General Evo8 timing map?

[forcefed86]

Anyone have a copy of the Evo8 OEM base timing map?

 

[snowborder714]

evo8v3settings [ECMTuning - wiki]

You will need ECMlink to open the files and view the maps.

 

[forcefed86]

Anyone mind snapping a quick screen shot of this? I can't D/L and install programs at work. Trying to setup a base map on Jakal...

thanks

 

[snowborder714]

Done.

 

[forcefed86]

Done.

Exactly what I wanted, thank you very much.

To be even more of a pain is there a quick PSI to to MAF comversion? I'm tuning SD so I need pressure VS MAF G. Is this an option you can selsect in link? Or do I just need to convert it?

I didn't think there was a way but the table on the bottom of this link suggests otherwise?

http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/engineandecu101

 

[MY1GDSM]

This might help or might Not... .

 

[forcefed86]

Sure does, thank you.

 

[YoungCesar303]

If I have ECMLink with Evo 8 Map tune , Do I need to swap the ECMLink settings to Evo MAF or do I keep it where it says 2G MAF, and it’ll adjust by itself?

 

[delta448]

It should match whichever MAS is installed in your car.

 

[YoungCesar303]

But it’ll match the 560Cc injectors I have correct? Or do I have to have my stock 450cc with the 2g MAF and Evo 8 map?

 

[delta448]

The injector global size and dead time settings need to match the actual behavior of the installed injectors. Your fuel and ignition maps can be whatever. Just because you use the map from an Evo does not mean that the actual installed parts have to be Evo spec or DSM spec. But they do have to be accounted for in the setup of the parameters no matter what you're using to tune with.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I ran the Evo timing map in my stock (except cams) 90 GSX but I didn't like the way it made the car perform so I installed the 2g timing map and the car likes it much better. I could have altered the Evo map but why. Just putting that out there.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

The injector global size and dead time settings need to match the actual behavior of the installed injectors. Your fuel and ignition maps can be whatever. Just because you use the map from an Evo does not mean that the actual installed parts have to be Evo spec or DSM spec. But they do have to be accounted for in the setup of the parameters no matter what you're using to tune with.

sorry to bring that back up from a short nap

but if my understanding of this comment is correct, so for the injectors say, normally we scale it from a stock 450cc but when using the Evo map we would then need to scale it from the 560cc injector correct? Im on the fence on the way for this as its DSM ecu knows 450cc but evo tune knows 560cc so adjusting the global would be based upon the uploaded tune being used and known injectors.

so for instance
1100cc vs 450cc DSM is about -58-59% Global.
1100cc vs 560cc EVO would be about -55% Global

just making sure my thought process is thinking correctly on the map used

 

[steve]

Bobby, if we are still talking about the Evo 8 timing map the injector size shouldn't matter.

The fuel maps also don't depend on injector size, for any given air mass the ECU will compute pretty much the same net fuel amount and scale the injector pulse width to do so with the injectors installed. The scaling happens at the end of the computation once the target AFR and any enrichments for conditions have been considered.

There is a large section in the '90 DTM that covers how the ECU works and if you haven't read it, it's worth it.

delta448's comment is spot on.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Bobby, if we are still talking about the Evo 8 timing map the injector size shouldn't matter.

The fuel maps also don't depend on injector size, for any given air mass the ECU will compute pretty much the same net fuel amount and scale the injector pulse width to do so with the injectors installed. The scaling happens at the end of the computation once the target AFR and any enrichments for conditions have been considered.

There is a large section in the '90 DTM that covers how the ECU works and if you haven't read it, it's worth it.

delta448's comment is spot on.

I am reading as much as I can. Some conflicts with what im reading but its manageable.

My thought here was the tune was based on larger known injectors so did not know if i had to compensate for that or not. But if not then its all good

Im only considering this evo map as im now the same comp ratio as the Evo's are so might make sense to start there and see how it goes

 

[steve]

Don't look at forum posts until you digest the fuel section of this https://www.dsmtuners.com/attachments/technical-information-manual-talon-laser-1990-pdf.548037/

From your comments it doesn't seem like you have.

Changes in compression ratios would be something that likely requires changes in timing maps. Same for the tuning of the fuel maps but injector changes are pretty isolated to some size parameters and some enrichment tables. IIRC the cold start enrichment was one where the injector size made a difference and scaling is needed. But it's been a long time since I looked and it wasn't something I had a great understanding of how the code worked.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Don't look at forum posts until you digest the fuel section of this https://www.dsmtuners.com/attachments/technical-information-manual-talon-laser-1990-pdf.548037/

From your comments it doesn't seem like you have.

Changes in compression ratios would be something that likely requires changes in timing maps. Same for the tuning of the fuel maps but injector changes are pretty isolated to some size parameters and some enrichment tables. IIRC the cold start enrichment was one where the injector size made a difference and scaling is needed. But it's been a long time since I looked and it wasn't something I had a great understanding of how the code worked.

I have not read that no. but im remembering some of what i was once working on bit by bit. i rear ecmlink almost daily now to refresh my brain. the stock tune back then works well infact it was great! only reason i looked into the evo one is because of the like for like in compression. im going to work in it tomorrow on the evo setup so will see how it does on the drive. if im not happy i can revert back to stock maps and tweak from that. my last known settings were also setup for stock maps so adjusting for the EVO map would be small since i did not change too much from before.