AWD Drift?!

[endeffect0]

Last I checked there were no set rules for drifting that HAD to be followed.

actually there are alot of rules for those events. including some of the most stringent safety restrictions you find in amateur racing. Obviously the rules change depending on what series your involved in.. but none the less all major 'shows' have quite comprehensive rule books.

that obviously excludes some of the local non invitational events. most still require a 6point bar for any wheel to wheel action.

on of the major problems in the sport is making the jump from stupid kid who can drive to competing in any events. most east-coast tracks now want full cages and FIA approved seats and gear to even let you on the pavement. which is a little nuts when the same road course lets club days run completely stock cars.



anywhooooo... back to Awd ya.

I just put on my snow tires

come on winter Do Your Worst!

 

[TSI Fanatic]

Same here. Thisll be my first winter with my talon so lookin forward to seein how she handles the canadian winter backroads!

 

[imagine-02]

I used to want to drift my dsm before I got an e30, so I did a lot of research on it.
From my understanding, in order to convert it from awd to rwd, all you have to do is put stub axles in for the front and then weld the center diff.
For awd drifting a dsm, the thing I would be worried about is destroying the crappy transmission.

Drifting my e30 in the winter definitely helped keep me in the "swing" of drifting. It's not exactly the same of course, but it helps with improving control. Like with learning how to get out of a fish tale.

 

[rock1t]

I used to want to drift my dsm before I got an e30, so I did a lot of research on it.
From my understanding, in order to convert it from awd to rwd, all you have to do is put stub axles in for the front and then weld the center diff.
For awd drifting a dsm, the thing I would be worried about is destroying the crappy transmission.

Drifting my e30 in the winter definitely helped keep me in the "swing" of drifting. It's not exactly the same of course, but it helps with improving control. Like with learning how to get out of a fish tale.

Actually your understanding is incorrect.

When you pull your front axles, you will still get 50% of the power to the rear, and 50% to the front. If you would weld the center diff, that will mean you will always be getting the true 50/50 split.

Also, you can drift a AWD car. I would rather drift awd than rwd.

 

[endeffect0]

Actually your understanding is incorrect.

When you pull your front axles, you will still get 50% of the power to the rear, and 50% to the front. If you would weld the center diff, that will mean you will always be getting the true 50/50 split.

funny thing about that. with a welded center and any 2 wheels off the ground (or disconnected) all the power will still make it to the ground via what ever wheels are touching. yes the remaining axles will still be spinning at the same rate but they will be using virtually no power.

so either pull your drive shaft or front axles on a welded dif and jump on a 2wd dyno you still get an accurate number.. not 50% of the torque. hell if you had all welded diffs and some how put only one tire on the dyno it would still read all of the available torque...
(obviously this is all ignoring drive train loss.)

 

[imagine-02]

I got the idea of taking out the axles and replacing with stubs and welding the center diff from people that actually did it and it worked for them. There are several videos on youtube of people doing exactly that with their dsms. Some did it for dynoing on a 2wd dyno and some were just for messing around. I'm not saying 100% of the power goes to the back wheels either because I haven't tested it or seen tests done, so I won't be making up numbers and spreading them around as truth.

I never said you can't drift awd. I saw the videos, I'm not ignorant. I just said I would be worried about drifting an awd dsm because the transmissions are crap.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but please read before posting and don't post your theories as truth when people have already tested it. Spread knowledge, not theories.

 

[pj91gsx]

those videos are crazy!!! i wish i had awd

fwds can do 180s easier.

 

[yeti-gvr4]

its cause he hit the skirt

you mean she!?!

 

[stockfornow]

I got the idea of taking out the axles and replacing with stubs and welding the center diff from people that actually did it and it worked for them. There are several videos on youtube of people doing exactly that with their dsms. Some did it for dynoing on a 2wd dyno and some were just for messing around. I’m not saying 100% of the power goes to the back wheels either because I haven’t tested it or seen tests done, so I won’t be making up numbers and spreading them around as truth.

I never said you can’t drift awd. I saw the videos, I’m not ignorant. I just said I would be worried about drifting an awd dsm because the transmissions are crap.

I don’t mean to sound like an ass, but please read before posting and don’t post your theories as truth when people have already tested it. Spread knowledge, not theories.

First of all, sorry for bringing this up from dead, but i just felt like I should put this out here.
Welded center diff, and welded rear 4 bolt diff, no front axles:

I used try to drift my DSM, but the steering needs more turn angle, and I had to run oversized tires in the rear because I was spinning them at around 90MPH trying to keep it straight... This was in 2009 my 1st ever drift event, now I'm in the middle of building a S14 240sx, if interested check out couple teaser pics at News - Colorado Drift Team & Event Providers With some decent turn angle.

On the side note I'll try AWD drifting also, will post here about that after this summer

 

[mattmullin]

Hi I have been working on a purpose built awd drift car for the last year and a half or so.. I took it to one event for a shakedown run and it works very very well! I am running a cusco 65/35 centre and i love it! As well as a quaife front and kaaz rear. much time and money under the hood and chassis! I am currently mounting the rad in the rear, installing a haltech ps2000 ecu and dash as well as a rally style anti lag system!!!

I plan on compeeting in the cscs drift series this year with the talon but i also have a 300zx but i think awd drifting is way more bad ass! i was the only awd car at the event last year and it was crazy how much faster i was able to slide the corners.

 

[123abc]

So you run the stock center viscus setup in junction with the cusco? How is the throttle over?

 

[RipperXX]

cusco 65/35 center and i love it!

As well as a quaife front

and kaaz rear

Hi I have been working on a purpose built awd drift car for the last year and a half or so.. I took it to one event for a shakedown run and it works very very well! I am running a cusco 65/35 centre and i love it! As well as a quaife front and kaaz rear. much time and money under the hood and chassis! I am currently mounting the rad in the rear, installing a haltech ps2000 ecu and dash as well as a rally style anti lag system!!!

I plan on compeeting in the cscs drift series this year with the talon but i also have a 300zx but i think awd drifting is way more bad ass! i was the only awd car at the event last year and it was crazy how much faster i was able to slide the corners.

Since your moving your radiator to the rear, i'd love to see pictures of this, and how your ducting the air to it! There was an awesome build thread on dsmtalk a while back where a Swedish guy was doing the same. But all the sudden out of no where half way though the build thread the updates ended and no one ever heard from him again.

 

[123abc]

cusco 65/35 center and i love it!

As well as a quaife front

and kaaz rear

Yes, I can read as well however from what I've read, the cusco unit is seperate from the actual viscous coupler. I could be wrong though....

 

[mattmullin]

I will post pics of the rear rad set up next week. i dont have any pics of my work yet.. i have welded some scoops onto the body that will get air to the rad as well as half of the airflow will be coming from under the car.
And as far as the viscous coupler goes... when u first give it that shot of gas to get the ass end out it feels very tail happy and a few seconds into the slid u can feel the power pretty much even front to rear.. so it works awesome! once the car is sideways all the hard work is done just stay on it and point and shoot. and for track driving i love it as well no more understeer!

 

[Scott McIntyre]

The Cusco Tarmac Gear 35/65 center differential comes with a spacer than can be used to replace the stock viscous coupler. If you run the spacer (i.e. no viscous coupler) then it's an open center differential. Once one end of the car starts to spin, all the power will be directed to that end. And considering the rear biased torque split, it would usually be the rear that breaks loose first, especially if you have a front limited slip.

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The other option is to run the stock viscous coupler with the Cusco, and it behaves exactly as Matt describes above. The rear breaks loose and a couple seconds later (once the viscous coupler heats up / locks) the torque split goes 50/50 like stock. This is the way I currently have mine setup, and is probably the best way to go if you still have the stock open front diff. Otherwise you could potentially have all power going to one front wheel if it should start spinning.

I suspect the ultimate setup would be to have upgraded limited slip front & rear differentials and the Cusco without the viscous coupler. This is the way Charles runs his. Once I finally get a Quaife front (to go with my EVO rear), I plan to try running without the viscous coupler as well.

Hope this helps answer your question.

 

[ArcticTsi]

Having lived in Japan for the better part of 15 years, guys there drift everything. From K's(660cc & less) econo boxes, RWD, FWD, AWD, cars, vans & station wagons. All have pretty huge followings. So in the land of where it was born, there is no distinction in the vehicle. A drifter is a drifter.

An oldie but goodie, AWD 4G63 powered, Jun's tuned no less

Jun Evo

 

[Kyle d32a]

I love this thread. People bickering and good ol' awd drift! Love the vids, keep em comin.

 

[stockfornow]

Hi I have been working on a purpose built awd drift car for the last year and a half or so.. I took it to one event for a shakedown run and it works very very well! I am running a cusco 65/35 centre and i love it! As well as a quaife front and kaaz rear. much time and money under the hood and chassis! I am currently mounting the rad in the rear, installing a haltech ps2000 ecu and dash as well as a rally style anti lag system!!!

I plan on compeeting in the cscs drift series this year with the talon but i also have a 300zx but i think awd drifting is way more bad ass! i was the only awd car at the event last year and it was crazy how much faster i was able to slide the corners.

Sorry, for my pic not showing up, but you can look them up under my profile.

First of all why would you want to mount your radiator in the rear? If you do that, you might want to cut side scoops on the quarter panels and duct them into your radiator, roof scoop also, ducted to your radiator (for when your going straight). I also have found that a reg. 3.8L ford taurus radiator fan works awesome, however be ready that it pulls a lot of amps!

AWD is pretty cool, when doing solo runs... But I don't see tandem runs, as easy/safe, as it is harder to control when in a little trouble. Just my opinion...

Oh, and what Kaaz rear end are you running 1.5 or 2 way?

 

[mattmullin]

Im mounting the rad in the rear to move some weight back. the car is very nose heavy so im doin what i can. and yes there are side scoops for getting air to the rad, as far as fans im runing dual slim pullers and my rear diff is a kaaz 1.5.

 

[Wobet]

Im mounting the rad in the rear to move some weight back. the car is very nose heavy so im doin what i can. and yes there are side scoops for getting air to the rad, as far as fans im runing dual slim pullers and my rear diff is a kaaz 1.5.

Lots of venting and scoops like previously stated. But instead of messing around with things like that, don't drifters usually adjust the suspension to compensate for heavy ends. Like a stiffer slightly higher front end but less stiff rear. (crossweight in mind keeping it as equal as possible?)

 

[123abc]

Lots of venting and scoops like previously stated. But instead of messing around with things like that, don't drifters usually adjust the suspension to compensate for heavy ends. Like a stiffer slightly higher front end but less stiff rear. (crossweight in mind keeping it as equal as possible?)

You can only do so much to try and disguise a nose heavy car.

 

[Misterbeechy]

wooord ya'll havent seen tokyo drift that evo slides like butter at 20mph like everyother car oo jk guys..

GUYS check out KEN BLOCK on youtube and his gymkhana courses.. he was a STI driver then went to Fords Fiesta i cant tell you what he drives right now but he is nasty.. they also have vids on the build on his cars..

reason why he went to ford fiesta was because subie had dropped out of WRC and ford offered him to drive their car and he wanted to keep racing so he joined

 

[cookmeup272]

We all know Ken Block.

 

[ramsack]

I don't even think those cars are AWD any more, they seem to be just 4WD or at least have really sensitive LSDs to lock up instantly.

 

[Spyder FX]

wooord ya'll havent seen tokyo drift that evo slides like butter at 20mph like everyother car oo jk guys..

GUYS check out KEN BLOCK on youtube and his gymkhana courses.. he was a STI driver then went to Fords Fiesta i cant tell you what he drives right now but he is nasty.. they also have vids on the build on his cars..

reason why he went to ford fiesta was because subie had dropped out of WRC and ford offered him to drive their car and he wanted to keep racing so he joined

You mean the Ken Block that lost at his own sport to Tanner Foust?