first engine build would like some advice/help

[charleso89]

hi im building a 4g63t. Im currently looking into a decent turbo kit on ebay. And still finishing the engine itself. But i need help i dont know what size fuel injectors ill need. Or if ill need a better fuel pump. Also need to buy engine mounts hopefully for a semi cheep price. But not sure where to find them. I will add alot more info and pics after i can get my car here and parts out of storage thanks for the help. My budget is limited so i cant dump alot of money out of no where but will save up almost any amount. i was thinking of getting a ebay kit wich has every turbo part house clamp and everything id need. And then upgrade to a better name brand turbo after brake in period of motor. same with the bov and turbo timer. since like i said do have a limited amount of money and it would have everything

 

[Boostinsideways]

Just google "2g DSM Prothane Inserts"

Don't for the love of god by an ebay turbo kit.

 

[Aproductions]

Go on the classifieds here and look for some evo injectors, they go for like 100 dollars. Then get a walbro 255lph and rewire it. Get the pro thane poly inserts like stated above.

And honestly, don't get a ebay POS turbo, either contact Justin for one or buy a new or used 16g.

Sorry, but what are your goals and budget?

 

[mattasi]

find the turbo first then figure out the injectors. Motor mounts are not expensive unless you pay someone to install them. Road race enginerring has good prothane motor mounts, thats what I used.

x2 on, do not get an ebay turbo. I got an ebay evo 16g turbo for free and I still wouldn't use it.. Sold it..

 

[ed1380]

Used mhi16g-300
Used fic550 injectors -150
New Walbro 190lph-80
Or used evo fuel pump- 50-60.
Used safc-150

 

[crand]

Don't go cheap or ebay on anything... it maybe cheap now but it'll cost ya later. Also start in and work out.. depending on what your going for hp wise I guess but forged internals good tires, clutch etc

 

[charleso89]

i do have a limited budget. wich is why i am thinkin kit off of ebay to brake in the engine. i am going to put a hks exhaust megan down pipe and some decent headers on it. I am like every one else trying to make a one of a kind eclipse. and dont know how to find every part id need for the turbo and cant spend 2 thousand for a turbo kit. wich is why i am stuck lookin at them

 

[Boostinsideways]

Then step away from the car, read up on all the good information you can find about turbo systems, and what parts do what.

You can easily build a quality setup for a 4g63 without spending 2k.

Used 1g BOV - 20-35$
14B or 16g Turbo Less than 300$
VRSF FMIC, 305$
Used 2g manifold 40-70$
Used 2g o2 housing 10-30$

I would recommend find some stock 450cc injectors.

 

[eatsleepboostin]

Yea fo sho. Don't buy those cheap turbo from ebay. You get what you pay for. Buy a low mileage Evo 16g turbo. I see guys at the track run low 12 with that turbo. It all depends on tuning. You will be so much happier.

 

[ed1380]

while staying away from ebay crap, also dont buy into the whole name brand thing.

for intercoolers and exhaust, ebay is fine. But that's pretty much where the line is drawn. even silicone couplers from ebay turn hard after a year. fuel pressure regulators, fuel pumps, bov, etc are a no no.

 

[charleso89]

I forgot to mention that my engine is a fresh rebuild with no miles on it. Yes i know dont get cought up in name brand, but thank you for reminding me. If i were to get the intercooler kit itself i still miss key things. But if i get the turbo kit that comes with the intercooler and all, would it be good enough to do a break in on the engine and then swap things out like i plan. I dont want to ruin my fresh rebuild. it is board .030 over. And already have in mind to swap out to a hks turbo timer and better ittems. since i kind of need this car running soon. But dont want to risk anything that would damage the engine. Thank you all for posting and helping, i apriciate and take into consideration every ones advice.

 

[RipperXX]

Honestly, I would recommend you stop, consider your goals for this car. Then come back post it and we can help give you much better recommendations.

It's good that your engine has been freshly rebuilt, hows the rest of the drivetrain? Far as condition and mods?

 

[delta448]

Determine your goals first, with a really limited budget you're going to have to choose your parts list smartly. What are you going to tune the car with? Have a wideband and logger? The upgrade guide might be a bit outdated, but the basic principles still apply:
Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[ed1380]

to break in the engine just get the stock turbo. they can be found for $100 in good condition. just check craigslist and the classifieds.

a intercooler kit can get had for under $300 on ebay.

and definitely plan everything out before buying parts

 

[charleso89]

I was thinking about bringing it to a shop to have it tuned. Since i am a newby to dsm. would there be a better or smarter route then taking it to a shop.

What would be better getting a plain intercooler kit. and finding a turbo or the turbo kit. I have been doin a lot of research and dont fully know what all i would need to get with just haveing a intercooler kit.

I also know alot of people are segesting setting it to the side but my plans are to do the engine and baby it while i break it in. So i dont ruin a fresh rebuild . I do plan on rebuilding the transmision and researchin more into it to upgrades for the transmision as well.

I am open to answer any questions that you guys want to know. my main goal right now is to get it runing with better then just stock parts. I will be back on in a while as i need to go and do some things so will re answer and read all when i get back

 

[charleso89]

If any one wants to know this is the ittem number to the kit on ebay i was thinking. 150536000337

I would be putting my own turbo timmer in. And swap turbos before to long. With looking at that kit and seeing everything it comes with do you guys think it would be fine till i could switch turbos? or would tryin to build a custom one still be better with a set budget. If you guys know places to find diff kits and items for the turbo besides ebay, craigslist, and on here, it would be much appriciated since i dont know many places and am still learning.

I am also more of a hands on learner wich is why i am asking for help so much since i look up info everyday and cant seem to straighten it all out. so i thank every one once again for the help. And hope with what im goin to learn i will be able to help some one to

 

[delta448]

What turbo is on it right now? Or do you not have one?

I'd really recommend foregoing the eBay turbo kit.

Here's what I'd get instead:
Good used 14b

ExtemePsi's install kit

It's less expensive and exponentially more reliable.

 

[ed1380]

it's a turbo kit. and it's from ebay using crap china parts. big no no to both.

just do what has been recommended in the thread. plus you dont want a big turbo. it'll suck for daily driving.

 

[charleso89]

What turbo is on it right now? Or do you not have one?

I'd really recommend foregoing the eBay turbo kit.

Here's what I'd get instead:
Good used 14b

ExtemePsi's install kit

It's less expensive and exponentially more reliable.

I bought the shell that is in my picture. It had no engine or components, so no intercoolers at all or any pipeing or wireing. So i am basicaly starting everythign from scratch. i have no injectors it doesnt have exhaust down pipe nothinng. I am looking into a megan racing down pipe and hks exhaust. Wich is why i have nothing to go by either. So the kit you showed me doesnt look like it would work. Thanks again for the suggestion

 

[delta448]

Oh, it would work. You'd just need to make more purchases. Keep in mind the turbo kit you linked will require a custom flanged manifold and V-band downpipe.

What I've suggested will work fine with a stock SMIC which can be had for next to nothing, a stock manifold (what's that, like $50-60?), stock O2 sensor housing (~$30) and a stock flanged downpipe (like the Megan part you mentioned).

Why don't you just take some time and get the required 30 posts to gain classifieds access on here?

 

[faudin]

i agree i have seen them, right out of the box there is side to side play. now the inter-coolers and piping its kinda hard to mess up polished alum, and even some of the rads are usable, but there is nothing worst then getting everything installed and having to replace it again because it did not last longer then 2 weeks,

and since you spend your good hard earned cash on a engine rebuild order some of the aluminum parts off ebay, and stick with new or used from our site, because you can polish some used items up very nice or even powder coat them, if you where in canada i would powder coat them for free, minus the shipping.

 

[charleso89]

That is a good idea i am tryin to get better then stock. I do plan on trying to do times on the strip with it since i have my family daily driver car already. I feel bad for saying i'm looking for more then just the stocks. Since you 2 that are constantly helping me, are really helping me alot. Bu like i said part of my goal is better then stock and to try and get some good times and not have to re do to many things and waiste more money. I really do apriciate how much help you are being and hope im not offending any one helping me by saying, i do want to stick to that as much as possible

i agree i have seen them, right out of the box there is side to side play. now the inter-coolers and piping its kinda hard to mess up polished alum, and even some of the rads are usable, but there is nothing worst then getting everything installed and having to replace it again because it did not last longer then 2 weeks,

and since you spend your good hard earned cash on a engine rebuild order some of the aluminum parts off ebay, and stick with new or used from our site, because you can polish some used items up very nice or even powder coat them, if you where in canada i would powder coat them for free, minus the shipping.

haha thanks man would be a killer deal if i were there

 

[delta448]

Then there's no way around it, you'll just need to spend more. No chinese knockoff turbo is going to do anything good at the track.

For good performance cheaply, look at a rebuilt Holset turbo. Although, again you're going to have to piece together a system, there's no "kit" for serious performance.

 

[ed1380]

Have you looked for a wrecked dsm? that way you can have everything you need. especially the little stuff, because that is going to be a major pain and a large expense.

and you can part it out, making back your money

 

[charleso89]

Have you looked for a wrecked dsm? that way you can have everything you need. especially the little stuff, because that is going to be a major pain and a large expense.

and you can part it out, making back your money

Yea there are no turbo eclipses wrecked in my area, im in a small town ive been checking for months. I am still on the look tho. Im considering tearing apart a non turbo and using as many parts as i can.

Then there's no way around it, you'll just need to spend more. No chinese knockoff turbo is going to do anything good at the track.

For good performance cheaply, look at a rebuilt Holset turbo. Although, again you're going to have to piece together a system, there's no "kit" for serious performance.

Thanks to all of your guys help i am seriously thinkin not goin with the kit. And trying to just get a intercooler kit, and piece the rest together. But like i said in the past I really dont know all the components i will need. I know i would need a turbo timmer, a turbo. boost regulator. But dont know what else i would need. There is a garret t25 turbo for sale for 100. Do not know if thats a good deal or how much horse that would put out. But if u could be kind enough to tell me the parts i am over looking and would need would be much apriciated and i will start looking up individual parts