Help With My Future Mods List.

[gs-tboi12]

hello i made a list of mods im willing to buy in the future. the car is a 1997 gs-t. It would be helpful if u guys can tell me what i need or do not need from this list. Also what i need thats not on the list. thank you

Dejon tool CIP-2gS 3" intake pipe
k&n filtercharger kit (air filter)
hks ssq BOV
extreme technologies xbc manual boost controller
apex'i n1 exhaust system
apexi downpipe
punishment race headers
punishment racing tubular 0s housing
walbro 255lph fuel pump
garrett t3/t4 series turbo
gt concepts external wastegate
hks type 1 turbo timer
act 2600 clutch kit
b&m short shifter
kaaz front lsd
ecm tuning dsm link
aem ems engine managment system
high flow denso injectors 660cc
agp fmic intercooler kit
clutch masters flywheel

guages:
air/fuel
boost/vacuum
oil pressure
oil temp
water temp
tranny temp

handling and braking:
tanabe sustec sway bars
dc sports carbon steel strut bars
h&r racing springs
koni adjustable shocks
stillen big brake kit(front)

Any help would be kool.

 

[gs-tboi12]

another thing. would you guys rather build a new motor from scratch or just build the motor that comes with the car?

 

[snowborder714]

Either rebuild the motor that came with the car or do a 6 bolt swap. There's no need to go spend almost $2k on a brand new motor (just the short block, mind you) when you can make the one in your car (or one you find in a junk yard) look just as good or better than one straight from Mitsu. Plus, this way you can put in the internals you want and build it up. Just do a lot of research before tackling that project.

 

[gs-tboi12]

one more thing i have a 7bolt motor would a engine rebuild kit(not stock, performance rebuild kit also including cams) do the job or will i blow a piston when i go to high rpm's. Im thinking of getting a stroker kit and some head parts. I also heard i dont need to do engine work except the cams because im going only to 350fwhp(about) and its already a turbo engine, is this true?

 

[My1GLaser]

Ryan at Import Evolution is running a PTE BB 50 trim at 24 psi (IIRC) on a stock 7 bolt. Stock HG and everything. As long as your tune is good and you don't knock like crazy while running lean you shouldn't blow your pistons. I am sure he is over 400whp with his setup. With DSMLink and a Wideband you are pretty much a driving dyno on wheels. They have their place, but so does driving your own dyno daily.

I am not positive about the 7 bolt, but the 6 bolt turns to 8000 rpm without much issue. Your tranny will be more pissed about 8000 rpm shifts than your motor. Some people take the stock valve springs that high on 272 cams and don't even think twice about the bottom end suffering. Again I am not positive about the 7 bolt since I am a 1g guy, but someone else will chime in on that. I got Manley Springs with my 272s for peace of mind, but I could have run the stockers just the same. I am setting my rev limiter to 8000, but will shift at about 7500 with my current turbo.

If it were me, I would stay away from the stroker for now. It is a whole different animal and will change what cams, turbo and other things you should run. Plus I think I remember reading that they are very torquey for a FWD, but I could be wrong there?

 

[gs-tboi12]

thanks man.

 

[gs-tboi12]

Whats the minimum fwhp i can get with the setup i currently want?(with a good tune)
(if u guys dont feel like scrolling up here's the list again)


Dejon tool CIP-2gS 3" intake pipe
k&n filtercharger kit (air filter)
hks ssq BOV w/recurculation kit
extreme technologies xbc manual boost controller
apex'i n1 exhaust system
apexi downpipe(maybe not)
ported 2g manifold or evo 3 manifold
ported 2g o2 housing or evo 3 o2 housing
walbro 255lph fuel pump w/ rewire kit
Bullseye Power T04B 50-Trim turbo
gt concepts external wastegate
hks type 1 turbo timer
act 2600 clutch kit
b&m short shifter
kaaz front lsd
ecm tuning dsm link
high flow denso injectors 720cc
agp fmic intercooler kit
clutch masters flywheel
272 cams
adjustable fuel pressure regulator
eprom ecu
symborski shift kit
maf translator, gm maf

guages:
air/fuel wideband
boost/vacuum
oilpressure
oil temp
water temp

handling and braking:
tanabe sustec sway bars
dc sports carbon steel strut bars
h&r racing springs
koni adjustable shocks
stillen big brake kit(front)

 

[turbosax2]

Guessing hp numbers is not allowed here. You best avoid that if you want the thread to stay open.

 

[gs-tboi12]

alright man. thanks for the warning.

 

[My1GLaser]

He ^^^could be right, but honestly I don't know. HP is generally limited or gained by the turbo you choose. There are other factors such as fuel, exhaust flow, engine mgmt, clutch pressure and the wheels holding the power. You can have a 50 lb/min turbo, but if your clutch is weak or your wheels won't hold the power then the 500 HP is not getting to the ground.

Bottom line is the cams will add about 30-40 HP (give or take). The clutch, LSD & suspension will put it to the ground. The AFPR & Injectors will supply the fuel for the air you plan to flow. DSMLink will let you put it all together with an excellent tune. (After you surmount the learning curve) The gauges will let you keep an eye on how things are running.

Now you have to decide when you want the power to hit. Are you happy with waiting until 4500 rpm, or do you want it at 3200 rpm (we are talking 3rd gear, so expect 2nd to take a few hundred longer). Ball bearing turbos spool ALOT quicker, but cost more. I would say they are well worth the extra $$, which I will spend when I need to. There is $700 SBR 50 trim, but I am not waiting til 4500 for full boost out of a 400 whp turbo. When I want to go bigger, I will spend the $2500 and get a FP 3052, FP ex mani, External WG, & Vband O2 housing. Until then it is 350-400 hp on an EVO III 16g that hits like hell at 3200 rpm.

I don't know about the Bullseye 50 trim, but I like their compressor wheel design & turbine housing from what I think I remember researching a year ago. Maybe its a ballbearing or maybe its a journal bearing. If it is the latter, I don't think you will be happy. Even if it does put down 400whp and the mitsu only puts down 350.

Its all about your goals. And all of ours are different. I am sure I would catch hell from a lot for building a forged bottom end with 9:1 pistons on a wimpy 16g. But I want a street car that whips ass in auto cross, but might run 11s at the track if I tune well.

 

[gs-tboi12]

yo guys i was thinking about what snowborder714 said about the downpipe and it got me thinking. Do you guys kno of any performance downpipes that i can get that will pass emission's and not sacrifice horsepower or exhaust leaving the engine? Or do i have to pay the guy under the table to pass my test?

 

[turbosax2]

RRE race down pipes

Eclipse Exhaust System Upgrades

 

[gs-tboi12]

hey wassup guys, sorry to bother u guys again with my list but can u guys check it out one more time? i did a few changes to the list, i was wondering if its beocoming alittle overkill for my goals. Im shooting for about 350fwhp(for some reason i think im going to get more than that with this list)
Thanks again and i hope im not becoming annoying


Dejon Tool CIP-2gS 3" intake pipe
k&n filtercharger kit (air filter)
hks ssq BOV w/recurculation kit
extreme technologies xbc manual boost controller
Espelier 80mm SS Exhaust
RRE racedown pipe
ported evo 3 manifold
ported evo 3 o2 housing
walbro 255lph fuel pump w/ rewire kit
Bullseye Power T04B 50-Trim turbo w/ internal wastegate
hks type 1 turbo timer
act 2600 clutch kit
b&m short shifter
kaaz front lsd
ecm tuning dsm link
high flow denso injectors 720cc
agp fmic intercooler kit
clutch masters flywheel
272 cams
adjustable fuel pressure regulator
eprom ecu
symborski shift kit
maf translator, gm maf
o2 sensor
high flow fuel filter
AEM high flow fuel rail
AEM adjustable cam gears
ADFX intake manifold
AEM UEGO wideband guage kit

guages:
glowshift boost/vacuum
glowshift oil pressure
glowshift oil temp
glowshift water temp
glowshift tachometer

handling and braking:
RM DSM sway bars
dc sports carbon steel strut bars
h&r racing springs
koni adjustable shocks
stillen big brake kit(front)

also any changes to the list would be kool.

 

[Black95awd]

hey wassup guys, sorry to bother u guys again with my list but can u guys check it out one more time? i did a few changes to the list, i was wondering if its beocoming alittle overkill for my goals. Im shooting for about 350fwhp(for some reason i think im going to get more than that with this list)
Thanks again and i hope im not becoming annoying


Dejon Tool CIP-2gS 3" intake pipe
k&n filtercharger kit (air filter) <----------Vibrant filter/adapter is just as good and cheaper
hks ssq BOV w/recurculation kit <----------Use a 1g BOV, HKS is over-rated
extreme technologies xbc manual boost controller
Espelier 80mm SS Exhaust <------VRS also makes a nice peice. (dp too)
RRE racedown pipe
ported evo 3 manifold
ported evo 3 o2 housing
walbro 255lph fuel pump w/ rewire kit
Bullseye Power T04B 50-Trim turbo w/ internal wastegate<---evoIII 16g is plenty and proven
hks type 1 turbo timer <------no need, just let it idle for a min before you get out or drive it easy for the last mile or two
act 2600 clutch kit <-------- your left leg is going to grow. mine did.
b&m short shifter
kaaz front lsd
ecm tuning dsm link <--------- have it and love it
high flow denso injectors 720cc <----------- 650cc would be plenty on the E316G
agp fmic intercooler kit
clutch masters flywheel <---- I would use ACT
272 cams <-------- I have BC and I love them
adjustable fuel pressure regulator
eprom ecu <----------- found in the 95 model only
symborski shift kit <------ also under hood shifter cable bearings
maf translator, gm maf <----- recirc the 1g BOV and use the 2g MAS its good to 500hp or better
o2 sensor <------ only if yours is bad
high flow fuel filter <------- stock is fine
AEM high flow fuel rail <------ not needed for 350fwhp stock is fine. if you want to upgrade Aeromotive is cheaper.
AEM adjustable cam gears <----- I have seen several of the AEM gears break, I would get a different brand
ADFX intake manifold <-------- I like the JMF or Magnus better
AEM UEGO wideband guage kit

guages:
glowshift boost/vacuum
glowshift oil pressure
glowshift oil temp
glowshift water temp
glowshift tachometer

handling and braking:
RM DSM sway bars
dc sports carbon steel strut bars
h&r racing springs
koni adjustable shocks
stillen big brake kit(front) <------ use OEM EVO 8 rears to go with these (also you can get the brembo front kit instead and have all brembo)

also any changes to the list would be kool.

see notes above. also note all suggestions are just that, suggestions. I am not new to the game by any means, and I have picked up a trick or two along the way. good luck with your build!

 

[neoviper]

You won't be overkilling if you do a conservative tune, but a setup like that is better for bigger numbers. I'd personally go with a smaller turbo. Evo3 16g is plenty good

 

[gs-tboi12]

Thank you for the suggestions. I cant say how much all of you guys here at dsmtuners have been such a big help!! oh and also im proabably gonna go with the forge motorsports BOV(recirculating).