Help! Did i blow my engine!!!

[WarMadeSimple]

Alright guys, I am new here and heres my situation. I just got a 97 GST spyder, supposely just had engine rebuilt, car seemed to run great....... until i am on my way home with it, I was traveling on the interstate, not ripping into it, not boosting, 25-2700rpm and 60mph, just cruising................suddenly my car seemed to miss, well then it drove fine, then about 2 min later, i hear KLACK KLACK, very loud and then the car dies and it appears to smoke a small amount, well I get it on the tow truck (costs me 780 for the tow home, 180 miles), under the car was a slight amount of oil once towed.........I cant really see any real issues off hand, but the timing belt teeth are shaved down near the cams. any ideas?

 

[rlacasse1]

And no one is trying to be rude, some just find it humorous that you built a wicked VR4 but can't seem to find out what's wrong with your car. It doesn't matter if they are different engine, the basic concepts and mechanics are still the same.

 

[JusMX141]

Things it could be:

• Broken connecting rod.
• Rod cap fell off.
• Piston broke at the wrist pin.
• Balance shaft bearing failure (if applicable).
• Oil pump failure.
• Broken timing belt.
• Failed timing belt auto tensioner.
• Timing belt idler pulley fell off.

Things it probably is not:

• A bad taillight bulb.
• A faulty fuel pump.
• A broken brake line.
• A worn or broken strut mount.
• Excessive air pressure in the right rear tire.

Pick one and run with it- your guess is as good as ours at this point. Hope this helps.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

and yes I understand that it is the same mechanical virtue here, but I am more so just irritated with this situation, and you are all very correct, I have not checked much to determine whats going on. I hate paying mechanics, and I hate that I dont have a garage any longer. So as stated, I will investigate some when I get off, and get back to everyone with some pictures and my personal interpretation of what went wrong.

 

[RT-AWD]

Look at it this way, if you skipped timing you're going to need a complete rebuild/new motor. If you tossed a rod you're going to need a new motor.
I would see if you can't get your bike back. It's worth a shot, you did 40 miles and the car popped?! Sounds like the seller knew something was afoot.

 

[Calan]

Things it probably is not:

• A bad taillight bulb.
  

Are you sure? Those pesky tail light bulbs can wreak all kinds of havoc if you don't have them filled properly.

Look at it this way, if you skipped timing you're going to need a complete rebuild/new motor. If you tossed a rod you're going to need a new motor

Not necessarily, in either case. He may just have some slightly bent valves and cracked guides if the t-belt went south. If he shut it down fast enough, even with a spun rod he could have just hosed a bearing or two and maybe scarred the crank.

There's no way to know until he looks at it.

 

[rlacasse1]

Well, we know it's a timing belt issue for sure. Plus whatever else you end up having wrong.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

and i would try to get that bike back, but bill of sale is as-is, no warranty intended. Thus limited myself to keeping the car

 

[rlacasse1]

Look at it this way, if you skipped timing you're going to need a complete rebuild/new motor. If you tossed a rod you're going to need a new motor.
I would see if you can't get your bike back. It's worth a shot, you did 40 miles and the car popped?! Sounds like the seller knew something was afoot.

Not so much. A skipped timing belt does not require a rebuild of the entire engine.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

and i believe this will be my route for a new engine

Porters Performance (STAGE 1) Crate Motor 4G63

 

[empie1]

Your an idiot... if that was the case there would be no dsms left...

To the op, did anyone address the balance shaft problem that we have with these cars? I think that the balance shaft belt broke hitting the timing and shearing teeth, being the large klack klack. I think you should investigate this first and diagnose your problem by looking. Maybe ask a local member to come take a look at it for you. Typically, oil followed by a klack deems for assuming the worst. If i were you i'd check your oil return, rent a leak down tester. And follow up by removing the timing...cut the damn thing. And pull your balance shaft belt. Then if you find it is beyond repairable, take you losses and buy a bike.

Did you not read his post stating HE HAS NO TOOLS OR GARAGE??? I agree with a diagnosis first, but if its major, its not worth keeping considering he cant work on it himself.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

Did you not read his post stating HE HAS NO TOOLS OR GARAGE??? I agree with a diagnosis first, but if its major, its not worth keeping considering he cant work on it himself.

exactly, i just moved to where I am. All my stuff is in storage and I do not have a garage. If this happened 6 months ago, when i had a 2 car garage, the motor would already be out

 

[rlacasse1]

Why don't you just build your own. It'll be much cheaper.

Well, nvm on that. I just read the last few posts.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

i dont have the patience to deal with it, i would rather just order it built, slap it in, and roll to the beach

 

[ktgurl87]

Roanoke isn't that far from me. Just have it towed down here and you can give it to me as payment for fixing it . And did I really read that you dumped $10,000 into that car just buying it?!?! That sucker better be laiden with gold nuggets dude. Pictures please.

 

[Lone]

I am currently knee deep in fixing the results of a broken balance shaft belt (happened before I bought it). If you have the resources, buy an engine and cruise to the beach. It probably goes against the grain of an average DSM owner, but they would rather spend the extra money on mods and tools. I wish you the best.

 

[ktgurl87]

I am currently knee deep in fixing the results of a broken balance shaft belt (happened before I bought it). If you have the resources, buy an engine and cruise to the beach. It probably goes against the grain of an average DSM owner, but they would rather spend the extra money on mods and tools. I wish you the best.

You can NEVER have too many tools.

 

[Alex7747]

Your an idiot... if that was the case there would be no dsms left...

To the op, did anyone address the balance shaft problem that we have with these cars? I think that the balance shaft belt broke hitting the timing and shearing teeth, being the large klack klack. I think you should investigate this first and diagnose your problem by looking. Maybe ask a local member to come take a look at it for you. Typically, oil followed by a klack deems for assuming the worst. If i were you i'd check your oil return, rent a leak down tester. And follow up by removing the timing...cut the damn thing. And pull your balance shaft belt. Then if you find it is beyond repairable, take you losses and buy a bike.

Explain to me how Im an idiot. If the guy had room to work on the car (because we all know that once you take out your engine your gonna have parts all over your garage) or at least the tools needed to pull the engine out and rebuild/work on it. Then i would say keep it and fix the car...but he doesnt so why keep it if he wont be able to fix it?

 

[thatblondechik]

This whole thread just fails so hard...words escape me.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

I had over ten grand into my bike, had it listed for 6, car was listed for 6.

 

[empie1]

This whole thread just fails so hard...words escape me.

Lol..it only failed when 6 different people told him to replace the engine after he said he had no tools or garage.

 

[WarMadeSimple]

Just ordered a stage 3 crate motor. I guess go hard or go home...gt35r it is

 

[SpawnedX]

How about looking into a 6bolt swap and stop messing with another crankwalkable 7bolt motor.

Stop posting.

yeah i read wrong and corrected as such

and there are a few twin turbo 4g63's running around...and 1 or 2 quad turbos a quad setup was actually sold on here not too long ago

Stop posting as well.

I am just curious of people opinions, I thought a forum was for a community, I havent really even looked at anything yet, I just dumped 10k into this car, and then 40 miles down the road, and a 800 dollar tow bill 185 miles back home ( i had just picked the car up), I am too irritated with it to dig any further.

I will get some pics, and dig some today, and i will be updating with finding ect ect, ive been a member of this forum for a mere 4 hours, and I see a lot of help, and a lot of drama

Not trying to be rude at all guys, just trying to get input, DSM is a moneypit we all know that, but they sure can be one fun ride to broke haha

Look OP, let's get something straight, the people who help on this forum have a no BS attitude. They hate to be lied to and that's what you are doing. Guys making 65K a year don't just go out and buy 6K GSTs and have no garage or even a driveway to work on it. You aren't making 65K a year.

Guys who can build twin 20G powered VR4s do not keep asking for stupid advice based on very little information and then continue to defend themselves with what they supposedly have done, money they make and reasons why they haven't even looked under the car properly yet.

Here is a simple guide to surviving this post...

Apologize for lying, we all know you are, and no posts of "whatever you say" and "fine, don't believe me, it doesn't change a thing" is going to convince us otherwise. We have been in this game for too long.

The following items should be purchased and will be very affordable and helpful until you can get better quality gear:

105 Piece Tool Kit

Compression Test Kit

Cylinder Leak-Down Tester

Duralast/2 Ton hydraulic jack and stand kit (80-6223) | Jack | AutoZone.com

165.00, do it in the street if you have to.

Just because there is little to no oil on the ground doesn't mean you didn't put a hole in the block. It depends on where the hole is, if it is higher up then it will leak a little oil, but the rest settles in the pan and stays there until you drain it.

Step 1: Drain your oil.

Review said oil for metal shavings and then dispose of it at AutoZone for free.

Step 2: Remove your oil pan.

It's just a few bolts. Drop the pan and inspect for metal chunks and shavings. Grab a flash light and take a look around.

Step 3: After completing this 15 minutes of work that requires a 10mm socket and a ratchet, report back to us with the findings. We will go from there.

 

[SpawnedX]

Just ordered a stage 3 crate motor. I guess go hard or go home...gt35r it is

Welp, it's official guys, this is one of those members we just let pass in the night. Another DSM that will sit for years with grandiose dreams on a build that eventually turns into a part out.

 

[rlacasse1]

Welp, it's official guys, this is one of those members we just let pass in the night. Another DSM that will sit for years with grandiose dreams on a build that eventually turns into a part out.

Sounds like it. Let's see how long this new engine will last.

 

[empie1]

Guys who can build twin 20G powered VR4s do not keep asking for stupid advice based on very little information and then continue to defend themselves with what they supposedly have done, money they make and reasons why they haven't even looked under the car properly yet.

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You know, i wasnt gonna say anything, but I kinda had similar thoughts. I would think if you have that much experiance building a engine (especially a mitsu) youd be able to figure out the difference between rod damage or piston slap.
Kinda funny you called him out...i was gonna but decided im a as$hole enough and i should take a break...