clutch install gone horribly wrong 1g nt talon fwd

[robbiejohnson666]

Okay so I put a new clutch in my car today the stock clutch was still in it when I bought it a few months ago. So anyways oem clutch and pressure plate from autozone no problems whatsoever going in or taking the old one out. Now the car won't start I got a new starter and put it in and same thing wouldn't crank at all then I went to try to start it again after I got a new battery and still nothing I can hear the starter pop out and try to turn the flywheel but something isn't turning right. So I took out 1 bolt that was descustingly impossible to get to inbetween the starter and driverside cv and now it turns fine but still won't start I'm at a loss I am verry mechanicly inclined so any sugjestions would be so much appriciated. This is my daily driver so I need it horriby bad to run

 

[aspekt9]

Okay so I put a new clutch in my car today the stock clutch was still in it when I bought it a few months ago. So anyways oem clutch and pressure plate from autozone no problems whatsoever going in or taking the old one out. Now the car won't start I got a new starter and put it in and same thing wouldn't crank at all then I went to try to start it again after I got a new battery and still nothing I can hear the starter pop out and try to turn the flywheel but something isn't turning right. So I took out 1 bolt that was descustingly impossible to get to inbetween the starter and driverside cv and now it turns fine but still won't start I'm at a loss I am verry mechanicly inclined so any sugjestions would be so much appriciated. This is my daily driver so I need it horriby bad to run

Can you verify if the starter is actually contacting the flywheel when it's turning over? Check and see if the cams / crank is turning when you're cranking it over. Could be the wrong flywheel and the starter isn't making contact with the teeth correctly.

 

[Twinturbo120]

Did you torque everything to specs?

 

[perk85]

is it in gear? i know this sounds like a dumb question, but i have installed trannys and somehow the trans was stuck between two gears.

 

[robbiejohnson666]

Okay yes the cams turn and I hope so my tourque wrench is about a million years old and she is in neutral as far as I know I can roll her both directions

 

[curt-s]

You're not talking about the bolt that threads into the transmission from the block side, are you?
Did you remove the starter plate and not reinstall it?
Are you sure you didn't end up with the wrong starter (A/T instead of M/T, or vice versa)

Immediately, it sounds like something is causing the starter to not line up with the flywheel teeth, or the starter isn't getting the juice. Did you ground the starter correctly, using one of the two bellhousing-to-starter bolts?

Okay yes the cams turn and I hope so my tourque wrench is about a million years old and she is in neutral as far as I know I can roll her both directions

I'd get a new one that's of good quality if you're going to be doing powertrain work

 

[robbiejohnson666]

Yes I grounded it on the top starter bolt and the plate is there and all and I know I work at sears and barely get paid squat so I can't afford a new tourqe wrench so more detail when it rolls over it puffs on the exaust stroke it almost sounds like its not getting spark and the idle air controll sensor tthing clicks like a pissed off squirell. I took the #1 plug wire out and rolled it over and it does spark but she won't start

 

[aspekt9]

Okay yes the cams turn and I hope so my tourque wrench is about a million years old and she is in neutral as far as I know I can roll her both directions

If the cams are turning and it sounds like the starter is strong (not struggling to turn the flywheel) the next step is check for spark then check for fuel, it's possible you forgot a connector or a ground somewhere.

 

[robbiejohnson666]

And yes that bolt is the one

Okay I just checked all if the conections and grounds they all appear to be intact so next sugjestion? I just tryed to start it again also and same thing, turns over like butter but won't start.

 

[curt-s]

I'm curious to know why it's thought to be a clutch-related issue that's preventing you from starting the car? What brought you to that conclusion? Normally, unless something is jammed up and preventing the flywheel from turning at all, the engine will still start, you just may not be able to get it into gear. However, if you're seeing spark, and the timing belt is turning when cranking, then it's not related to the starter.
I wouldn't think you'd see spark at all since the CAS has no idea where the ignition stroke would be.

Be that as it may, there are a couple things you can do to test if the starter is turning the flywheel:
1) Jack up the front, put it in gear, bump the starter, see if either wheel moves
2) Leave it on the ground in gear, bump the starter. This isn't really recommended. I've done it a couple times before to see if the clutch is disengaging from the flywheel: put it in 1st gear, clutch in, bump the starter. If the car moved, it wasn't anywhere near disengaged. Beware as this can damage things; I do not recommend it and I'm probably going to get slapped for even bringing it up.

 

[DOHCTA]

can you tell us a step by step procedure you took to replace the clutch..

a lot of guessing going on here

 

[ricktb]

double check everything, bolts, electrical connections, hoses, everything! Ensure your slave cylinder is disengaging the clutch you can see it moving when you push the clutch pedal. I remember there was about 4 electrical connectors I had to reconnect before I could get my car to start after my last tranny swap. Also check the starter is hooked up correctly, and the tranny is really in neutral. You can manually put the tranny in neutral by placing both shifter arms in the center position. Maybe your shifter cables are not seated proper. good luck.

 

[aspekt9]

As I said above, you need spark and fuel for the engine to turn over. You claim you have spark, the engine turns over, check that you have fuel. First check your MPI fuse on the fusible link. I'm guessing you shorted out and blew the fuse and you're not getting any fuel...

 

[robbiejohnson666]

Okay step by step in summary I took out the battery and thestand then pulled the shifter cables and the spedo caable. Then I pulled the tranny mount and the starter bolts I pulled all but the top two bolts and crawled under and took out the top two and dragged the tranny and put it. Off to the side the only thing I didn't do is take the driver side cv out I just popped it after I unbolted the tranny and took the tranny out. Also I pulled the cross member from the bottom to give me more free room to move the driver side cv. Then I just did the reverse to put it all together.

 

[DOHCTA]

It sounds like the starter isn't making contact to your flywheel.

Pull the starter and bench test it. Maybe the sprocket isn't rotating.

Edit: I just read up and I guess the starter is making contact to the FW if the cam gears are rotating.

I'm a little dumb founded how a clutch job turns into a no-start unless you forggot to connect some pig tails, and on that note, our age'd pigtails become brittle, along with the insulation of all of the wires. Back tracking your electrical connections and inspecting broken/rotted wires may be your answer. Did you by chance touch the CAS?

 

[robbiejohnson666]

Also I noticed I have a hose that broke off the sensor thing not quite sure whitch sensor it was it has two hoses running from it to the throttle body and those got pulled off of the throttle body [not sure which one goes were have done the egr delete so one is tied in a knot.] But I checked all my grounds they are good and all of my connectors are hooked up. Also I only started having issues after the clutch install ran before that only other thing I did was an oil change slightly thicker oil mind you 10-40 instead of 5-30 my lead mechanic at work said 10-50 but its like -20 outside right now.

I am positive the starter is doing its thing I pulled the timing belt cover and the cams are turning so I am positive it isn't the starter. It turns over just fine just doesn't start

nd nope cas was never touched nor were most of the pigtails only one I remember taking off was the trans speed sensor and I unpluged the 02 sensor because mine are ziptied together

 

[jozef]

sounds like clutch switch if you ask me real close to what happened to me i just replaced mine works fine now thats my .02

 

[aspekt9]

I'm still going to say you're not getting fuel because you blew the MPI fuse... Before you go off and start looking at the complicated issues you start with the basics:

Is the car getting spark?

Is the engine getting fuel?

Is the flywheel rotating with enough power from the starter?

You still haven't answered me about fuel... have you confirmed you're getting fuel?

 

[n0de]

Not sure if you disconnected or messed with the battery while installing the clutch but you could have popped a fuse. Check your fuses both under the hood and in the cabin first.

Also just out of sheer curiosity and if its not too hard, try push starting the car. I'm highly doubtful this will work seeing as how you say the starter is cranking full steam, but if you are as curious as I am then you might find yourself attempting to push start it anyways.

Also, plug your mass airflow sensor back in.

 

[curt-s]

I'm a little dumb founded how a clutch job turns into a no-start unless you forggot to connect some pig tails, and on that note, our age'd pigtails become brittle, along with the insulation of all of the wires. Back tracking your electrical connections and inspecting broken/rotted wires may be your answer. Did you by chance touch the CAS?

This as well.
It's *so* easy to break one of the wires, usually right at the connector, on these old cars. Mine had so many: TPS, CAS, Coils, Transistors, Oxygen sensor, a couple injector plugs, and even the idle position switch. It's a pain to track them down, but easy to identify since the insulation is the first to go. Check 'em all

 

[robbiejohnson666]

I'm still going to say you're not getting fuel because you blew the MPI fuse... Before you go off and start looking at the complicated issues you start with the basics:

Is the car getting spark?

Is the engine getting fuel?

Is the flywheel rotating with enough power from the starter?

You still haven't answered me about fuel... have you confirmed you're getting fuel?

Not sure how to check that should I gank out an injector. And see if it turns into a squirtgun or what? Also I don't have a maf for my car I can't find one for a n/t but I got a turbo maf is there a way to make that work?

Okay just checked getting fuel but its turning over slow with a full battery

 

[DOHCTA]

You're probably starting to KFC the starter solenoid. Bump starting isn't any different from cranking the flywheel using the starter and you've verified that by checking the rotating assembly in the head via the cam gears.

Also, the clutch switch wouldn't allow you to turn over the engine so you can rule that out. Whether or not it's connected, (mine isn't and I don't bother depressing the clutch pedal on fire up, just in neutral).

If you don't have a fuel pressure gauge, you can pull out a spark plug and smell fuel accumulating in the combustion chamber with the coil disconnected.

On that note, did you mess with your firing order? Or touch your ignition/fuel system at all?

I'm uber curious now

Edit: do you hear your fuel pump priming when you turn key to the ON position?

 

[robbiejohnson666]

Yes I did hear the fuel pump and its getting gas for sure mine is disconected to

 

[silversgst]

Just because you can hear the fuel pump turn on don't actually mean that it has enough pressure or flow to make it work. Take the intercooler pipe off by the intake manifold and spray some carb spray or starter fluid in just to be 100% sure its not fuel.

 

[robbiejohnson666]

So do our cars have pilot bearings? The autozone kit came with one and it fell down so the engine couldn't crank fast enough