but when he does, you better listen instead of responding w/ some stupid ass coment like that. He has been involved in every aspect of DSM's for a long time, and has invaluable information that I know will help others. I, for one, consider myself lucky to have him as my mechanic. He could easily open a shop up here and bust out some kick ass work. So instead of typing in some retarded blurb about him not contributing, you should get your shit straight. If you didn't mean Ackerson, than don't regard this post, but if you did, you were way off base, and made a pathetic mistake. Anyway, now you all see that I wasn't lying about my car, and that it came with massive amounts of damage. The only fault that is mine, is that I was a novice (still am, but now know the basics) when I bought the car, and didn't know that it was messed up to that degree. I also trusted a young kid who had obviously beat the piss out of it. I should have bought an old person's stock, low mile, daily driver, and then modded it myself. I have dropped 10K into this thing now, and am nowhere near where I should be, imagine where I'd be if I had dropped 10K into a good car. Oh well, live and learn, right? Also, you all need to show Ackerson some respect b/c he deserves it. Later.
 
Hey spoolin4ever, sorry man, I saw that you were talking about Kenio. Thanks for knowing the truth. I agree 100% w/ everything you said about him, but Kenio actually isn't the guy I bought the car from. The guy I bought the car from just used his account to post that straight up lying ass post. I seriously cannot beleive he kept lying his ass off even after he was called on it. It is a fact that the car had almost nothing he said it came w/, and that was one of the most hacked cars on earth. Every single component has something wrong w/ it. Seriously, who can't even get throttle body gaskets right? Anyway, thanks Ackerson for showing the light, and thanks to anyone else who sided w/ me on this one.
 
I just repolaced the lifters with the revised lifters due to lifter tick. I know it was lifter tick because i cleaned them and it was fixed for about 2 days.
I replaced them and i know i did it correctly.
THey are still ticking after about 100 miles. THey say they will tick on startup for a while, well mine never stopped.
I filled them with oil then drained them, twice. and i "primed" it or whatever.
This is ####ing ###. I gharte myt car. All i want to do is fix this and the prob;lem witht he dash lights and tail lights. and sell it.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
/rant
what is there to do now?
 
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