Difference between early/late 95's

[NickMOSU]

What are all of the differences of the early and late 1995 talons/eclipses? All still have eprom ecus correct? Thanks, Nick.

 

[oplix]

my 95 gsx has the DSM plaque as well.

 

[Grimis]

My 95 says DSM on it. I forget the exact build date, but I know it is late 94.
All so says DSM on the door jams

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you can get it threw the caps program, if you realy need it. you can pm me and ill give you the build date.

 

[T is for TURBO]

Wasn't the cas location for the early 95 mounted near the inside of the intake camgear?
I have an early 95 which is like I described above...below is what i"ve seen with a friends 96.

http://members.shaw.ca/dsm.1000q/Engineprimer/2G/cas.htm

I'm pretty sure thats a 97 98 99 engine.

95 and 96 had the cam sensor behind the intake cam gear, while 97-99 had the cam sensor thats just infront of the throttle body.

 

[Silver71]

Sorry to revive an old thread, but here I find myself trying to determine the version of my 95, to purchase the correct timing equipment.

From this thread, the possible clues as to early vs late 95 are:

1: EPROM ECU numbers.
2: Rear rotors
3: Lumbar adjustment knob
4: Door panels
5: Vent under steering wheel
6: Turbo silencer box
7: Firewall plaque
8: Door glass mounting

So, let's run through the list to see what I've got hmm? Pics included!

1: EPROM
I pulled the ECU and looks to be EPROM.

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2: Rear rotors
Not sure on this one, they look like standard rotors, though I've no clue if they've ever been replaced.

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3: Lumbar adjustment knob
I do believe I have what was described earlier.

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4: Door panels
The pockets don't look that large to me, and I don't know what you all meant by stitch pattern and whatnot.

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5: Vent under steering wheel
Yup! Got it!

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6: Turbo silencer box
This one is tricky. I was looking in the wrong place for this, but maybe one of my pictures happens to show it, I don't know.

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7: Firewall plaque
It DOES say DSM, but nothing is left to read on it. I did, however, take pics of other labeling. May 1994? Jeez, seems like it can't get much "earlier" than that!!!

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8: Door glass mounting
I don't have any good pictures of this until I change my regulator/motor out, but this is what I have so far.

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So, would you say this is an early 95? That is what I am leaning towards... I just want to make sure I get the right timing belt tensioner. Thanks!

 

[19Eclipse90]

Yep. Early '95.

 

[Paintballaa5]

Unless I've missed something, I'm gonna say yes, early 95. If it was build in 94, and is a 2g it has to be considered a 95..

 

[Dsmkauai]

Both my march 95 dsm and April 95 dsm have dsm all over the place just about every panel says dsm. Even the rear hatch..... Oh wait I did that one hahaha my march one has all leather (w/ lumbar knob) and my April has all cloth.

 

[Pipnorcali]

Yea I deff have the small pocket door panels they suck...my 95 has the dsm engine plaque

 

[freshbboy]

so would you say that early 95's were all made in 94 or do you think it would end with a certain month in 94 before they became the late 95 builds.

Because i think mine was built in September 94 has dsm on the fire wall. no vent under steering wheel and not sure about the other things i just bought rotors now i am hoping i got the right ones for it.

 

[Breezio69]

Did anybody else notice the ghost face in this dsm plaque? Creepin a bit....



7: Firewall plaque
It DOES say DSM, but nothing is left to read on it. I did, however, take pics of other labeling. May 1994? Jeez, seems like it can't get much "earlier" than that!!!

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[Silver71]

. If it makes you feel better, I ripped the useless sticker off now so Rocky Balboa is gone. That's what I'm going with...

 

[19Eclipse90]

so would you say that early 95's were all made in 94 or do you think it would end with a certain month in 94 before they became the late 95 builds.

Because i think mine was built in September 94 has dsm on the fire wall. no vent under steering wheel and not sure about the other things i just bought rotors now i am hoping i got the right ones for it.

The change from "early" to "late" 95's occurred in November of '94 according to ASA. Any 2G built before that would be an "early" 1995 model.

 

[warpath227]

I have a 95 gsx built in Nov. 04. it has solid rear rotors, no vent under the dash, large pockets, lumbar adjustment, and the DSM plaque So ether someone changed the seats and door panels or i got leftovers from the early 95's. Also do the early 95 have OBD I or OBD II.

 

[Rsawd95dsm]

Early 04? Must be nice I got a august 94 sticker with no vent under the dash had vented rear rotors and had the silencer box that had come with it. To the OP who revived this thread I didnt see a silencer box on his. And Im pretty sure it should be OBD2 as all 95 cars in general were making the switch.

 

[Silver71]

Also do the early 95 have OBD I or OBD II.

And Im pretty sure it should be OBD2 as all 95 cars in general were making the switch.

My car has OBD I and it SUCKS . Can't get a scanner on it that is worth a shit without going to the dealer. [NEVERMIND, apparently it is NOT OBDI]

Which brings me to another question: How does OBD I in a 2G play with ECMLink? I know it comes with a cable, but is it OBD I or II cable, or does it not matter? I'd hate to get Link one day only to find out something doesn't mesh.

 

[Rsawd95dsm]

Im surprised your car has OBD1. But im sure if you tell the ECMlink people they could figure something out. Because I have ECMlink for my OBD1 and OBD2 systems and they are different cords for the OBD1 and OBD2 systems.

 

[19Eclipse90]

Again, according to ASA:

1: EPROM ECU numbers. -- Only existed in '95 models for 2Gs; how much this is indicative of an early '95 model I couldn't tell ya.
2: Rear rotors -- Slotted up until November of '94 for AWD models only; for all turbo FWD models and AWD models built after Nov. '94, they were solid.
3: Lumbar adjustment knob -- There are different styles of lumbar adjustment knobs; the tri-wheel style is unique to '95 models but appears to have no bearing on early or later '95 models.
4: Door panels -- These came with this "pocket" up until April of '95.
5: Vent under steering wheel -- Only existed in '95 models but unsure of the cut-off. It did not come in any of the handful of AWD VINs I ran in ASA that had a build date of December '94 or newer.
6: Turbo silencer box - An intercooler resonator, listed as being found in 2G models produced up to January of '96.
7: Firewall plaque -- Couldn't tell ya.
8: Door glass mounting -- There were unique door window regulators for the '95 model year up until March of '95.

And for the record, all 2Gs are OBD-II. See:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/278771-diagnostic-scan-2g-merged-8-8-obd-ii-obdii-obd2-obd-2-port-location-where.html#post1680660
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/198153-obd-ii-connector-1995-eagle-talon.html#post1649995

 

[Silver71]

And for the record, all 2Gs are OBD-II. See:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/278771-diagnostic-scan-2g-merged-8-8-obd-ii-obdii-obd2-obd-2-port-location-where.html#post1680660
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/198153-obd-ii-connector-1995-eagle-talon.html#post1649995

Aah, thanks. Well the guys at O'Reilly assumed it to be OBDI, and the OBDII scanner they tried on it wasn't too helpful.

That thread also said under the hood should say "OBDII compliant". Other places on the web say that DSM was OBDII compliant in 95 before the mandate came in 96. However, there are 5 different standards used for OBDII, and certain scanners work with certain kinds, so we need to get the scanners that work with ours.

 

[Dsmkauai]

It's almost like obd 1.5 in the 95's. I to have had some scanners that could read it fine and some that couldn't. But don't care anymore because ecmlink handles it all now.