Caliper relocation w/ brackets & oversized rotors?

[Artago]

I was thinking of doing a slight brake upgrade for my DD. Nothing crazy... I was thinking of doing a stock 2 piston relocation on over sized rotors. Kinda of like the Power Slot kit but piecing it together myself for cheap.

I assume someone has done this. Brackets + Rotors only. Couple questions...

Anyone have the bracket specs? Any chance someone is selling them prefabbed so I don't have to make them?

What over sized rotors will work?

Just curios. Thanks.

 

[eclipsyco]

I want this too!!! anyone!!! Did you had any luck?

 

[jtmcinder]

It could be done, but a floating (one-sided) 2-pot is just not the way to go. If you're going to put in the effort to have better brakes, you really have to switched to fixed (two-sided) 4-or-more pot calipers.

Now, you can argue back and say that braking torque is braking torque, and getting more torque from only increasing the lever-arm is just as good - in theory - as either just increasing the clamping force or increasing both the lever-arm and the clamping force, but that's just not true in practice. In practice, there needs to be more balance between the sources of torque and, in practice, asking those stupid pins on a floating caliper to keep the forces even when they are hot and working hard is just asking too much of them.

Thus, I repeat: I would not put the effort into moving OE floating calipers outwards. Make the jump to fixed calipers at the same time.

If you want a good fabricator for this kind of job: Ryan at ThompsonRacingFabrication.com totally rocks. He's the guy that made the rally brakes for my Evo X. And he charges less than 2/3rds of what places like AMS asks.

 

[Artago]

It could be done, but a floating (one-sided) 2-pot is just not the way to go. If you're going to put in the effort to have better brakes, you really have to switched to fixed (two-sided) 4-or-more pot calipers.

Now, you can argue back and say that braking torque is braking torque, and getting more torque from only increasing the lever-arm is just as good - in theory - as either just increasing the clamping force or increasing both the lever-arm and the clamping force, but that's just not true in practice. In practice, there needs to be more balance between the sources of torque and, in practice, asking those stupid pins on a floating caliper to keep the forces even when they are hot and working hard is just asking too much of them.

Thus, I repeat: I would not put the effort into moving OE floating calipers outwards. Make the jump to fixed calipers at the same time.

If you want a good fabricator for this kind of job: Ryan at ThompsonRacingFabrication.com totally rocks. He's the guy that made the rally brakes for my Evo X. And he charges less than 2/3rds of what places like AMS asks.

Interesting, thanks for the info. I was trying to do this on a budget so that's why I was looking at oversized rotors and brackets.

One of the members here did a outlander bracket/rotor upgrade. I was hoping to do the same. I'll dig up the thread when I'm not at work and post a link.

I don't need anything crazy/expensive, just a little more would be nice.

What are your thoughts?

Tom

 

[silvreclips]

There a thread on here somewhere of someone using audi rotors and making his own bracket. Do some searches and Im sure you can find it.

 

[black_gst]

THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET A LITTLE MORE BRAKING POWER IS HERE
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/397589-new-brakes-gsx-budget.html

IM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OUTLANDER SWAP. THE ONLY COST IS NEW ROTORS AND THE BRACKETS AND GIVES YOU .8" LARGER ROTOR, BUT I ALSO SWAPPED TO A 3G BRAKE BOOSTER AND 3G BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER.

THE NEXT CHEAPEST UPGRADE IS THE COBRA SETUP WITH EITHER COBRA CALIPERS OF VR4 CALIPERS.

JUST REMEMBER YOU NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR MASTER CYLINDER WHEN UPGRADING CALIPERS

 

[eclipsyco]

Yes! thanks finally a straight answer so basically now cheap way to go! better start saving.

 

[Artago]

THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET A LITTLE MORE BRAKING POWER IS HERE
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/397589-new-brakes-gsx-budget.html

Yes, this is the thread I was talking about. I wanted to do this small upgrade but sourcing the calliper brackets is proving to be difficult.

Tom

 

[miguelmcv]

I would say, go with a steelth 4 pot calipers and rotors, calipers are cheap at ebay and rotors doesn't really matter which you will buy new one any ways, so the price is close to what ever rotor you use.
I was going to use some stealth calipers and rotors that I have laying in my garage, But I found some Jaguar 4 pot and have a more agresive look, so my stealth set up still in my garage collecting some dust.

I did a very cheap set up with the Jaguar 4 pot calipers, I had to make some spacers for it to accept the 24cm rotors from the z370 (14"), It came up nice, But I wouldn't recommend them for race, drag, etc etc etc, which they are not aluminum, they are extremely heavy, But for my DD, they are perfect, I can't even explain what difference they make.


My total was around $400, including brackets and brake lines.

Here is a close up of the set up.

 

[4g63tc]

Yes, this is the thread I was talking about. I wanted to do this small upgrade but sourcing the calliper brackets is proving to be difficult.

Tom

Get them from the dealer, easy enough. that's where i got mine. why spend days, weeks, months trying to source something that will save you a grand total of 30 bucks?

Outlander upgrade,

Your stock calipers
Stock outlander rotors
and outlander caliper brackets

Done!

See the Outlander brake threads for PN#'s

 

[Artago]

I would say, go with a steelth 4 pot calipers and rotors, calipers are cheap at ebay and rotors doesn't really matter which you will buy new one any ways, so the price is close to what ever rotor you use.
I was going to use some stealth calipers and rotors that I have laying in my garage, But I found some Jaguar 4 pot and have a more agresive look, so my stealth set up still in my garage collecting some dust.

I did a very cheap set up with the Jaguar 4 pot calipers, I had to make some spacers for it to accept the 24cm rotors from the z370 (14"), It came up nice, But I wouldn't recommend them for race, drag, etc etc etc, which they are not aluminum, they are extremely heavy, But for my DD, they are perfect, I can't even explain what difference they make.


My total was around $400, including brackets and brake lines.

Here is a close up of the set up.

What kind of brackets do you need for that setup again?

 

[miguelmcv]

I did them, I just bought a 1/2 inch thick aluminum plate and cut it to the shape I wanted,, Aluminum is very soft, I cut it by hand and smooth it out to have a good end finish, even the spacers were made by hand including all the drilling and staff, I paid $20 for the aluminum plate which it was enough to make both brackets, I used 1 washer on each bolt to align the calipers with the rotor.

 

[eclipsyco]

2GNT.com Forums - Viewing topic - Outlander brake swap This looks good and cheap is this what you guys been talking?

 

[Artago]

I did them, I just bought a 1/2 inch thick aluminum plate and cut it to the shape I wanted,, Aluminum is very soft, I cut it by hand and smooth it out to have a good end finish, even the spacers were made by hand including all the drilling and staff, I paid $20 for the aluminum plate which it was enough to make both brackets, I used 1 washer on each bolt to align the calipers with the rotor.

I don't know if I feel safe having my brake calliper brackets made out of aluminium. Seems sketchy weak.

 

[Joethefallen23]

I don't know if I feel safe having my brake calliper brackets made out of aluminium. Seems sketchy weak.

I don't see why not. I've run into quite a few calipers bolted directly to aluminum knuckles; either Chrysler or GM if I recall. A bit weird at first but more common than you'd think.

 

[miguelmcv]

A lot of people use steel brackets for more clearance and not because aluminum is not safe, using aluminum requires to be thicker than steel, that's why people use steel.

However, I used 1/2 inch thick aluminum which that's more then safe.

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

I did the Outlander upgrade and it's noticeable upgrade. Not life changing, but it's pretty good. I have not been to the track/strip, but the other setup performed pretty well, I'm sure this setup is more than capable. Once all is bolted up it's not a big visual upgrade, but oh well, you can still tell it's a bit bigger than stock. It's the same size as the dust shield.