Ground wire kit

[Dream_Of_Eagle]

does any 1 know the site that has the pics of the home made ground kit
i seen it before i just cant seem to find it any more

 

[91TSi FWD]

I made my own from 8 guage wire. Didn't notice anything. The red wire is the ground wire.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/sh...764742806c5c245f12909b3&sort=2&cat=500&page=1

 

[sakrafice]

Yea, its a waste of money, I used to know a site that tested it, ill try to look it up. But u wont notice really anything.

 

[dave99gst]

make it yourself. If ya dont think it does ANYTHING take them off and rev your car. see how the ECU likes it. Its worth doing, as far as making it yourself. not worth $30

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[redturbo66]

DO IT BRO! It's definitely worth it. You'll be happy you did. For so cheap, what's it gonna hurt?

 

[cubedmayhem]

I will just make one. I do have the plenty of 8 gauge wire. Just one question, before i just run everything does anyone know what all should be regrounded?

 

[98RedGs]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55049&highlight=Grounding+points
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75179&highlight=Grounding+points
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85717&highlight=Grounding+points
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52041&highlight=Grounding+points
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110740&highlight=Grounding+points



http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75889&highlight=Grounding+points
The Vfaq We Have Posted

There.
Searching is easy.

 

[cubedmayhem]

98redgs you are the %#$@^&% man. Thank you guys so much for all the feedback and help. Rock on guys

 

[river]

I was wondering if this ground wire pattern is the same for the 1G's? here is the link
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75889
I was thinking about doing this to my 1G but dont know if it will work the same way as on his 2G.

 

[rjdavis21]

ive heard about this...what does it actually do and is real power felt from it?

 

[dave99gst]

2g isnt the exact same routing - ya just replace the factory wires with new ones.

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[river]

here is a link to something that import tuner did where they installed a ground wire kit that they toyed with and got a maximum GAIN of 9 HP from a ground wire kit! scroll down to dyno run # 4 and look at the kit, read about it and read the gains they got from it through the RPM ranges.

http://importtuner.com/tech/0308it_pptalon/

 

[Stapl3]

All it does is correct faulty stock wiring--if there is any.

This is not a performance mod.

 

[Stapl3]

here is a link to something that import tuner did where they installed a ground wire kit that they toyed with and got a maximum GAIN of 9 HP from a ground wire kit! scroll down to dyno run # 4 and look at the kit, read about it and read the gains they got from it through the RPM ranges.

http://importtuner.com/tech/0308it_pptalon/

That car caught on fire prior to the testing. You can imagine how well the stock wiring was.

 

[river]

All it does is correct faulty stock wiring--if there is any.

This is not a performance mod.

i very well understand that, i just wanted feedback on it. it obviously makes a difference, maybe not a performance mod, but apparently it DID help throughout the powerband. that was the only mod they did for that dyno run, so explain how it doesnt help if that is what your are saying. for 15 dollars or so i dont believe this to be a bad investment of time and money, especially if it proves more effective and really if it does in fact have HP gain potential.

 

[WSU99GSX]

dave99gst might have the right idea, instead of adding alot of extra cable to your engine bay, just replace what is there with some better stuff. How much cable did you get there Dave? And is that 4ga?

 

[rjdavis21]

i notice alot of the nissan 240 guys do it but i guess it doesnt do to much for the DSM?

 

[dave99gst]

dave99gst might have the right idea, instead of adding alot of extra cable to your engine bay, just replace what is there with some better stuff. How much cable did you get there Dave? And is that 4ga?

i acualy had all that laying around - its both 4 and 8 gauge. Just the ground dont require that many feet to replace (prob 2-3 feet at the most). The quality of the wires does make some differance in performance, ya can read some articles about hyper-grounding systems and dyno runs etc in alot of the s/c-tuner mags.

 

[Nerfherder]

i very well understand that, i just wanted feedback on it. it obviously makes a difference, maybe not a performance mod, but apparently it DID help throughout the powerband. that was the only mod they did for that dyno run, so explain how it doesnt help if that is what your are saying. for 15 dollars or so i dont believe this to be a bad investment of time and money, especially if it proves more effective and really if it does in fact have HP gain potential.

It ain't gonna cost 15 dollars. My ground wire kit, following the instructions in the thread you hyperlinked, costed a little over 90 bucks. If you count the new Monster Cable battery terminals I bought, then it costed 160 bucks. I chose the best ground wire I could find (4GA) and it costed 48 bucks for 23 feet. I bought the "crimp-style" gold ring connectors at about 32 bucks. Solder and a mini-torch costed 15 bucks or so. If you want those cool solderless gold connectors like dave99 has, then you're looking at 8 bucks a piece for those. HKS sells the "circle earth" universal kit for about 120 shipped, if you look in the right place. It has 8GA wire, but it has a beautiful junction terminal. After the cost and time spent on my setup, I would recommend going with the HKS kit.

 

[gsx951]

google up some shit on basic electronics and ohm's law to help remove some of the mystery here. this is just like spark plug wires in that, unless you have an existing problem, you will see ZERO benefit from new wires.
conductors do corrode and turn to poop but are easily checked with a meter.
if you are wanting to do this for what ever reason DO NOT buy one of those damned kits! go to http://www.partsexpress.com/ and get what you need dirt cheap.

be aware that jack asses will come up with all kinds of pseudo-scientific explanations as to why you NEED their junk, it's usually a lie.

 

[Darksyne]

Instead of reposting my reply to the same question from 2 days ago, I'll just include a link to the other thread

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150760

 

[Nerfherder]

My car idled kind of rough and I had some alternator noise in my stereo, which is upgraded with 4 tweeters, amps, etc. My car also kind of lugged a little on startup. After the grounding kit, all of those problems went away. I'm not saying I got a power increase; I'm just saying the car feels like it runs, accelerates and starts more smoothly. I, also, had a small surge around 5K rpm when I was WOT in 1st gear. The grounding got rid of that, too. As wires get old and dirty/corroded, their resistance increases. You have electricity in your car because electrons are traveling from the negative side of your battery post, through your frame, into your electrical components, and back out to your positive terminal. The less resistance you create, the better electrons flow and the less stress you put on your electrical components. Simple as that. Do it if you want to, don't if you don't.

 

[gsx951]

My car idled kind of rough and I had some alternator noise in my stereo, which is upgraded with 4 tweeters, amps, etc. My car also kind of lugged a little on startup. After the grounding kit, all of those problems went away. I'm not saying I got a power increase; I'm just saying the car feels like it runs, accelerates and starts more smoothly. I, also, had a small surge around 5K rpm when I was WOT in 1st gear. The grounding got rid of that, too. As wires get old and dirty/corroded, their resistance increases. You have electricity in your car because electrons are traveling from the negative side of your battery post, through your frame, into your electrical components, and back out to your positive terminal. The less resistance you create, the better electrons flow and the less stress you put on your electrical components. Simple as that. Do it if you want to, don't if you don't.

as i stated, you had a preexisting condition. your audio system picked up noise because your grounds were faulty and there is/was a difference in voltage between the head unit and your amp. that turns your audio wiring into an antenna for capturing the radiated ignition noise.
the fix for that is no where near $120 though. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=095-655
where besides your starter do you have a 4 gauge ground? you're not grounding your audio to the battery are you? i'm trying to picture where that much 4 ga. could go.

 

[Nerfherder]

Yeah, I had a pre-existing problem brought on by my stock ground wiring being corroded or dirty. The grounding points were fine. It's hard to get dirt underneath a bolt torqued to 40 in/lbs. I used approx 15 ft of 4GA wire for the "grounding kit" done as shown on the "how-to" thread hyperlinked earlier in this thread. I then used 2ft for the battery ground cable and a couple more feet for the positive battery cable. I think I had a foot or so left over. Using your website, I could have completed the same job for $71 + $10 for shipping, which comes to $81. With the wire I used, which is better, I paid a little over 90 bucks and didn't have to wait for shipping. If you're trying to tell us all how smart you are, just tell us.

 

[gsx951]

Yeah, I had a pre-existing problem brought on by my stock ground wiring being corroded or dirty. The grounding points were fine. It's hard to get dirt underneath a bolt torqued to 40 in/lbs. I used approx 15 ft of 4GA wire for the "grounding kit" done as shown on the "how-to" thread hyperlinked earlier in this thread. I then used 2ft for the battery ground cable and a couple more feet for the positive battery cable. I think I had a foot or so left over. Using your website, I could have completed the same job for $71 + $10 for shipping, which comes to $81. With the wire I used, which is better, I paid a little over 90 bucks and didn't have to wait for shipping. If you're trying to tell us all how smart you are, just tell us.

You just don't get it.... Google up ohm's law, read it, and tell the class why you are running 4 gauge grounds. if you plumbed your bathroom in 3" copper, would it make your toilet work any better? No.
This is all a bunch of nonsense.

 

[river]

i dont know where you all are buying these outrageously expesive chunks of wire at, but here in AK i can go to any audio shop and buy about 20 ft of 8 gauge wiring for about 25 bucks, all Directed Audio wire...which i feel is pretty good wire. i think even for up to 50 bucks this may be benifitial to some people. none the less, i dont think it would hurt to do this. but my first question still exists....will his diagram work for a 1G??