Gs-t vs ms3 vs vr-4

[DSMMIKE413]

My friend cant decide between these three cars, i need some opinions on what he should get, like, what would be better in the long run, better response to mods, etc.

 

[agentorange313]

My friend cant decide between these three cars, i need some opinions on what he should get, like, what would be better in the long run, better response to mods, etc.

Well, since its a DSMtuners forum, you will get the most responses for a GS-T and a vr4, given its a Galant VR-4 (e39a).

I would expect the answers to be partial also, toward DSMs that is.

Also we have no background info, what is the car being used for? Drag, street, DD?


Is he buying a new car? One on the list is still manufactured while the others are part of history now. MS3 is a mazda speed 3 right?

 

[sexystover]

daily- ms3
just a "fun" car - vr4 or gst

like stated by agent orange the ms3 is still semi new (if were speking the old body style) if not the new ones are obviously still in production. and from being a previous mazda tech i will say id rather have to spend an hour in an ms3 then an hour in a dsm but i wouldnt buy an ms3 if i had plans to heavily mod it. they tend to blow up

 

[jared98gst]

Right outta the box speed 3 great stock power for the money, can't take em to far without bookoos of cash
Vr4, get the maintenance up to date and have a rare sick daily
If it's a 3kgt wrong forum haha
Gst... He better not be a lazy ass for either DSM

 

[Tyeler18]

Why not a gsx?

 

[Sebba]

I've driven both generations of the MS3, and here's my summation:

I've always liked Mazda and Mazdaspeed interiors. They use decent quality materials and the fit and finish is nice. Beyond that I didn't really like the car.

The clutch bites extremely low down and is very snappy. Caught me out the first time I moved the car :/ The car rides smoothly but it's really stiff, and I generally prefer a stiffer ride. Going into boost was fairly disappointing, I was expecting a lot more. I know that the MS3 limits torque till third gear to combat torque steer and wheelspin. Totally retarded method of 'fixing' the problem, just castrate the car... Moving on. I did like the way it went through the gears, smooth, accurate shifting. Nice. What killed this car for me was how it behaved when you drove it like an animal. I'm guessing due to the clutch biting so low, fast shifting requires an altered driving style (for me at least). There's so much throttle hang from the DBW system it infuriates me. I'm used to cable throttle and it just doesn't cut it for me.

I'm someone that likes to drive my car hard on a consistent basis, and I didn't find gear banging an MS3 to be enjoyable at all.When driving around town doing gear pulls between lights is fun, but beyond that I can't tolerate it. Not everyone drives the same though...

The VR4's I've always had a soft spot for. Great platform to build from, great engine, very capable of making power. They do come with their problems though. The earlier ones are known for spun bearings and leaky t-cases. They are also more expensive to modify, and harder because of the decreased engine bay wiggle room. That killed it for me.

DSM's are a good compromise because there's nothing that platform can't do. It's easy to work on, parts are readily available at an affordable price, etc. DSM's are not in the same league as any modern hatchback like the MS3, and if you buddy is just looking for a car he can learn how to mod and just drive, then he probably would prefer the MS3.

 

[dsm94]

Galant vr4!

 

[91tizzy]

tell him to not touch any dsm....save them for me! He wants a mazduh

 

[Ambitions]

hard decision, vr4 all the way!

 

[white92talontsi]

We tuned a MS3 on Cobb yesterday and IMHO it sucks.

 

[sexystover]

I've driven both generations of the MS3, and here's my summation:

I've always liked Mazda and Mazdaspeed interiors. They use decent quality materials and the fit and finish is nice. Beyond that I didn't really like the car.

The clutch bites extremely low down and is very snappy. Caught me out the first time I moved the car :/ The car rides smoothly but it's really stiff, and I generally prefer a stiffer ride. Going into boost was fairly disappointing, I was expecting a lot more. I know that the MS3 limits torque till third gear to combat torque steer and wheelspin. Totally retarded method of 'fixing' the problem, just castrate the car... Moving on. I did like the way it went through the gears, smooth, accurate shifting. Nice. What killed this car for me was how it behaved when you drove it like an animal. I'm guessing due to the clutch biting so low, fast shifting requires an altered driving style (for me at least). There's so much throttle hang from the DBW system it infuriates me. I'm used to cable throttle and it just doesn't cut it for me.

I'm someone that likes to drive my car hard on a consistent basis, and I didn't find gear banging an MS3 to be enjoyable at all.When driving around town doing gear pulls between lights is fun, but beyond that I can't tolerate it. Not everyone drives the same though...

The VR4's I've always had a soft spot for. Great platform to build from, great engine, very capable of making power. They do come with their problems though. The earlier ones are known for spun bearings and leaky t-cases. They are also more expensive to modify, and harder because of the decreased engine bay wiggle room. That killed it for me.

DSM's are a good compromise because there's nothing that platform can't do. It's easy to work on, parts are readily available at an affordable price, etc. DSM's are not in the same league as any modern hatchback like the MS3, and if you buddy is just looking for a car he can learn how to mod and just drive, then he probably would prefer the MS3.

i too hated the throttle hang caused by the DBW system when driving them but as far as power output the new ms3 is no slouch out of the box, but i havnt really seen them take well to mods

 

[Steve93Talon]

09-up Ralliart - Mitsu power, easy to mod, SST trans, and 5 dr hatch available like the MS3 (sportback).

 

[SY1100]

I have my gvr4 I use for dd and I enjoy it a lot. I already have parts piling up to upgrade/update the car. Not to mention there are not to many left.