Going to the track E-85 or 110????

[Jonnynitrous]

I got a good question. where i live we ain't got E-85 but every track that i go to does and also there is 110 available.I am looking to go to the track run as fast as my stuff will let me. which fuel would be a better fuel to get familar with???
91 talon awd
fmic
255 reg
going with the dsmlinkv3
got a b16g may end up with a 20g before spring
go to get a exhaust still

oh and i am cheap

please help
I herd you guys are awesome
going to need some tuning values too

 

[Blurred Talon]

110.
You need big injectors for E85 and I think new lines but don't quote me on that.

Plus you will need to retune your car for the 110.

 

[JayRolla]

Agreed, like stated you would need larger injectors to handle the e85. Just use the 110 and go to town. And I hope he knows he has to retune. No reason to use 110 octane unless you are going to be running higher boost and timing along with leaner AFR's than what would be used on pump gas.

 

[doubleclutch99]

judging from the statement you made i would go 110 . big injectors arent cheap and cheap injectors aint worth a shit. you can take the same size injectors and go from 93 to 110 and make power . but if you want to run e85 you have to jump injector size to make the same power.

 

[Jonnynitrous]

Ok it seems were stuck on injector size...what size injectors should i go with and do i need the bigger fuel line? this is no problem if this is the way to go.
ya i know that i would have to retune what would the be the differance in the timing department be between the two???
why would i want to run leaner?
are fic850s junk?

 

[ontario AWD]

Since you are running v3,just grab a set of 1000cc injectors.Seing as you can't get the e85 on every corner,i would go with a meth injection system so you could run pump gas with the same results as the 110 every day.

 

[Mr_mkelly]

110 is for sissies..C16 for the win!

 

[2gboosted]

you can run roughly 650s or bigger for injectors and run e85 on a big 16g at full boost. your duty cycle will be pretty close to max. i have a freind that maxd out 850s running e85 on a 60-1 dbb on something like 20psi or so. im not sure on the boost. honestly i would say e85 if you can get it. the price of 110 is way high. and the oct. of 85 is like 108-113 octane. i would go with 850s and run e85. its a lil rougher to tune but iv heard and seen people gain some horse power and in the long run it would probly be cheaper since your not spending threw the ass for 110. you buy some good 850s. a good tune and pay like 2.25 a gal for some high oct. fuel. thats just my 2 cents

 

[smallturbo]

E85 will be safer, cheaper, and make more power for you. With your DSMLink you should go with 1000cc injectors and you will have plenty of fuel. The reasoning you hear issues with fuel lines and E85 is because some of the rubbers the lines are made of can be eaten away, because E85 is alcahol. A good thought for injector size is that E85 burns 30% leaner than gasoline, so the size you need for pump gas take that and increase it 30% and you should have the size injector you need. As for a fuel line it is not nessesary. I have ran E85 for 2 years with the stock line and never had an issue. DSM's do not have many issues with E85 because there fuel lines are mostly metal. If you do choose to upgrade the fuel feed line is all you nessesarly need to upgrade. A -8 feed line in Aeroquip pushlock should give you plenty of fuel, you will far max out your pump before that fuel line.

 

[thomcasey]

With a 255, I would recommend a AFPR, since the 255 will over-run the stock AFPR.

 

[Mr_mkelly]

He has afpr already, and arent fic 850's good for like 600crank hp with a rising rate regulator?

Also whats a walbro 255 good for? hp rating?

 

[b00st3d4g63]

I think the 255 is rated to like 60 lbs per min rewired.

http://store.forcedperformance.net/...FP&Product_Code=WalGSS&Category_Code=DSM-Fuel

FP says its good for 600 hp??

 

[dexterholland04]

In order to run e85, upgraded fuel delivery is a must and one has to eliminate any bare metals, such as Aluminum, Magnesium, or rubber in the system as alcohol-based fuels will corrode/eat away at these parts. You will need at a minimum:
--Walbro 255
--AFPR
--1000cc+ Injectors (The bigger the better)
--Non-paper (Metal or Fiberglass) fuel filter

It would also be a good idea to go with a -6 fuel feed and return lines if you plan on running e85 daily. You will also need to re-tune the car, and make some changes in DSMLink to your fuel trims because e85 has a lower stoicheometric ratio than pump gas, therefore requiring more fuel. I just finished converting my fuel system for the safe and reliable use of e85. The way I view it is: spend a little now, to save a lot later. Not to mention that you can make great power on e85.

 

[Jonnynitrous]

E85 will be safer, cheaper, and make more power for you. With your DSMLink you should go with 1000cc injectors and you will have plenty of fuel. The reasoning you hear issues with fuel lines and E85 is because some of the rubbers the lines are made of can be eaten away, because E85 is alcahol. A good thought for injector size is that E85 burns 30% leaner than gasoline, so the size you need for pump gas take that and increase it 30% and you should have the size injector you need. As for a fuel line it is not nessesary. I have ran E85 for 2 years with the stock line and never had an issue. DSM's do not have many issues with E85 because there fuel lines are mostly metal. If you do choose to upgrade the fuel feed line is all you nessesarly need to upgrade. A -8 feed line in Aeroquip pushlock should give you plenty of fuel, you will far max out your pump before that fuel line.

What makes e85 safer?

 

[doubleclutch99]

higher octane fuel . less chance of knock with higher boost.

 

[Mr_mkelly]

you guys arent reading...we dont have E85 here...its not going to be a daily driven e85 car. STAY ON TOPIC!

We can GET e85 but only when we go down to a race track 6 hours away.
We can get race gas there as well. He was asking whats better and whats easier.

 

[donniekak]

What makes e85 safer?

It is a more forgiving fuel to tune, than gasoline fuels.

 

[50trimgst]

110 if you can't get e85 all the time I would run e85 if it was easy to get. It's not something you can just run with out supporting mods.

 

[Jonnynitrous]

So would you say i do or don't have the supporting mods to run e85.
double clutch mentioned meth... is this true you'll get the same hps running a meth injection as running 110??? we're talkin water/meth or straight meth?
I like any insight i can get.I haven't really got a good rock soild answer yet but i think we're getting close. i understand e85 is cheap and corrosive and requiers bigger injectors.and 110 is not cheap(but not a big deal seeings that i am not at the track every day)so what would be the better route still not clear????

 

[yepes281]

E85 isnt corrosive, but supposevly it gunks up on your injectors, but ive also heard this is a regional thing.

Can you use a bottle of fuel system cleaner with e85?

But if your only going to run it at the track 110 is the way to go, e85 for daily use.

 

[skatershawn]

IMO... i wouldn't go E85... im in love with the cleanliness of the corn fuel!
But yes if you dont' want to fork out the cash for new injectors tune for 110!!
:/

and no its ideal to upgrade fuel lines but the stock lines are proven, on here by experience, to last quite some time!

ALSO.. its DAMN easy to pop you injectors out to give them a nice scrub down if needed!


good luck

 

[Jonnynitrous]

O.K thanks what kind or hp level could be reach with 110 would we be in the 400 -450 range?
I guess a easyer question would be what are some of the peoples best times on 110?

 

[Mr_mkelly]

I think thats too general of a question...all depends on set-up.

110 running a 14b isnt going to be the same as running a GT40 with 110 at the same pressure.


If you run your big 16g, i will bet you should get a 12.8 out of it.
If you run my 20g, I will bet 12.00

 

[standard235]

Evo 510 injectors and a AFPR on E85. No tune.

But it's not optimal at all. Go with at least 950's on E85.

 

[smallturbo]

E85 isnt corrosive, but supposevly it gunks up on your injectors, but ive also heard this is a regional thing.

Can you use a bottle of fuel system cleaner with e85?

But if your only going to run it at the track 110 is the way to go, e85 for daily use.

I wouldnt run injector cleaner through the fuel system with E85. The best way to clean the injectors with injector cleaner is taking then injectors out and soaking them in the cleaner for a few hours.

you guys arent reading...we dont have E85 here...its not going to be a daily driven e85 car. STAY ON TOPIC!

We can GET e85 but only when we go down to a race track 6 hours away.
We can get race gas there as well. He was asking whats better and whats easier.

Better-E85
Easier-110

Both are most likely going to requre the same modifications due to what you already have on you car. With that said you are going to see better performance with E85 than 110 race gas. Problem is when your done at the track you will need to run as much of the E85 out of your tank as possible and switch tunes. With 110 you will most likely need to still switch tunes but mixing 110 with normal pump gas will most likely have a lesser affect on air fuel ratios.

PS: Unless your looking to get over 450whp you will not have a need to upgrade the fuel feed line.