Going up from a 50trim question

[mitsubishigirlfriend]

Now is a good time for me to upgrade my turbo before sending to dyno. I have a slow boy racing 50trim and was reading it maxes out at 450hp(if this is incorrect let me know).

I have some money burning a hole in my pocket and would like to upgrade manifolds. If someday I go even bigger to a 35r or something I would like to buy the manifold once not twice. It will be a daily driver but after all the money it would be nice to break 500. I was told a 35r at low boost runs like garbage and to support a 35r is over 10k of upgrades from my current spot.

So I ask you dsm'ers to go shopping for me , what combo should I run? From your experience what is a good streetable turbo. I am prepared to buy all the supporting mods if I need to upgrade something. I am probably buying a jm fab intake with a BBK 75mm throttle body. What else can I wisely spend some cash on? I maybe forgetting some mods i'm tired. If you see any weakness in the build let me know.

note after tune I will be putting a shep stage 4 transmission in, but after his reccomendations I will get it tuned with stock transmission then upgrade.

List of Mods:
6bolt swap
Slowboy Manifold with external waste
Tial 38mm Copper wastegate
Slowboy 50trim
pte 880 injectors
-8an in -6an to A1000
Dejon FMIC long route (waiting to upgrade until i know what turbo if bigger)
HKS Atmospheric BOV
Dejon Intake with K&N
HKS timing belt
Fidanza Adjustable cam gears
Wally 255
NX Express NTercooler spray 5lb bottle
Battery relocated in trunk
DSM link Zietronics Wideband
Phantom boost gauge
Phantom temp gauge
Mishimoto Radiator

bronze valve guides
1mm over Ferrea valves
Titanium BC retainers And BC springs kit
BC 272/272 Cams
Wiesco forged pistons
Eagle Rods
ARP Everything
Polished and balanced crank

ACT 2600 kit
all new suspension
MR ez street suspension on order (backordered not again)
Ported 02
Punishment Racing Downpipe
Thermal R&D catback 3"
3" Test Pipe
Wider 94? mustang rims/tires
Drilled and slotted rotors

 

[92AWDHX40]

Have you looked at some of the punishment manifolds on the site, or any where esle, youll have some prices, there, maybe a used manifold, how about t 3 manifold.

 

[RadDsm]

With those mods, I don't see why you couldn't run a 35r if you wanted to.

 

[Lou98GSX]

gt 3076r size turbo . i had a 50 trim fp green and upgraded to a 57 trim and the increase in power wasn't that much

 

[JusMX141]

I'd advise against the 35R unless this is going to be a well-funded race-only car. I just spent $806 on a CHRA exchange for a friend of mine who had a plain old cast GT3582R with a damaged turbine wheel...and that was still cheaper than a new CHRA at $1099.

Compare this to a popular journal bearing turbo where a new turbine is under $250 and most parts kits are under $150.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Look at my specs, I run a 35R on my 214k mile old stock 7 bolt. Love it more than my 16G, my 50 trim, and my 57 trim as well.

I personally like the PR T3 manifolds bro, that coupled with a 35R, that' some serious shit right there.

Either that, or you can look intoa Holset HX-40, believe the 7 blade ones are the ones that flow upwards of 70 lbs/min. Great turbos. If you need more info or have any questions hit me up.

***note: I am not T3, I still run the Mitsu Flange which is holding me back. But it is what it is for now.

EDIT: Justin ninja'd his post in before mine and I just saw it. I will add to his post though. There are better and cheaper options out there. Although the 35R in my eyes is proven and great turbo, you can find something or a combination that will give you better results, and by results I don't mean just peak #'s. I'm talking about better driveability, powerband, more torque, etc. I just have always been a fan and I think I have even mentioned that to Justin in the past, I love it, and I finally owned the turbo I wanted. But it isn't for everyone. Research my friend, although we are here to help, the more you read the better it'll be and the better of a choice you'll be able to make.

 

[trboeclpse98]

I would go with a T3 turbo manifold and a ball bearing gt35r with v-band exit, gt35r's spool pretty quickly at around 3800 rpm, most aftermarket downpipes will eliminate the catalytic converter, you can even get one custom made to connect directly to the turbo and eliminate the O2 housing for less chances of exhaust leaks. I had a friend making around 600hp on a 35r running about 36psi on it and I have a friend now now making around 450hp with a holset hx35 running 28psi on a stock 6 bolt motor, the stock 6 bolt motor should be able to handle around 500hp when tuned properly.

 

[Lou98GSX]

i looked at your profile and i had to ditch the hafe manifold couldn't run high boost with it because it doesn't have the divider at the collector . the exhaust gasses were slamming against each other holding me back.

 

[Chicken Patty]

I would go with a T3 turbo manifold and a ball bearing gt35r with v-band exit, gt35r's spool pretty quickly at around 3800 rpm, most aftermarket downpipes will eliminate the catalytic converter, you can even get one custom made to connect directly to the turbo and eliminate the O2 housing for less chances of exhaust leaks. I had a friend making around 600hp on a 35r running about 36psi on it and I have a friend now now making around 450hp with a holset hx35 running 28psi on a stock 6 bolt motor, the stock 6 bolt motor should be able to handle around 500hp when tuned properly.

Is that spool time on a stock motor? I see 23 psi at about 4100rpm's, then by 4300-4400 I see 27-28ish psi in 3rd. 2nd I hit full boost at around 4600-4700rpm's and in fourth its well under 4k . Unless that's the gear you are referring to in regards to that spool time you posted above.

 

[trboeclpse98]

When running higher boost levels it does take the 35r a little longer to reach full boost, and it also depends on your engine setup.

 

[mitsubishigirlfriend]

I've always wanted a 35r. I was drawn to punishments 35r kit with manifold and waste. It's around 3k. A dsm builder told me it's like 20 k (I said 10 cause I was embarrassed)of upgrades but I don't see where. I do like the futuristic realism of maintenance in prior post.

Of course I'll need a transmission and the kit so i see around 5k
Fuel rail
Injections
Double pump
Coil on plugs?
What am I missing that costs so much?

I ordered a pair of bride digo gradition. Can anyone recommend a bracket that doesn't take modifications. Maybe a link thanks I've regained my faith in dsmers after leaving the site from only rude arguing posts.

 

[Chicken Patty]

When running higher boost levels it does take the 35r a little longer to reach full boost, and it also depends on your engine setup.

That's why I had asked which engine setup it was.

I've always wanted a 35r. I was drawn to punishments 35r kit with manifold and waste. It's around 3k. A dsm builder told me it's like 20 k (I said 10 cause I was embarrassed)of upgrades but I don't see where.

Of course I'll need a transmission and the kit so i see around 5k
Fuel rail
Injections
Double pump
Coil on plugs?
What am I missing that costs so much?

20k? WTF...

Anyhow:

Fuel rail - I know someone who made 750whp on stock rail. it was built with 6266 30+psi, built and tuned by ASAP. Not needed for about 500whp, but sure why not if you can afford it.
Injections - you mean injectors? What fuel you plan on running? 880's can get you to 500whp if staying on pump gas/race gas. Not on E85.
Double pump - again, if pump, one rewired Walbro 255 is enough
Coil on plugs? 100's of 700+ and 800+whp DSM's run on stock ignition. Nope, not needed.

 

[mitsubishigirlfriend]

Lol sorry typing with my s3. Haven't turned autocorrect off yet.

So you think I could run a 35r at 5-600 with no issues? Meaning the turbo will like it and not feel bad.

I will run pump gas.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Lol sorry typing with my s3. Haven't turned autocorrect off yet.

So you think I could run a 35r at 5-600 with no issues? Meaning the turbo will like it and not feel bad.

I will run pump gas.

I don't see any issues. If staying on pump you should be ready to go. Just need to get your manifold/turbo and that's it. You know, plus all the other smaller things you need to bolt up the turbo etc. When you get the 35R make sure you get this if you get it Dual Ball Bearing. It'll save the life of your turbo. Any Garret Dual Ball Bearing I believe needs this Oil Restrictor.

Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP -4 AN Inline Filter

 

[rockysgsx]

Look at my specs, I run a 35R on my 214k mile old stock 7 bolt. Love it more than my 16G, my 50 trim, and my 57 trim as well.

I personally like the PR T3 manifolds bro, that coupled with a 35R, that' some serious shit right there.

Either that, or you can look intoa Holset HX-40, believe the 7 blade ones are the ones that flow upwards of 70 lbs/min. Great turbos. If you need more info or have any questions hit me up.

***note: I am not T3, I still run the Mitsu Flange which is holding me back. But it is what it is for now.

EDIT: Justin ninja'd his post in before mine and I just saw it. I will add to his post though. There are better and cheaper options out there. Although the 35R in my eyes is proven and great turbo, you can find something or a combination that will give you better results, and by results I don't mean just peak #'s. I'm talking about better driveability, powerband, more torque, etc. I just have always been a fan and I think I have even mentioned that to Justin in the past, I love it, and I finally owned the turbo I wanted. But it isn't for everyone. Research my friend, although we are here to help, the more you read the better it'll be and the better of a choice you'll be able to make.

ok so i run a CX racing GT35 turbo with jornal bearings and from what i have found it is suppose to make 500+hp but also heard that it maxes out at 25psi and i just got this turbo from local shop and they had it in a truck then swapped it out for a borgwarner turbo and this doesnt even have 300 miles on it and they only ran 9psi on it but now does anyone know exactly what this turbo max boost would be because i have fully built motor that it's being bolted to and wanna push just about every bit of boost out of it as i can... thanks for any info

 

[RadDsm]

ok so i run a CX racing GT35 turbo with jornal bearings and from what i have found it is suppose to make 500+hp but also heard that it maxes out at 25psi and i just got this turbo from local shop and they had it in a truck then swapped it out for a borgwarner turbo and this doesnt even have 300 miles on it and they only ran 9psi on it but now does anyone know exactly what this turbo max boost would be because i have fully built motor that it's being bolted to and wanna push just about every bit of boost out of it as i can... thanks for any info

Hope you have better luck than Justin's friend.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/299821-ebay-knockoff-gt35r-testing.html

 

[lowell]

Don't write off the 50 trim just yet. I made 497 on a Mustang and 540 on a Dynapack with a DSM bolt on 50 trim, stock tbody, ported stock intake, pump gas with methanol spray. DNP header, ebay o2 housing. 10.9 and 134mph.

 

[97-TSi-Hx35]

I've always wanted a 35r. I was drawn to punishments 35r kit with manifold and waste. It's around 3k. A dsm builder told me it's like 20 k (I said 10 cause I was embarrassed)of upgrades but I don't see where. I do like the futuristic realism of maintenance in prior post.

Of course I'll need a transmission and the kit so i see around 5k
Fuel rail
Injections
Double pump
Coil on plugs?
What am I missing that costs so much?

I ordered a pair of bride digo gradition. Can anyone recommend a bracket that doesn't take modifications. Maybe a link thanks I've regained my faith in dsmers after leaving the site from only rude arguing posts.

I feel like you are just making shit up just for conversation sake, you clam you have -8 fuel line (thats 1/2") with a walbro and an a1000 that's enough fuel for 700+ hp, why in the hell would you need a 3rd pump to make 450hp?

and as far as an intake manifold and a 75mm bbk you wont need that until about 700hp

 

[Dert]

I have the punishment big tube manifold hot pipe kit with a PTE 6235r wich is basically a billet 6262 compressor wheel mated with a 35r turbine wheel. Basically its a 6262 with the spool of a 35r. Its Rated for 680hp hits full boost at around 4400 rpm (I'm running 25psi wich is way below the turbos potential) the punishment t3 manifold is an amazing piece of work. I'm pretty happy with it, I'd steer clear of pte journal bearing turbos tho, although their design has seemed to have improved with the newer models. I'm running stock rail, rewired 255, fic 650's, tank to rail braided lines, fuel lab filter, fuel lab afpr, arp head studs, cometic gasket, stock bottom end, speed density, link V3. Running 70% idc's at 25psi of boost with this setup on 94 pump gas.

 

[mitsubishigirlfriend]

Dert, I do like your idea. As well as all the other support. I definetely want the the PR t3. And Ive run stock boost on a 16g and a 50trim for so long while fixing all the BS the prior owner left me. The turbos on stock boost didnt seem like they ran too crapy with 9 psi to them. So I imagine a 35r on about 25psi wont be pushed to its limits and yet still put down decent power.

How much horse are you getting out of yours dert?

 

[Dert]

Hard to say, hasn't been dyno'd yet with this turbo on it. The nearest dyno is 3 hrs away although I have heard that my city (Lethbridge) has just recently got 2 from what I heard. I have no idea the location or name of the 2 shops but I can guarantee the will be muscle shops as that's all there is around here. 350's everywhere I did talk to a friend of a friend who had his z06 vette twin turbo'd and tuned at 1 of the shops and took him for a quick pull and even he was grinning and shaking his head saying "this thing is rediculous" ( talking about my car) I'm hoping for 420range I don't wanna push too much on the stock bottom end. Keep in mind I'm only running 25psi so the 6235 hasn't even come close to actually waking up. Pte says its a 70+ lb/min turbo, people have seen 60lb/min @30 psi.

 

[rockysgsx]

Hope you have better luck than Justin's friend.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/299821-ebay-knockoff-gt35r-testing.html

well i am sorry to inform you but last i checked CX racing is a actual company and build good turbos .. yes they started out as what everyone concidered ( ebay crap ) and built themselves into a nice company with good products and i have ran into quiet a few others that use their turbos for not just dsm's but other cars and say good things as long as a person doesnt abuse thw turbo and push it too hard which alot of us seem to do especially with what we modify our cars to do and also change oild on regular basis and maintance like a person should turbos do last.. like for example i bought a Godspeed 16G and i got over 4,000 miles on it running 20 psi and when i pulled it off to do my motor build its still didnt have any shaft play at all.. maybe i got ( lucky )?? who knows but i like how some people just shoot down anything that some companies sell on ebay.. just because its being sold on ebay doenst always mean its a POS

 

[trboeclpse98]

well i am sorry to inform you but last i checked CX racing is a actual company and build good turbos .. yes they started out as what everyone concidered ( ebay crap ) and built themselves into a nice company with good products and i have ran into quiet a few others that use their turbos for not just dsm's but other cars and say good things as long as a person doesnt abuse thw turbo and push it too hard which alot of us seem to do especially with what we modify our cars to do and also change oild on regular basis and maintance like a person should turbos do last.. like for example i bought a Godspeed 16G and i got over 4,000 miles on it running 20 psi and when i pulled it off to do my motor build its still didnt have any shaft play at all.. maybe i got ( lucky )?? who knows but i like how some people just shoot down anything that some companies sell on ebay.. just because its being sold on ebay doenst always mean its a POS

Isn't that why we have turbos? CX is still a Chinese company that still makes the same old stuff with just a little more quality than before but still not as good and a real company such as Garrett., FP or PTE.

 

[Chicken Patty]

^^yeah thats true. Some of those companies have stepped it up but you still can't compare the quality, not even close. But hey, if it's working for him, then it's working.

 

[JusMX141]

well i am sorry to inform you but last i checked CX racing is a actual company and build good turbos ..

Last I checked CX Racing doesn't build dick. They're an importer/distributor, not a manufacturer.

What they do is charge a little more than other sellers, offer a better warranty than other sellers, and when one of their turbos takes a shit they send you a new one. They're going on the basis that if you buy one and it stays together long enough to be out of warranty, then they've profited a ton off of your sale. If they have to give you a free one, it still doesn't matter because they're most likely buying these turbos in lots of (500) at a price of $50 a piece.