DSM LINK or ECU+

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

hey guys i need some opinions or facts about what tuning tool is better... *dsmlink or ecu+* everyones opinions and experiences are welcome.. thanks everyone

 

[keymaster]

Strictly for ease of use, tech-support, and user-base...go with DSMLink. When people say it's the single best mod they've done, they're not lying. It has everything needed to tune your car to it's max.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

Strictly for ease of use, tech-support, and user-base...go with DSMLink. When people say it's the single best mod they've done, they're not lying. It has everything needed to tune your car to it's max.

the link is all i have used to tune my car, but i agree with ^^^ that you can not beat it. almost immediate help through the forum, super easy to use, and probably more features than most people will ever need.


jim

 

[96whgsx]

Lol, I was going to ask the exact same question.

Here you can download the software for the ecu+ and go to their forums and download some of the user's logs and view them. For me, the program is pretty simple to use. Also, the ECU+ allows you to use a GM MAF without the need for a translator, and you don't need any reprogramming when you put in different injectors, nor do you need to have an e-prom ecu.

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

ahhhhhh i cant decideeeeeeeee

 

[Syndicate13]

Lol, I was going to ask the exact same question.

Here you can download the software for the ecu+ and go to their forums and download some of the user's logs and view them. For me, the program is pretty simple to use. Also, the ECU+ allows you to use a GM MAF without the need for a translator, and you don't need any reprogramming when you put in different injectors, nor do you need to have an e-prom ecu.

DSMlink can be downloaded from the website so you can view logs. Direct GM MAF control is in the works and should be released with the next update for DSMlink. There is reprogramming in both programs, neither will "know" what size injectors are in the car without you telling it. Scale down the global and enter the correct deadtime and bingo! The EPROM I can't argue with, I had one and a spare laptop so the choice was simple. The link also offers much more than just fuel and timing adjustments.

 

[4g63t]

eprom works great for me never any problems easy to use and FAST. I cant compare to dsmlike cuz i cant afford it however.

 

[eclipseturbogst]

Get an Apexi power FC

 

[coney2]

I have Dsmlink V.2 , never had a problem with it or my car since it was installed. I can't say enough great things about it. Defintely the best mod done to my car.

 

[Addicted2DSM]

Right now Im using SAFC to tune my car so I can learn how to then I will step up to DSMLink. I've heard Apexi Power FC isn't the best thing to use on DSM's.

 

[dsm-onster]

I went from the latest version of MAFt to the latest version of DSMLink. And i felt like an idiot for ever getting the MAFt for tuning.IMHO, piggybacks just can't cut it for tuning injectors near 650cc or larger. I do engoy to heightened spool up and the fact that i probably never will "overrun" the gm sensor. But DSMLink should have been my first mod. I could have thrown in a 2g maf for the times i was overrunning. The forum support, customer service, ease of use, the best dataloger bar none, and number of sub 10s 1320 times is worth the eprom ecu and DSMLink kit.

However, you can go in and retard your timing with ecu+ where it is too advanced (being on the wrong maps because of maf compensation). It does give you an input for logging WBO2. DSMLink gives you up to 3.

What do you want? I don't have to retard my timing because i'm overcompensationg my maf output. I have full control over my solenoids (i can turn my egr solenoid circuit into a nitrous/water/alky control), injectors (i can cut 1 off at a time), sensors (i.e. i can run a colder t-stat and the ecu will still operate in closed loop fine). and on and on. Personally, i wouldn't try to take a piggyback into the 11s or 12s if you're a fwd. I feel a piggy back takes longer than dsmlink to tune by the ameture. I'd rather spend my time learning to drive well for track time.

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

sweet thanks everyone for the information.. i think everyone helped me decide into getting dsmlink and just spend the extra money...

i can get a 95 EPROM ECU socketed from FFWD Connection for 230 is that to much or a decent price?

 

[FORMONTOYA]

$250 is about an average price to pay. especially from a vendor.

jim

 

[96whgsx]

Just curious but does somebody ever have experience with both products? It seems that the dsmlink is getting a huge amount of praise, while we have little to no feedback on the ecu+.

 

[96whgsx]

DSMlink can be downloaded from the website so you can view logs. Direct GM MAF control is in the works and should be released with the next update for DSMlink. There is reprogramming in both programs, neither will "know" what size injectors are in the car without you telling it. Scale down the global and enter the correct deadtime and bingo! The EPROM I can't argue with, I had one and a spare laptop so the choice was simple. The link also offers much more than just fuel and timing adjustments.

Cool, thanks for pointing this out. I really appreciate it.

Also another couple questions, about installation. When installing the dsmlink, do you just replace the ecu with an e-prom unit and plug in the cable to the diagnostic port from the computer? Also, how would setting a wideband unit fall into place? Does it get logged with the dsmlink program or would I have to run a separate program. Sorry to hijack the thread.

 

[Syndicate13]

Cool, thanks for pointing this out. I really appreciate it.

Also another couple questions, about installation. When installing the dsmlink, do you just replace the ecu with an e-prom unit and plug in the cable to the diagnostic port from the computer? Also, how would setting a wideband unit fall into place? Does it get logged with the dsmlink program or would I have to run a separate program. Sorry to hijack the thread.

For your car, yes. Just plug in the EPROM ECU with DSMlink chip and connect the data cable to the OBD2 port. A wideband could be fed into the rear 02 wire, the MDP wire, the baro wire if using a GM MAF and I think one other wire which I forget. After selecting the sensor in DSMlink it can be logged and displayed along with all your other information.

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

OK, the question is:
Once DSMLINK is installed, does it always have to be ON AND using the laptop? Or can the laptop be taken off? I do not have a clue on how to tune a car, using ANY type of system. How hard would it be to tune it w/the DSMLINK or should I take it to a shop? Thanks much.
P.S. Already have the eprom ecu. So then I would just need to buy the items, and connect it to the ecu?

 

[Quasimondo]

http://www.dsmlink.com/faq.html

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

Yeah, thanks, pretty much read it all. So do shops tune using DSMLINK? or do I have to do it all?

 

[gthompson97]

you'll probably have to do it yourself...but from what i've heard is that the dsmlink forums are like none other. they are top of the line with help when it comes to tuning your car with dsmlink

 

[Talesin]

Mine's going in for DSMLink within the month, after the typical seasonal insanity dies down... and hopefully after the new version is released. After riding around in a friend's Talon, and only finding out later that he was running 950s... and having ridden in SAFC-equipped Eclipses on 650s, there's no way in hell I'd go for anything less than DSMLink.

Already have my 850s sitting in a box on my nightstand.

 

[Spyderman7]

For the money and what it can do for you.You can't beat a DSM link.Get one you'll be glad you did.

 

[wingzgsx]

DSMLink is straight forward. Anybody that has an interests in tuning their own car will not have any problems. Tech support on the forum is top notch. The packet will come with Basic tuning documents that most beginners will read many times. They are constantly upgrading the software for future downloading. Latest upgrades that I thought was very cool is when you make fuel or timing adjustments at whatever RPM range, link will provide an estimated end result of the a/f ratio and timing value that you will be running. This saves you from making many pulls to only find out you're off.

Once you're satisfied with the tune, you do not need to have your laptop connected to it. Most shop will not have any experience with the link unless they've tuned with it before. It's best that you learn how to tune so that you can fine if needed in the future.

BTW- I will be upgrading to AEM EMS in the next few weeks so mine will be up for sale. If you're interested, email me. I will provide support if needed to get you going.

 

[Ludachris]

Has anyone used both? I think that would be the type of feedback this guy is looking for. Plenty of people have used one or the other, but that's only going to tell you one side of the story. We need some people who have used both.

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

To me it seems that alot of people are going from DSMLINK to AEM EMS. Why? AEM EMS is better? Easier to tune? I've read a bit about it and seems a lil difficult, especially that you have to put in AEM sensors to get readings and what not. Can anyone verify that?
Thanks.
P.S. I've seen a couple of shops that tune w/AEM EMS, so that is one of the plus pts. but one of the biggest downsides is that its EXPENSIVE, and probably difficult to tune.