B&M and clone short shifter 2nd gen eBay Megan [Merged 3-7]

[blkGSTspider]

this is second time im buying the knock out B&M short shifter from ebay and having same problem..

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does that metal thing have to go into top hole or bottom hole?
in the real B&M instalation, it should be fit into bottom hole but the hole is too small and it does not go in...
i searched but everyone seems have no problems with ebay knock out short shifters...

 

[Eclipse98Spyder]

I just put that same one on yesterday I had no problems but some people had problems with it to. You will have to drill it out a little so it slides right in. And it goes in the small hole here go to this link its for a B&M Shifter but its all the same: http://www.roadraceengineering.com/instructions/bm-shortshifterinstructions.htm

Hope it helped

 

[BK85]

Be careful when you tighten the nuts up. That "metal thing" with the threads on both ends was getting loose on mine and when I checked the nut it was stripped out and would not tighten or loosen. I ran another nut down to hold the first one in place and the threaded end of that shaft broke off.

BK85

 

[exile]

Sounds like a quality product.

 

[BK85]

Yep,, should have gone with the B&M

BK85

 

[NJgsx]

i have an aftermarket shifter in my car... short shifter obviously... but its the same height as my stock ... how can i make it smaller. or does anyone know who sells one that is a lot shorter ?

 

[Dream On]

You could always cut it and reweld it.

 

[No_Skillz]

The best short shifters reduce throw, not height. No point in having shorter height.

 

[4pistons]

No point in having shorter height

There sure is! Anytime you can reduce the amount of motion to shift you save time. Whether you do it by shortening the height of the shifter or the lever arm underneath it really doesn't matter. The longer your shifter is the farther it has to move to make the shift. If you cut the height you lose a little leverage. If you lengthen the lever (underneath the pivot) you gain speed but you may overextend the shift forks and break them if you don't install new stops.

I cut my shifter down about 1-1/2" and I can shift much faster, with less movement than stock, and with practically no noticable extra effort. I didn't have to worry about setting up new stops either. It's an easy and worthwhile mod for a street car.

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[No_Skillz]

The best set up shifters have very short throw, and are tall, right next to the steering wheel. You as an autocrosser should know the benefits in that.

 

[4pistons]

There is no performance benefit to a tall shifter other than leverage. I'm talking street cars here, not race cars. The farther you have to move, the slower the shift. Right next to the steering wheel would be nice but in the real world it's not practical to reengineer your shift linkage to that extent.

I'll refer back to my statement, "Cutting your stock shifter is an easy and worthwhile mod for a street car." We don't have to make it more complicated than that do we?

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[No_Skillz]

There is no performance benefit to a tall shifter other than leverage.

Keeping your hands closer to the wheel is a huge performance benefit. Combined with easier shifting, it would go to make large improvements in track times. In the real world, it would result in highly enjoyable driving

I'm talking street cars here, not race cars.

But why would you go through to the trouble of modding a sports car in a direction that doesn't help race cars?

The farther you have to move, the slower the shift.

Which is why I said a correctly set up shifter is tall and has short throw.

Right next to the steering wheel would be nice but in the real world it's not practical to reengineer your shift linkage to that extent.

Would be nice, as in has some great performance gains? Of course it's practical. Instead of cutting apart a perfectly good stock shifter, a B&M replica off ebay can be had for 30 some odd dollars, shortens throw up to 50%, and is just barely shorter than stock.

I'll refer back to my statement, "Cutting your stock shifter is an easy and worthwhile mod for a street car." We don't have to make it more complicated than that do we?

In my opinion, cutting and rewelding isn't as easy or worthwile as an e-bay shifter which works much better. It didn't need to be more complicated if everyone had just listened to me in the first place.

 

[4pistons]

cutting and rewelding isn't as easy or worthwile as an e-bay shifter which works much better

I cut, rewelded and reinstalled mine in 30 minutes for $0! It works MUCH better than stock. How much easier and whorthwhile can it get??

shortens throw up to 50%, and is just barely shorter than stock

So is a correctly setup shifter tall or is shorter better?

Right next to the steering wheel would be nice but in the real world it's not practical to reengineer your shift linkage to that extent.

I'm talking about moving the entire shifter closer to the wheel like a Rally car. You'd have to mount your shifter assembly up higher and closer, and then form the center console around it. Not practical. Unless you're driving a race car the advantages aren't worth the effort.

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[No_Skillz]

I cut, rewelded and reinstalled mine in 30 minutes for $0! It works MUCH better than stock. How much easier and whorthwhile can it get??

So is a correctly setup shifter tall or is shorter better?

I'm talking about moving the entire shifter closer to the wheel like a Rally car. You'd have to mount your shifter assembly up higher and closer, and then form the center console around it. Not practical. Unless you're driving a race car the advantages aren't worth the effort.

Rick - '91 GSX

Sure you can cut and reweld, but not many people have access to a welder, and like I've already discussed to death already... short height is not ideal. So lets get over it.

A correctly set up shifter is tall and short throw. I still don't know why you still won't admit tall height and short throw are best.

You don't need to move the entire shifter closer. Just don't move it the other way.

I've already proven my point several times. I still don't understand what you're trying to point out. If no purpose is brought up, lets stop wasting time in this thread.

 

[Defiant]

lets stop wasting time in this thread.

Terrific idea. My apologies for not noticing earlier it's in a TECH area.

 

[visualsinz]

what do you guys think about the obx short shifter. tryin to save a little money instead of going B&M

 

[Defiant]

I think your question has been answered dozens of times. The OBX and other of that type are just too junky.
This is the first I've heard of a B&M clone having a problem.

 

[GSTinBR]

I just got the B&M clone shifter from ebay. I tried installing it yesterday evening but the pivot shoulder wouldn't go throug the pivot (top hole with the bearing in it). I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if so what you did to fix it.

I contacted the seller but haven't heard back from him yet. I've read mostly good reviews about these shifters so I'm wonderng if maybe I'm just doing something wrong.

By the way, I followed these instructions for the install:

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/instructions/bm-shortshifterinstructions.htm

 

[Defiant]

Are you guys getting the pin backward or something? Did they run a batch out of spec?

 

[Locutus78]

That looks like the one I purchased from boneheadperformance on ebay. It was an easy install, right after I sanded (with included paper) the pivot arm on the base. It slid right on after that, and shifts great. That was when the car was running.

 

[AL92]

I installed the short shift b and m and was wondering should I not tigthen the top little nut that locktites on there and has the plastic washers on each side of the metal piece. Some say yes some say no.The instructions were not very clear. Its working ok but might be a taking a bit more effort than necessary.

It is the part with the supplied locknut.

 

[99gst_racer]

The shifter assembly must pivot on that top shaft, so if you tighten that bolt all the way onto the shaft, then it will not allow the shifter to move (or it will be very stiff). Make sure the bolt it tightened into the shaft, but do not make it tight so where it affects your ability to shift.

 

[b4christ15]

Im having the exact same problem. Im following the directions on RRE's site and the pivot shoulder will not fit through the hole its supposed to go through. Im not sure if I'm missing something, but I cant get it in.

 

[redeclipse7782]

Great site that has detailed information and quality pics
http://www.turbo4wd.com

 

[chisox7858]

well i bought an ebay short shifter, looks identical to the b&m but has an extra piece about as big as the shift pin...