Engine review

[nitrouskris]

I dont know why anyone does business with them.

 

[psycho]

This is what happened to me and what caused a huge oil leak. This is Mark's #2.

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if you notice, the freeze plug just above and to the right on the crank wasn't installed correctly.

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And now correct:

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I replaced the crank seal also, which is what I thought it was.

 

[bullettdsm]

Nice pics psycho. You hit it right on the head .

MB

 

[Shake_Zulla]

I feel your pain sir. I had my Toyota 22Re rebuilt this sumer and my machinest forgot to put the front and rear oil galley plug in, not only did I have to tear apart my timing components for the front and remove my bell housing in the back, but it put soo much oil in my bellhousing that it trashed my 300 dollar brand new clutch. What I'm getting at is it isn't an unheard of problem but it still sucks.

 

[artawd]

Jw if this is the same shop that had the huge tent setup at the shootout?

 

[Nicklepage1010]

I ordered my BSEK from them over a week ago. It still says my order is "Processing"

 

[MistrMackey]

I posted a short review of them on their vendor page, my experience with them was great they even threw in a couple extra goodies with the turbo I bought, sucks you guys had some bad experiences.

 

[1g8420a]

I ordered my BSEK from them over a week ago. It still says my order is "Processing"

Here Is my suggestion to you call them and ask them why my order is still processing. Josh will probably fill you full of s^&# so hound them and never order stuff from them again.

 

[AK Maniak]

Sorry to hear about all of that. IMO they shouldn't even be allowed to be a supporting vendor on this site. I have heard nothing but bad things about them and they will NEVER see a penny from me. I just don't understand why people continue to give them their hard earned money.

 

[99 gs iowa]

id never do business with them, ive let syn custom's build my motors, and i pound on them HARD and still have never had a problem

 

[bullettdsm]

Sorry to hear about all of that. IMO they shouldn't even be allowed to be a supporting vendor on this site.

They no longer are.

MB

 

[AK Maniak]

They no longer are.

MB

Wasn't aware but thanks for pointing that out. I haven't check the list in a while.

 

[bullettdsm]

Wasn't aware but thanks for pointing that out. I haven't check the list in a while.

Believe me, my pleasure

MB

 

[1g8420a]

Ah, that word "OR" makes a big difference (descriptor in link; "Wrist Pin Styleress-fit or floating"). Makes sense to me now.

But let's look past the question of Eagle rods and go to your current "sitcheewayshun".

Crap, I'm sorry man, hate to see that. That is a ton load of oil coming out of there so quickly. There are two things in that area that I could think of that would leak that bad (and that quickly).

1. Crankseal. Did they even put one in, ? There are a couple options here. One could be it is one of those crappy crank seals. I normally don't use the "cheapo" gasket kit crank seals. Too much chance of having that happen. If/when you replace yours go OEM, for better piece of mind.

They could also have put the seal in incorrectly. One of the problems with dealing with "bolt-on hacks" (you know, guys who can bolt a part together but really don't know what they are doing when it comes to technical ability or technique,"Yeah, I can put those rings in for you but I have no idea on the gap or if the rings are on upside down or even in the right groove" - we'll get back to that later). That crankseal is real easy to put on incorrectly. It requires being careful and not rolling the lip so the inner spring comes off the lip. It could also be not on far enough or on crooked. Again something that a bolt-on hack may not watch for (imo this is the most likely situation).

2. Freeze plug. There is one freeze plug in there that is a plug for right off the oil pressure switch. They may have replaced this and, again, installed incorrectly.

These are the most likely scenarios, but keep in mind that you could have goofy stuff of a cracked block or a large defect in the flexplate. And before you do go to pull the engine, take off the inspection plate and do a visual above and around the bellhousing, just be sure that its not something goofy (say the oil pressure switch sqirting out in just the right direction as to leakdown and seem to be leaking at the crank. Very unlikely, but takes no time to check).

Now getting back to the "bolt-on hack". While its great that the car started, this may just be the tip of the iceberg. When building an engine there are things you need to watch for (I already referenced the rings which not only could be put in upside down, the gaps could measured incorrectly - were they sure the ring was not at a slight angle when they measured it in the bore? Did they file the end of the gap correctly andnot have a V shaped gap? Hell, did they even check the gaps? - so many things just in the rings that could be screwed up). While you see this huge oil leak, are you sure there are not others? Say the bedplate o-ring? Or the Oil pump sealed properly? Or the cam seals? Or even the headgasket? And who's to say that bearing clearances are correct, or valves are sealing properly or the valve seals or even the cam caps are on correctly (or even the correct caps)?

I guess my point is you need to look at this build as suspect from the get-go. Its not just the leak, but its the prior history of the company you are dealing with (hell, you've already had your taste of dealing with them). You need to decide if you want to roll the dice or do a pre-emptive strike (and I'm not suggesting anything either way. This decision needs to be based on your needs/wants and your value on multiple labor).

You need to look at this build as if your buddy down the street did it (you know the one. The guy who gives you a hand doing your brakes. Or remember the time you guys swapped the tranny in his S-10? Yeah, that guy ), just because he wanted to try it.

On second thought your buddy would care a whole lot more.........

MB

Thanks for the feedback it was very helpful. Now my only worry is what else did they screw up on I can tell you next time I will build my own and use a local machine shop just to do a bore align-hone ect.

I did find the root of the problem and be prepared to laugh.... They did not even put on the rear main seal. here is a picture to amuse you guys It made me laugh for some strange reason.. but at least its not a cracked block.

 

[NHerron]

That's gotta be an awkward phone call...
*Uh hey gravebrains, yeah uh wow how do I say this, umm well it looks like you guys forgot to put my rear main seal in... wondering now if that's necessary to run. Since it was never put in, I'm just a-sittin-here-a-figurin it aint all that important to you people....?

But seriously wtf. Like really, how do they miss that.

Anyway, I hope you write the appropriate review for them and link to this thread.

 

[StarFawkes]

So what did they say when you called them?

 

[bullettdsm]

1. Crankseal. Did they even put one in, ?

I was only kidding when I said that^^

MB

 

[95talongirl]

Wow... I keep hoping to see that one; just ONE of thier customer's engines actually function correctly. I'm also begining to wonder how the heck they atill operate. Maybe they make enough in selling parts to get by? OP, sorry to see this, hope they can meke it right.

 

[glowryder]

Yea that seriously sucks.. thats an "un-acceptable" oops.. really there shouldnt be an acceptable oops when buying something that vital.. thats just insane..SMH. I like bullets term "bolt on hack" that fits them so well. I bet their parts sales, or scams.. keep them afloat. They are obviously in it for the qucik buck vs the community..

I cant wait till I get my site and services up, and replace this trash with a community oriented vendor..again, sorry for your loss.. and like bullet said.. that motor from the get go was a big question mark.. If you want to do your own build, at least you have some parts you might be able to re use.. but hopefully at the vare least , a block..

 

[LandoAWD]

This ending does not surprise me.

 

[1g8420a]

So I called them this morning and they told me that, I sounded Pissed off.. Then told me that I am not supposed to get a rear main seal. I asked him enraged what they define a crate engine? he had no response.. They obviously will not take any responsibility in what they have done wrong.

The Definition of crate Engine via Wiki: crate engine - often more than a long block, including intake manifold, and carburetor or fuel injection system, and perhaps an alternator.

Really pissed off this morning. I'm thinking about starting a anti DSM GRAVEYARD Campaign with all of the others who have had a bad experience with them.

 

[BogusSVO]

Please post here....

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Humm... call your local auto part store and ask if there engine comes with the rear main.

Some rebuilders will include a small package of gaskets for the end user to install, such as EGR, Intake and exhaust gaskets.

Sorry about your luck.

 

[glowryder]

Yea thats just shitty.

 

[bullettdsm]

Then told me that I am not supposed to get a rear main seal. .

Hahaha, yeah, right.

But not surprised

MB

 

[glowryder]

its because they wanted to free up Horse powah by reducing the drag the seal may have had on the crank.. and, by pouring out oil, thats means youll have to continously fil the oil.. which means youll always have clean oil! You should be thanking them..the innovations seen here are amazing!