How Do I Increase Low-End Power With All Motor Upgrades?

[95VENG]

Still new to DSM or sport compact as some might call it. But kinda hard to get alot of torque out of small displacement or 4cyl n/a. Even with a full build still limitted on torque. Id personally aim for more mid to top end power if going all motor. You can try playing with gear ratios till you find one that helps you accellerate faster without totally killing your top end, Youd be pretty much set . If you can figure out how to get more torque, Ill be the first one to ask you how you did it.

 

[2gmummy]

How do I get back these 5 minutes

I'd start with getting the sand out your vag the most useless thing you can do is complain about your willful choice you made to read the post.

As far dr1665's post I agree it seems like most people substitute buying parts for learning to drive better and maximizing the car's potential

 

[bo0st]

Great advice and conversation thanks guys

 

[dr1665]

Still new to DSM or sport compact as some might call it. But kinda hard to get alot of torque out of small displacement or 4cyl n/a. Even with a full build still limitted on torque. Id personally aim for more mid to top end power if going all motor. You can try playing with gear ratios till you find one that helps you accellerate faster without totally killing your top end, Youd be pretty much set . If you can figure out how to get more torque, Ill be the first one to ask you how you did it.

You bring up an interesting point and something I've never seen anyone in the 2GNT community pull off. You know how all the drag race 2GNTers swap out the 3.9x final drive for the 3.55 out of the Neon so they can trap the quarter in third? well, if memory serves, there was a 1.8L PT Cruiser offered in Mexico which ran an NV-T350 variant with something like a 4.10 final. Swapping to that would cost you top end, but improve acceleration. If anyone has connections south of the border, it might be worth looking into. Would make for a seriously sweet tech article, methinks.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to London and Berlin for a couple weeks to meet up with our Mitsubishi brothers and sisters abroad. Catch you on the flip side...

 

[95VENG]

When i swapped my gears in my truck, i was able to get a better e/t at the track because of the quicker acceleration. I would assume that it would be the same on these killers. Keep us posted man.. wanna see how it turns out for you. DR1665 have fun brotha

 

[jcart953]

Interested read people..do carry on ......

 

[Black420RS]

Driggs, while I enjoyed a lot of what you said (especially the part about doing what others said couldn't be done). I just want you to know, the above thing I quoted, I am stealing and adding to my signature.

I am Doing the same with this

This community was built on people doing what others told them couldn't be done, with parts that didn't exist, in ways that shouldn't have worked. It was BUILT, NOT BOUGHT, by people who read technical articles until their eyes bled and put everything on the line to try what they saw done on other platforms. There were no safe bets. There were no cheap, Chinese knockoffs on Ebay. There was only hard work, trial and error, and an openness to wild ass ideas out of left field.

THAT is what it means to be a DSMer. That is what going fast with class is all about.

 

[necrotopsy]

It's gonna be like that, is it? Fine.



Evo III 16G was suggested for better response, room to grow, and cachet. You want to run it on a 420A you - ! - get a manifold built for it. Don't want to invest in a little fabrication that sets your car apart from the crowd? Fine. Find something that will fit an Ebay/shelf manifold that's somewhat close to the E316G. Your project. Your budget. You decide where you compromise.

Blah blah you're retarded and this is why...

I guess this is what it feels like to be "told"
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i concede to your points and drop any further arguments

 

[95VENG]

Ebay parts are not that bad depanding on what you get anyways. But for Engine components? No. if you want good quality and dependability. gotta pay a lil extra for that. cant short cut anything cause thats when things start goin wrong

 

[glowryder]

Not to mention Machine work.. Ask me i know. i just lost my BAF (built as ####) 2.4 to piss poor machining.. No big deal only 6k+ in the just motor.. rolls eyes.. Keep in mind ,my build contains 0% ebay parts. I will say this. Nothing broke, had i used ebay crap, who knows how much damage would have been done.. Thats the differnce between a quality build and a thrown together one, granted, anyone can blow up no matter what.. but without all the nice stuff, i could have been looking at more then just rebuild of the bottom end.

Id like to give a big thanks to Baker Machine in Des moines Ia.. Thank you for not knowing what your doing. Perhaps when they learn to listen and read, they may become a subpar machine shop.

You get what you pay for and sometimes not even that. End of story. By all means, budget build, sometimes thats all we can do, thats fine just pick and choose what you get from sleezbay

 

[95VENG]

true true true. you make a good point. you have to be careful there.

 

[bo0st]

I guess I'll just stick with my nitrous for now, I don't feel like doing an engine swap really.

 

[95VENG]

nope. i wouldnt. Personally. Im going to do a set of cams. Build the head up a lil and upgrade fuel and you can run a lil bit bigger boom from the spray. But my advice if you dont already jet it a lil rich.

 

[bo0st]

nope. i wouldnt. Personally. Im going to do a set of cams. Build the head up a lil and upgrade fuel and you can run a lil bit bigger boom from the spray. But my advice if you dont already jet it a lil rich.

I just got a walbro 255 and I jetted it according to the nitrous install holley instructions (It's a NoS Sniper kit)

 

[95VENG]

that should be good then man. Whats the set up? throttle activate? window switch? I have a wet fogger on my silverado but thinking of pullin it and giving the veng a lil more umpf after i rebuild the head.

 

[dsmjunk]

A aftermarket intake manifold and throttle-body spacer will help as well and of course lighter pulleys all not just one. Im doing trial and era on mine so when I before results I will share. If you put the cat back on it as well still help. It a n/t it needs the back pressure.

 

[Fotowntalon]

A aftermarket intake manifold and throttle-body spacer will help as well and of course lighter pulleys all not just one. Im doing trial and era on mine so when I before results I will share. If you put the cat back on it as well still help. It a n/t it needs the back pressure.

A TB spacer does nothing for our cars.

An aftermarket intake manifold may and can create more power, but they normally do it at the expense of tq, because of the way our current stock IM is designed to give a nice amount of mid range tq.

And back pressure being good for any car?...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre...8578-exhaust-straight-scoop-backpressure.html

 

[bo0st]

that should be good then man. Whats the set up? throttle activate? window switch? I have a wet fogger on my silverado but thinking of pullin it and giving the veng a lil more umpf after i rebuild the head.

Button safety switch and only operates under WOT

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[dsmjunk]

A TB spacer does nothing for our cars
An aftermarket intake manifold may and can create more power, but they normally do it at the expense of tq, because of the way our current stock IM is designed to give a nice amount of mid range tq.

And back pressure being good for any car?...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre...8578-exhaust-straight-scoop-backpressure.html

well is there dyno results on. That back pressure theroy? Every four banger that I have owned had a gutted cat. Ran great before I removed the cat and after that no bottom end(tq). My current eclipse runs like a top compared to my talon(2.5 straight pipe to a muffler) I can actually keep up with v8s with my bone stock eclipse UN like my talon were I would get left after line. So explain that

 

[bryanwheat]

well is there dyno results on. That back pressure theroy? Every four banger that I have owned had a gutted cat. Ran great before I removed the cat and after that no bottom end(tq). My current eclipse runs like a top compared to my talon(2.5 straight pipe to a muffler) I can actually keep up with v8s with my bone stock eclipse UN like my talon were I would get left after line. So explain that

Would this v8 be an old worn out 305 in a 4 wheel drive truck or what?

 

[Calan]

My current eclipse runs like a top compared to my talon(2.5 straight pipe to a muffler) I can actually keep up with v8s with my bone stock eclipse UN like my talon were I would get left after line. So explain that

You need to tune the Talon.

Would this v8 be an old worn out 305 in a 4 wheel drive truck or what?

 

[glowryder]

x2.. the V8s are just playing with you.. your a 16 second car, mayb 15.5 at best with a great driver.. Dont get delusions of granduer.. the NA 420a is not a fast car, its not even a quick car with the level of bolt-ons you have.. Those are facts... sorry.

not sure why your doing trial and error, when many of us have already done it.. Lighter pullies, as in the UDP, b.c thats the only one thats made for us.. They dont make fancy light weight AL accessory pullies like they do for other cars..

CIA , header and exhaust are nice, but wont make you faster by any real measure.. they may give you more power in a lower range, but its just shifting the power, not really addint to it, so the butt dyno may feel something, but realworld , not so much. Its been proven. Look at some of the NA cars that spend a but load of cash, their feats are very impressive, but they want to do NA cars, they know they wont make anything near what a turbo will make, but they know that.. the real question is do you know that.. if thats what your going for, by all means, go for it, but do it right, ebay bolt ons arnt the way... theres plenty of peple that have paved Na And boosted paths.. no need to re-invent the wheel.. just my .02

 

[dsmjunk]

V8s aren't as fast as people think they don't make much hp well at least the older ones don't on a stock motor. New cars are different stories . I raced my friends 97 camaro lt1 with basic bolt ons with the talon and got smoked raced my friends 84 mustang with a 351w with the talon kept up for a little then got left in the dust. Raced my cousins 00 continental with my stock eclipse and stayed at his back door.

 

[glowryder]

420a's arnt as fast as you think as well..

Racing a grandma's V8 and racing a charger/challenger V8 are 2 differnt things... no one cares when you beat a 300 hp v8 in a heavy car. power to weight is clear. racing a decent v8, one with the v8 spirit is a whole nother thing.. IMO, id watch that comment, b.c most ppl would think that some one has common sence to not brag about beating a car thats cleary slow. v8 v10 w.e. Go bear an srt charger/chal or even the 5.7 in your car, then you can have some talking room.. Just sayin.. thats a pretty ricer move to talk crap like that.. infact, i had to put a cobalt owner in his place.. he has tags that say "ateurv8" or some crap.. yet .. he doesnt race b.c he wants to keep his car nice.. Obvious ricer, and obvious retard.. i smoked him in the hemi charger.. and my venge is wayy faster then my hemi.. Just saying. dont be a ricer.

 

[dsmjunk]

Sane people with cars like that don't race 4bangers because they get nothing out of it. And as far as you racing a caviler(cobalt ) sounds pretty dumb to me. If someone around me saw those plates they would just point and laugh.