Can a GSX be Drifted?

[Sayajin]

Hey. I was wondering is it possible to even drift a 1G GSX? (manual btw) I have heard different responses from different poeple. Many people say that it is almost impossible to drift a AWD car, others say that it can be done however there is no real benefit to doing it becuase of the fact that it is a AWD vehicle. Others say that it can only be done by using the E brake. And yet others tell me HELL YEA u can drift it! Clutch, Stick, Gas, and Brake it around the corner!

I was wondering what the real answer is? Or at least what do most of you say? Also if it can be done however you need a special technique to do it then could you also please outline the technique here? Oh BTW I mainly meen drifting without having to use the E-Brake however I guess if you have to you have to. Thanks a lot!



Sayajin

 

[awdsm drft]

First post!

Yes it is possible, no its not easy, and no you wont be able to do it with decent tires on dry pavement with a completlystock suspension.

With a good amount of knowledge dealing with suspension set ups, it is not hard to set an awd car up for drifting. Camber adjustments and additional rear stiffness along with proper tire pressures are hypothetically the bare minimum.

This is just my prediction and I intend to investigate it.

For all those disbelievers there are several AWD cars on the D1 circuit.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I have seen AWD drifting first hand and I have done it first hand. It is a lot harder to do at slower speeds but then again the intent on a road corse for drifting is to allow you to take the turns at higher speeds. There are a couple of videos of an EVO VII doing this. As for how much power you need I can't say. I never tried to drift before putting the 20G on the car and I would have to say I'm making decent power now.

Like they said earlier in the thread. Drifting is acomplished by inducing oversteer with weight transfer or "fient" is the term if I'm not mistaken. Ebrakes can be used at slower speeds to induce oversteer, but to try and use the ebrake for the entire drift is termed "Ass Dragging" Slide Squad has a whole web page dedicated to this.

 

[talonstylz]

i got a very good idea, why dont all of you who want to drift go and buy the DRIFT BIBLE dvd no wrong answers in there pure knowledge it show 6 ways of drifting

 

[onegee]

its highly unlikely a dsm can drift. you want to know why? we have viscous type LSD. To the person who said watch the drift bible, drifting with a viscous is like drifting with a worn out clutch type lsd. all those evo's drifting and what not have different rear ends then we do. From my knowledge all those evos had the ability to transfer power using they're ACD/AVC(sp?) units.

To the person who has done it first hand, how did you do it? in the snow? in the rain? Show me a technique that can be used in all instances like dry pavement. If you pull the ebrake with an awd, you will mess something up. Keeping the fronts going while trying to lock up the back in our type of awd system isnt ideal.

I dont doubt our cars can be drifted with some decent amount of work, but alot of ppl are saying, "yes it can..blah blah blah.." , What are the facts? This is the 10th post i've read on getting a dsm to drift, half of them with FF cars saying "im a drifter" . Get off the nutz of initial D and learn what a real drift is. Slide Squad which all FF "drifters" name drop, says THEY DO NOT consider it real drifting. My point is this, until i see a video of an AWD DSM drift, not an EVO or an STI, it remains that our cars cant drift.

awdsm drft, what type of rear diffs do the awd cars in the d1 comp. have?

anyway, this isn't a flame post or a slap you in the face post. Im just getting tired of hearing over and over and over "can i drift in..." . If you really want to be a drifter go buy a hachi or a 240sx or a rx7. I live in hawaii and the amount of wannabe drifters here is unbelievable. We had the inital d craze before the mainland, and we started the US drifting. www.driftsession.com we had many articles and pictures dating back to the mid to late 90s. Alot of it was lost when speedhawaii.com changed ownership. we had a guy from team murder go head to head against drifter x pretty well. Anyway, reading the boards and seeing alot of drifting threads is like reliving the past couple years in hawaii where now you cant find a freakin hachi for less than a couple grand beat to hell and a 240 is impossible to find for sale. And everyone and they're best friend are drifters wearing DRFT clothing and say cool words all the time like " i can choku dori" .

ugh. Whatever. "keep it sideways" latez

 

[1FlyTsiVT]

watch teckademics destroy a black 1g drifts a few times in there...

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by onegee
its highly unlikely a dsm can drift. you want to know why? we have viscous type LSD. To the person who said watch the drift bible, drifting with a viscous is like drifting with a worn out clutch type lsd. all those evo's drifting and what not have different rear ends then we do. From my knowledge all those evos had the ability to transfer power using they're ACD/AVC(sp?) units.

To the person who has done it first hand, how did you do it? in the snow? in the rain? Show me a technique that can be used in all instances like dry pavement. If you pull the ebrake with an awd, you will mess something up. Keeping the fronts going while trying to lock up the back in our type of awd system isnt ideal.

I dont doubt our cars can be drifted with some decent amount of work, but alot of ppl are saying, "yes it can..blah blah blah.." , What are the facts? This is the 10th post i've read on getting a dsm to drift, half of them with FF cars saying "im a drifter" . Get off the nutz of initial D and learn what a real drift is. Slide Squad which all FF "drifters" name drop, says THEY DO NOT consider it real drifting. My point is this, until i see a video of an AWD DSM drift, not an EVO or an STI, it remains that our cars cant drift.

awdsm drft, what type of rear diffs do the awd cars in the d1 comp. have?

anyway, this isn't a flame post or a slap you in the face post. Im just getting tired of hearing over and over and over "can i drift in..." . If you really want to be a drifter go buy a hachi or a 240sx or a rx7. I live in hawaii and the amount of wannabe drifters here is unbelievable. We had the inital d craze before the mainland, and we started the US drifting. www.driftsession.com we had many articles and pictures dating back to the mid to late 90s. Alot of it was lost when speedhawaii.com changed ownership. we had a guy from team murder go head to head against drifter x pretty well. Anyway, reading the boards and seeing alot of drifting threads is like reliving the past couple years in hawaii where now you cant find a freakin hachi for less than a couple grand beat to hell and a 240 is impossible to find for sale. And everyone and they're best friend are drifters wearing DRFT clothing and say cool words all the time like " i can choku dori" .

ugh. Whatever. "keep it sideways" latez

Noone asked to be called a wannabe so please keep the negativity to yourself. Just because you can't do it does not mean it can't be done.

 

[leet]

I can't believe this thread is on the main page

 

[xv0vax]

i hope the next thing to come from japan is "DONT DRIVE YOUR CAR" i wonder if everyone will do that to. no offense to all the enthusiasts. heck, im one of them but the moment someone does something everyone else has to catch on to it cause its "cool"

Yes i caught on to drifting and started doing it 4 years ago, but all my friends were telling me i was stupid for doing it and they thought it was dumb, isnt that funny because 2-3years later, there telling me hey! on my way home today i did this bas ass drift you should have seen it! and there whole life is about drifting now and becoming the drift master (ok im exagerating a bit.. but sometimes you see things that way.. and no, my friends arent that bad ) but theyre talking about getting into drift competitions and yet in my 4 years ive never joined one ( i guess cause thats just me i dont care for that stuff, i just do it for the fun of it) ..

Anywho, what i see in America is so many ppl catch on to things.. and then just let go cause its not cool. its like that each time. right now drifting is the coolest thing in the u.s. (in just two short years its been commercialized and even your neibhor with the Dodge Caravan is talkin about doing it) but just because the hype got so big so quick this scene is gonna die out quicker then it started or until "DONT DRIVE YOUR CAR" is the next big thing leaving the true enthusiasts in the sport.

Some of you may agree and some of you dont but that's what sets apart other countries such as Japan.. drifting is a national sport there yet it is more underground there then here.. isnt that funny? America comercializes things for profit and not for the sport and dont even think of respect. sure its good to make profit, but shouldnt there be a limit to that. I'm sorry if this didn't have much to do with the thread but i had to get it out of my system

I am not pointing fingers at anyone i am speaking of this in general.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by leet
I can't believe this thread is on the main page

Where else should it be? It was a simple question about drifting turned into a flame by a few people. It should have only been answered by people who have done it. Instead everyone and thier cousin has a bench philosophy about if it can be done or if it should be done at all.

but the moment someone does something everyone else has to catch on to it cause its "cool"

What do you think DSMs have been for the last two years? Ever since kiddies have seen that green POS in F&F they have been jumping on here asking how to make 10 second cars. This country revolves around "trends" but the key to finding out the true enthusiast are is look at the people who stick with it after thier DSM breaks the first time. Sure drifting is a trend right now and all the kids are jumping on board but at the same time drifting is nothing new. Drifting has been in the US for as long as I can remember but it was never officially called "drifting".

 

[onegee]

DSMnightmare:

i didn't call you a wannabe, did i? and where is the negativity of my post. it has MORE technical info on how to drift if possible if anything. in fact i even gave reasons why it couldn't be done. if you have something technical to debate fine, but if you just want to whine about how you got your feelings hurt, whatever. In my post i clearly put "i live in hawaii and the amount of wannabe drifters...".

Im done talking to you unless you decide to post up a vid showing us your awesome "allwheel drive dorifto acshun from a feinto moshun" . None of your post prove drifting in an awd dsm can be done. all they say is "ive done it, why you gotta hate" kinda thing.

I really hope you can do a real drift in an awd dsm, because honestly id love to use my gsx to drift, but its not reasonable. Show me other wise or give me facts and i'll be more than glad to admit i was very wrong.

and to the bench racing remark. i've drifted with FR cars for sometime. i've used a friends sr20 s13 to practice and mess around with. am i great? by no means. But im applying what i learned/know.

stop replying like everyones against you. thats where you're feeling the negativity.

pz and stay safe during the holiday season

 

[talonted_one]

I personally am aiming to drift my AWD once it's done. Is it a wise thing to do to a car once I sink all this money into it? No, but I enjoy it to the fullest.

I have loved drifting for years now, but until recently have I had the drive to persue this hobby. Me and some friends are even together to enjoy this.I have messed around with it and found that once you get the rear of the car loose the drift is surprisingly easy to control once you arent afraid of the fact that you are sliding sideways.

Drifting isn't for everyone just lik drag racing isn't for everyone. If you don't like it dont' talk about it, and don't watch it. It's that simple.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by onegee
DSMnightmare:

i didn't call you a wannabe, did i? and where is the negativity of my post. it has MORE technical info on how to drift if possible if anything. in fact i even gave reasons why it couldn't be done. if you have something technical to debate fine, but if you just want to whine about how you got your feelings hurt, whatever. In my post i clearly put "i live in hawaii and the amount of wannabe drifters...".

Im done talking to you unless you decide to post up a vid showing us your awesome "allwheel drive dorifto acshun from a feinto moshun" . None of your post prove drifting in an awd dsm can be done. all they say is "ive done it, why you gotta hate" kinda thing.

I really hope you can do a real drift in an awd dsm, because honestly id love to use my gsx to drift, but its not reasonable. Show me other wise or give me facts and i'll be more than glad to admit i was very wrong.

and to the bench racing remark. i've drifted with FR cars for sometime. i've used a friends sr20 s13 to practice and mess around with. am i great? by no means. But im applying what i learned/know.

stop replying like everyones against you. thats where you're feeling the negativity.

pz and stay safe during the holiday season

I'm not saying that DSMs are the most effective at drifting by any means. But your using the fact that the DSM uses viscous traction and that is why it cannot be drifted. The Lambo uses Viscous traction and it is able to drift. I realize that DSMs and Lambos are apples and orages but they both use VT for traction. Drifting a DSM is nowhere near as good as doing it in a 240 or any RWD for that matter. The thing is drifing in a DSM at lower speeds sucks because of the AWD. If the AWD effectively does it's job then the drift will not last long at slower speeds. But coming into a turn at higher speeds and using a "fient" (sp) tenique will induce oversteer allowing for a drift. Granted the minute the AWD pics up traction it is going to pull the car straight but that's it's job. If you look at the EVO drifting videos you'll see what I mean. EVOs drift on road corses but I don't think I have ever seen an AWD in a actual drift competition.


As for the wannabe comment I guess my problem with the deal is that I am just tired people coming in and using bench racing or bench philosophy for why things can and cannot be done. I'm not taking a shot at you because clearly you have tried this but for every person that says it can't be done there is going to be one person to prove them wrong. Like you said I don't have any video to back up my statement but then again most people don't get videos of drifting because it's more appreciated when everyones in the car I did have a video of a buddy of mine drifting in his 3000GT VR4 but I would have to dig it out if I can find it.

 

[awdsm drft]

Mister onegee, in response to your question directed to me, ill dodge it by responding with; do you have to build a d1 car to drift? Does every car set up for drifting have to have 500hp or 3000 dollar coilovers? No!

Do you need an lsd that costs more than your car to drift? I seriously doubt it.

Though i feel were you're coming from. Everybody's jumping on the dorifto bandwagon (myself included). And true there doesnt seem to be anyone using a dsm as a drift platform, but just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it cant happen.

Like i said I intend to investigate. I really believe its possible so its just a matter of how much work is required.

As for those offering advice on how to drift in awd. Dont use the ebrake. You'll damage your rear breaks quickly. I recommend using weight transfer and the cars inertia to lighten the back end and generate oversteer.

I've tried this recently on my stock suspension with limited but promising success. As of now the rear end is way to soft to maintain a slide. The car rolls hard to the outside witch kills momentum.

 

[superbike87]

Drift is just another fun way of driving. Some people like grip and some people like drift. IMO a car cant be DRIFTED if its AWD or FWD. In Japan they call FWD "drifting" ass dragging because its pretty much all ebrake work. And everybody can pull the ebrake. And they say that AWD is way easier to control than RWD. They call it a power slide. And thats why they like RWD, its for the challenge. They conqured (spelling) grip so they found something else thats fun. And i have heard this already but drifting is about weight distribution. With RWD drifting is drifting. No matter if its in snow or rain, on pavement or whatever. True drift contests are on pavement, but snow and such is how you learn. One of my friends is very very big into drift, so this is where i get this stuff. And by the way this is all my opinion. everyone has their own opinion and i support that.

 

[spooling95gst]

Isn't it easier to bring the back end of the car out if you have bigger sway bars in the rear? cause Teg Type-R's have real big rear sway bars in the rear and the ass comes out real easy on them with no e-brake....

 

[CowPimp]

From my experience with pushing my DSM to the limit, I would say that it is very hard to drift an AWD DSM. It's just really hard to completely break traction.

I've thrown myself really hard into corners that have a lot of buffer area in case of traction loss. In these situations, the car will slide a little bit, but you will still have some degree of steering control. Getting the car to move completely sideways seems like a real challenge. Even if you got the car moving sideways, I bet it would still pull forward because of the awesome power of AWD traction.

My point is not to say that drifting an AWD DSM is impossible, but it seems like it woud be really hard even with the proper suspension setup. I just feel the driver would have to be very skilled to pull it off.

 

[leet]

Yes, that's why I said that. All the flaming has ruined this thread.

 

[Defiant]

The answer remains enigmatic as the thread wanders into a courtesy-sifter.

Regardless, that's plenty for now.