Contemplating an EVOIII 16G install, have a few questions (package deal from FP)?

[EdwardNorth]

Hey all,

I have been tossing around the idea of upgrading my T-TooSmall for a little while now, and I've narrowed it down to either the EVOIII 16G or the FP Big28. Especially considering FP's package deal #3 for $877, I'm leaning much more towards the EVOIII at this point. So I'll just rattle on with my questions and hopefully some of you can answer them for me. I plan on sending an email to FP as well, but I figured I might get a reply here from people "who know" a bit more quickly.

For reference (if it matters), my Talon has most of the bolt-ons. Full 3" exhaust, Intake, Hallman MBC, Wires, Upper IC pipe, Ported Exhaust Manifold (definately good for either turbo), etc. etc. Aside from the turbo, stock parts include the clutch (but it's solid, the car only has 14,500 miles on it, and I'm not going to be launching it very often at all so I'm not too worried) and SMIC. I also have pillar Boost and EGT gauges.

About package #3 and installation itself:

- Has anyone gotten that package and how did you like it?
- The EVOIII in this package comes with its own internal wastegate, correct? Is it sufficient?
- The J-pipe that FP sells, would I have any problems with it hitting the fan during the install? I really don't want to hack away at my fan if possible.

EVOIII vs. Big28 in general:

- I know the Big28 spools faster and the EVOIII has more top end, but generally where do you hit full boost with the EVOIII? I've searched, and I've seen #'s anywhere from 3100 to 3500 or greater (which is a pretty big variation), so I'd like to get more clarification, if possible.

EVOIII in general:

- With this turbo, would I be safe running around 15 psi with my only fuel system upgrade being a 190 fuel pump? I would continue to upgrade the system/get tuned over time to take advantage of the higher boost limits of the turbo, but in the meantime?


At any rate, both turbos look nice and would suit my goals perfectly. The price for a PORTED EVOIII 16G combined with a PORTED EVO O2 Housing and gaskets is VERY good, I think. If I went with the Big28, I'd still have to pay extra for porting, and then my stock O2 housing would still need to be ported.

I'm looking to make my Talon a low-mid 12 second daily driver eventually, but I don't want to go *too* crazy with it because I have a crapload of modding to do with my FD.

Last question, which turbo would you guys go with?

Thanks guys!

 

[nineD5_GS-T]

Go with the EVOIII. The spool time will be in the low 3000, and possibly high 2000's. On race gas it will take you to the mid 12's, but that is with a majority of supporting mods. Next thing on your list should be a logger, an AFC, and some 550's.

 

[sirhcs 4g63]

invest in a good front mount intercooler. you want your dsm to breathe the coolest air it can get, not the hot air your stock smic is going to give from the increased volume and speed of air in a small amount of space. your stock turbo should spool at around 2800 rpms, but the evoIII is going to spool around 3200-3500 giving you more lag in the beginning but more "push you into the seats" at higher boost levels. keep your boost levels down around 1.0-1.1kpa or 15-16psi until you get ALL of the supporting mods. let us know what you picked and run it runs!

 

[EdwardNorth]

Well I ordered the EVOIII package #3 yesterday from FP, and additionally the FP J-pipe and SS oil line. I'll probably get my 190 pump from ExtremePSI since they have them for $99 shipped including the install kit.

I'm not a big fan of the look of FMIC's, I'm more of a sleeper kind of guy. I do plan on picking up an aftermarket SMIC eventually though.

Where would you guess I'd be @ 15psi on the EVOIII? Low 13's with decent driving?

At any rate, the Turbo is on the way! I can't wait.

 

[Spyke169]

EdwardNorth: do you have any other supporting mods? your profile says stock

 

[Spyke169]

For reference (if it matters), my Talon has most of the bolt-ons. Full 3" exhaust, Intake, Hallman MBC, Wires, Upper IC pipe, Ported Exhaust Manifold (definately good for either turbo), etc. etc.

My bad I just looked in your profile. Keep my posted on the install goes and all. I'm really interested in knowing how bad of boost creep you are going to have. I plan on getting the same package you did and like you will only have the pump for fuel mods. After buying that it will be a while before I have enough money for injectors and safc.

 

[EdwardNorth]

Well, hopefully boost creep won't be an issue. Since they port the turbo, and port the EVO O2 housing that you get in the package, everything else in my exhaust setup is about as ported and free-flowing as you can get without a testpipe. I know the EVOIII has had some issues with that but I don't know what else I could do to head it off. I'll definately keep you posted though.

I talked to them this morning and I guess it will be about a week before they are able to ship. In the meantime I guess I should order my fuel pump and install it before the turbo package gets here.

 

[awdsm drft]

save money and buy a 14b or go for the gold and pick up a 20g.

throw some water injection at it too!

 

[herostar]

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=FP&Category_Code=DSM

look at that, a new Big28 is 768.50 and the other one is 599.99

better deal IMO than the EVOIII. I love mine, would never trade it for the 16g series

 

[blackGSX2g]

Good call with the EVO, thats what I got a few weeks back. 15 psi SHOULD be fine with just a pump, just be careful to check your logger/af gauge/or at least the plugs after running it to make sure you don't lean out. I only ran 9psi for the first week or so to break it in and it was MUCH faster than stock. I have about the same mods as you do, but I have a MAFT for tuning. I usually get full boost around 2700-2800 rpm, which is killer. Good luck!

 

[yugotdonkey]

Not to hijack this thread, but I'm about to install a similar setup on my 1g (evo3 02 housing, evo3 16g turbo, 3" exhaust, walbro 255). I also have 550cc injectors, but I think I'm going to wait to put them on. My question is, will an AFC and a logger be able to take care of any feul pressure problems that come with upgraded injectors/feul pump, or will I need to get a feul pressure regulator to take care of it? Also, good luck on the install, I can't wait to get my car running with the evo3.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

getting an SAFC will allow you to adjust on the base pressure [ i believe, someone correct me if i'm wrong ] of the fuel. it should be around 45 psi. if you get a 255 pump with no AFPR it will be up to 60+psi. you'll have to work with that with the SAFC, and even on the lowest setting i doubt you'll be able to get the most out of your car.

so i'd say get the AFPR or just go with a 190, thats what I did and I actually get decent gas mileage

 

[j_woody]

how are all of you running evo iii o2 housings? I didn't think they fit on a dsm without a special downpipe.

 

[EdwardNorth]

how are all of you running evo iii o2 housings? I didn't think they fit on a dsm without a special downpipe.

From what I understand, the issue is that the *stock* downpipe will not fit up to the EVO 02 housing properly, something about the flange not being wide enough with the dp. However, aftermarket downpipes with the 2-bolt flange should fit just fine. I have a Hahn downpipe so I'm pretty sure it will bolt up with no problem.

EDIT: I read up on it some more, apparently aftermarket DP's with slotted holes and a flex section will bolt up without a problem.

 

[dsm4life]

how are all of you running evo iii o2 housings? I didn't think they fit on a dsm without a special downpipe.

my EVO is sitting in my room
along with

190 FP
550 injectors
SAFC
02 dump

i dont that you need a FPR with a 190 pump just the 225. I cant wait to get these out in the car. good luck

 

[GPTourer]

I hit full boost just shy of 3200 rpms. My turbo is not ported and I have the 34mm flapper mod. I have FP's j-pipe and although it is snug, it barely squeezes by the fan housing. The turbo has a much quieter spool up sound then my T-25 did. But it pulls all the way up to redline and holds boost. Very satisified.

 

[ShapeGSX]

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=FP&Category_Code=DSM

look at that, a new Big28 is 768.50 and the other one is 599.99

better deal IMO than the EVOIII. I love mine, would never trade it for the 16g series

My unported and unclipped Evo III 16G has taken my full weight car to several high 11 second passes.

Not that the Big28 doesn't have its place. It is a great autocrossing turbo. But the benefits of the Evo III are hard to ignore for a street car that likes to go to the drag strip occasionally.

 

[EdwardNorth]

I hit full boost just shy of 3200 rpms. My turbo is not ported and I have the 34mm flapper mod. I have FP's j-pipe and although it is snug, it barely squeezes by the fan housing. The turbo has a much quieter spool up sound then my T-25 did. But it pulls all the way up to redline and holds boost. Very satisified.

It's funny, because when I talked to them yesterday, I asked them about the 34mm flapper. The gentleman that I talked to told me that they don't/can't put a 34mm flapper on the EVOIII because there's not enough room, and that it was unnecessary anyway. Yet on here it looks like many EVOIII users have a 34mm? Am I missing something here?

As far as the FP J-pipe goes, you're telling me that I will *not* have to mess with my fan? That's good news.

Thanks for the replies so far guys!

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

I don't have the actual 34mm flapper door, I just have the hole ported out a little closer to the edges and it works great, I boost @17psi and get no boost creep at all, but I do run 2 1/2" inch. Also I hit full boost around 2900-3000 rpm and have been shocked at the overall power increase with the new turbo, I can't get the smile off my face,even when I sleep

 

[GPTourer]

It's funny, because when I talked to them yesterday, I asked them about the 34mm flapper. The gentleman that I talked to told me that they don't/can't put a 34mm flapper on the EVOIII because there's not enough room, and that it was unnecessary anyway. Yet on here it looks like many EVOIII users have a 34mm? Am I missing something here?

As far as the FP J-pipe goes, you're telling me that I will *not* have to mess with my fan? That's good news.

Thanks for the replies so far guys!

I got mine from Slowboy, they recommended the flapper to control boost creep, but I think it precludes you from running relatively high boost (22+ maybe?) Dunno, I don't have any problem running it at 19psi on the street with 93.5 gas.

J-pipe just squeezes by.

 

[ken inn]

i just installed and evo 3, previous was a tre ported big 16g. spoolup is much faster, and with no change in the mbc(i have since switched to a profec) which was set at 18 lbs, boost hit real hard, and went clear to 23. i started blowing off intercooler hoses(rre pipes, jdm fmic). the wastegate is the stock one, fp says you do not need the bigger flapper, because of the improved routing for the wastegate. boost is right on, i run low boost at 18, and there is absolutely NO creep. it is ported, which i did myself, not near as nice as fp. also, it holds boost clear past redline, way beyond what the big 16g was able to do. i had hks 264 cams, but removed them because of the lumpy idle. the evo feels like the cams are still there. i am very pleased with this turbo.

 

[EdwardNorth]

Awesome replies guys. I'm getting goosebumps!

It's going to be a LONG 2 weeks while I wait for my shipment, that's for sure!