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1Gina2G

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My 14B turbo is simply bad a needs to be replaced, I don't see alot of new 14B's though, and was wondering if there's room to go bigger on a turbo, with making fuel changes, and still be able to keep my daily driving reliability?

I don't really have a horsepower goal, reliability is my #1 priority.

I'm a total newb as far as tuning goes, not sure if I should try ECM link or DSM link or SAFC :confused:

I'm kind of leaning towards buying a new small 16G turbo, and keep the stock fuel settings, but if I can tune and still drive fine everyday I'd really like to learn.
 
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1Gina2G said:
My 14B turbo is simply bad a needs to be replaced, I don't see alot of new 14B's though, and was wondering if there's room to go bigger on a turbo, with making fuel changes, and still be able to keep my daily driving reliability?

I don't really have a horsepower goal, reliability is my #1 priority.

I'm a total newb as far as tuning goes, not sure if I should try ECM link or DSM link or SAFC :confused:

I'm kind of leaning towards buying a new small 16G turbo, and keep the stock fuel settings, but if I can tune and still drive fine everyday I'd really like to learn.
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FYI, ECMLink and DSMLink are the same people/product. You should definitely go with DSMLink over SAFC. More bang for the buck and a lot better tuning product with great support.

There's a wide array of turbos for daily driving. It all depends on the power you want to make. Find a power goal and build around it. Don't build blindly.
 
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blizz99 said:
FYI, ECMLink and DSMLink are the same people/product. You should definitely go with DSMLink over SAFC. More bang for the buck and a lot better tuning product with great support.

There's a wide array of turbos for daily driving. It all depends on the power you want to make. Find a power goal and build around it. Don't build blindly.
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Thanks for the clarrification, good to know. When you buy the dsmlink, is there instructions, or a tutorial of how to go about everything?
 
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1Gina2G said:
Thanks for the clarrification, good to know. When you buy the dsmlink, is there instructions, or a tutorial of how to go about everything?
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It comes with instructions and you'll have access to their forum which is probably the most helpful DSM forum around as far as tuning goes. There's a lot of tutorials floating around. I have a whole bunch on my laptop if you decide to get it I can send them to you.
 
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You can get pretty much any turbo that will bolt directly up to your OEM mani with an internal WG and keep it pretty drivable. It all just depends on your setup and your desires. The more you want out of it, the more you need to put into it. Basic rule of thumb there. I would start with the mod list and start working yourself along it. From the free mods, thru stages 1 and 2. If you find that you have reached where you would like to be, you can always stop along the path.
 
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There are so many turbos available out there now.. for a moderate price, you can simply choose the horsepower you want, add supporting mods, and be at 600hp with tuning help (dsmlink, aem, etc)... I know this comment can be picked apart, but overall i am correct.
Check extremepsi.com, and forcedperformance.com... pull out your credit card... I personally think the evo 3 16g is a great starter turbo with 400hp capabilities for the novice after LOTS OF "PRACTICE".. Its not too expensive, and it can be run at 20psi DD. But you will soon be demanding more power, so you will buy better stuff, start breaking stuff, and be somewhere between frustrated, and extremely happy, as ive been for the past 10 years! I can sell you a evo316g thats in great shape if you want, PM me.
 
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You could probably get away with getting a evo3 16g on low boost and a bigger fuel pump if your really conservitive.Eather way you will have to save for bigger injectors and something to tune with later if you plan on doing anything more faster then what the 14b puts out.
 
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Where's a good place to get the 14B rebuilt?

Is the small 16G the next size up from a 14B? If not, what would be?

Mostly intrested in the small 16G since it looks like I can drive on it with a stock tune and have room to upgrade, once I save up for all the fuel parts.

wouldn't it also be a good idea to invest in an adjustable fuel pressure regulator when I buy the turbo? Before tuning? I read the stock FPR is too small anyways. Changed the fuel filter to a nice bigger fuel-lab one with braided hoses, looks nice.
 
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You can send a pm to JusMX141 for the rebuilt, he rebuilds tons of turbos, he might even have one rebuilt ready to buy.

The small 16g would be the next step up in terms of turbos. (14b < S16G < B16G < EVOIII16G)

The FPR wouldn't be a bad idea for later but it really depends on how much power you intend on getting later,. You can easily get by with either a stock Evo pump or a Walbro 190 rewired with a 14b/16g which don't require an FPR (hence save money).
 
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Everyone's idea of streetable or a good DD is going to be different.

I loved the 14b (still do) so much, I have switched back to it a couple of times when prepping other bigger setups just to tool around in, especially in the 7cm2 housing.

I thoroughly enjoyed the S16G as well, it's rumored to be the most efficient of the 16Gs. From what maps I can find, it looks to be more efficient than the 14B wheel.

For me the "best" street/DD turbo I have come across was the S200sx (59-74) I ran for a couple years. In a couple of different housings, T3 .70 and .55 DSM.

If I were to do it again and use "only" a 59mm compressor, I would go with the twin-entry version and the 6-bolt discharge.

Was super torquey in the .55DSM housing, excellent top-end in the .70, and in my opinion the .85A/R twinscroll T3 would be the best of both worlds.

Great response and midrange, with excellent pump gas efficiency.

Now I am finding though, that with my particular driving style, which is getting more relaxed as I age a bigger turbo is best as I get better gas mileage from not crossing the boost threshold constantly.

But when you do, and put your toe in it.. my god the bigger compressors make for a fun ride.

An S300sx (91-79) would be a fun DD IMHO. And you can get one new for less than $750 if you look around.

So think about your driving style, demands and power/trap speed goals and go from there.

It's like when you hear people say XXX duration cam is un-streetable. I enjoy the 274* I have now on the street and will be moving to 280/276 or 288/280 after next season if I can't get the top end I'm looking for.

Because for the most part, I am just putting around like a grandma since it's a public road not a closed course. If I need to take off from the line for whatever reason I could always touch the two-step or from a roll I can drop a gear/brake boost.

As Carroll Shelby is rumored to have said "A good driver never experiences turbo lag." Take every opinion on DD options, mine included with a grain of salt. Lay out your goals and preferences and take it from there.

The 16G's, all of them, are a blast and what the car should've come with stock, but consider you will get drunk with power and want to upgrade. You will need more fuel pump and injector if you want to run more than 14-15psi (depending on air temp ofcourse) consequently with more injector you need a way to tune them this is mandatory, and depending on the quirks of your car and how big of a pump you get an AFPR would be advisable as you can start to overrun the stock FPR and fubar your factory tune..

So if you have to put down that sort of investment I would consider going a step or two up from the 16G as the 14B is pretty similar, save for the top end pull. Again my opinion of course.

Merry Christmas, and Good luck!
 
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If your going to get s16g might as well grab a evo 3. It has alot more potential in my opinion. I ran a 11.99 on a full weight 2g with it. I am planning on running that turbo again on my 1g hoping to run faster than that. Trust me a evo 3 at 25psi will make you smile!!! If you have all the supporting mods of course!
 
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pte6262 all the way... from extremepsi.com

it has on demand power, its the newest technology, and the most popular these days! trust me im going with it! Happy new year all! Pm me with any questions, i love to help!
 
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