AWD Drift?!

[bNasty]

haha I thought it was standard convention that xx/yy, being xx=front and yy=rear. Are you dyslexic?

60/40 sounds better than 40/60, just like when you say the score of a football game you dont say 3 to 10 you say 10 to 3

 

[cookmeup272]

well then how will you ever be able to know what wheels the person is talking about . Just stick to the 60/40

 

[bNasty]

well then how will you ever be able to know what wheels the person is talking about . Just stick to the 60/40

most people looking at this thread would know when i was saying 60/40 it was obvious that more power was going to the rear wheels.

 

[cookmeup272]

except for standard235....and any other potential noobs who might troll this thread later on

 

[bradcurtis15]

My buddys talon tsi has a galant vr4 tranny and he drifts like that all day without trying he has to try to go slow or he just gets sideways

 

[vinnio]

60/40 sounds better than 40/60, just like when you say the score of a football game you dont say 3 to 10 you say 10 to 3

Depends on if your team won or not! (effin Vikings )

I've always heard it was a 50/50 torque split. But the fronts are more prone to spin due to us having a transverse mounted engine. You can call BS on me if you want because I'm not 100%.

Ill check Mitchel on demand tomorrow.

 

[Novec64]

TRE MaxLock rear LSD

Evo123 Mechanical centre differentials?

 

[cookmeup272]

I am about 99% sure its not 50/50 and that it is 60/40. Also I think the fronts are more prone to spin because of the viscous coupler and how it diverts power to the rear. And as far as the GVR4 tranny goes....i have a JDM galant VR4 tranny in mine, i dont think this changes anything

 

[talontsi18]

Cusco - Tarmac Gear - Center Diff - Nengun Performance
Cusco makes a tarmac center diff that changes the 50/50 power split to a 35/65 f/r (its listed as a evo I-III). That diff would make a dsm more tail happy. Here is a good video of a 1G with some power. Garaget | Mitsubishi Eclipse 4wd making serious donuts!

 

[Novec64]

Cusco - Tarmac Gear - Center Diff - Nengun Performance
Cusco makes a tarmac center diff that changes the 50/50 power split to a 35/65 f/r (its listed as a evo I-III). That diff would make a dsm more tail happy. Here is a good video of a 1G with some power. Garaget | Mitsubishi Eclipse 4wd making serious donuts!

That's the kind of fun stuff I was looking for! Thank you talontsi18.

 

[cookmeup272]

Man that center diff is $$$. That 1g seems to just slide around on the pavement. I wish my car could oversteer like that .

 

[flyineagletsi]

Yeah I'm surprised more dsm's don't run a center diff with more rear power split like that cusco one. $2000 is a bit much but I've seen people spend money like that on completely worthless items like a body kit or something.

 

[ACM]

The 1G and 2G DSM torque split is 50/50, the Evo 1-9 is 50/50, 3000GT is 45/55 rear bias, the Cusco is 35/65 rear, and the STI torque split varies depending on the model year, from 40/60 rear to 45/55 rear.

The Cusco Tarmac is advertised as an LSD, where in fact it is actually an open diff; fitting the VC restricts the torque split - fitting a fresh VC essentially disables to torque split turning the Tarmac back to a 50/50 diff. It is very much a double-edged sword, and causes as many problems as it cures; tuning the car around the Cusco is a long and difficult process - it is no quick fix for anything.

The front wheels spin due to simple physics - when the car accelerates weight transfers to the rear, thus the fronts lose grip and spin.

The VC function is due to differential rotation of the coaxial output shafts of the centre diff, when one end of the car rotates faster than the other the two "halves" of the VC rotate at different speed, this heats up the goo inside the VC, forces the plates together and locks the two sides together turning the car into a truck/SUV style 4WD - this is never good from a handling perspective, but excellent from a "get me the he11 out of this slippery $h!t".

Internally, a VC is similar to a clutch-pack LSD in that it contains alternating plates splined to the centre and the outer shell; it differs in that the plates don't (normally) contact each other, and they are immersed in some form of goop. The original VC, developed by Ferguson, used a variation of Silly Putty which solidified when subjected to shear forces; most modern VCs use specially formulated oil which behaves similarly, or they use expansion of the liquid medium to force the plates into contact, achieving the same end.

 

[Novec64]

1. Cusco Tarmac Gear Center Diff $2000

2. TRE MaxLock Evo III or VIII LSD rear $1000

3. Fat rear sway bar

4. Ralliart VCU or VCU Eliminator?

That's a good bit of cash, but it seems to be worth it. It pisses me off that most people think DSM's are only competitive in drag. Please keep posting videos that make Ken Block look bad.

 

[ACM]

If you put a stiff VC on the Cusco you stop it from doing its job. You need to use a very heavily worn VC or none at all.

The Cusco comes with a collar that replaces the VC and allows the diff to work freely. Be aware however that you need two locating ball bearings, if you use only one (as stock) when you pull the transfer case off the cross shaft will come out with it ! When you're in a hurry (as I was) it definitely qualifies as a major PITA.

 

[Novec64]

If you put a stiff VC on the Cusco you stop it from doing its job. You need to use a very heavily worn VC or none at all.

The Cusco comes with a collar that replaces the VC and allows the diff to work freely. Be aware however that you need two locating ball bearings, if you use only one (as stock) when you pull the transfer case off the cross shaft will come out with it ! When you're in a hurry (as I was) it definitely qualifies as a major PITA.

Makes enough sense. I know there are plenty of threads about them, but how do you like the Cusco? Do you have rear lsd?

 

[Novec64]

So why don't we see more DSM's being competitive and built all around? 2G Eclipse vs Evo

Stitch welding on a DSM? I haven't seen much of it. Check this build out: S13 Build

 

[ViciousLord]

So why don't we see more DSM's being competitive and built all around? 2G Eclipse vs Evo

Because everyone just wants top end power. the real fun is around corners!

Stitch welding on a DSM? I haven't seen much of it. Check this build out: S13 Build

Considering i have the whole interior stripped down to metal, I'm looking for more info on "stitch welding" good find!

 

[Lofty]

There's not much to stitch welding, you weld little inch long beads around the chassis parts that will flex, because if you just lay a whole bead down, you'll warp the metal.

That's all!

 

[gusu]

I've only drifted on gravel and snow In my Dsm. What I found is it drifts a lot like a STI, you can always start a drift with a nice scandinavian flick then you either need a lot of power or controlled e-breaking. A simple power over drift will usually not work with out A LOT of power. I don't do other drifts like shift locks that can really mess up your car, same thing with clutch kicks which I'd assume would be useless anyway.

 

[123abc]

I've only drifted on gravel and snow In my Dsm. What I found is it drifts a lot like a STI, you can always start a drift with a nice scandinavian flick then you either need a lot of power or controlled e-breaking. A simple power over drift will usually not work with out A LOT of power. I don't do other drifts like shift locks that can really mess up your car, same thing with clutch kicks which I'd assume would be useless anyway.

After rebuilding the rear suspension on my 91 with poly bushings and welding the trailing arms, I can induce power over on a 14b when I have the boost turned up. The key is how you drive the car and, on a 1g, fixing that horrible trailing arm issue.


Also, clutch kicks do work if used right. However, a stock vehicle with stock bushings on the motor, driveshaft, clutch would probably not fair so well....

 

[ViciousLord]

There's not much to stitch welding, you weld little inch long beads around the chassis parts that will flex, because if you just lay a whole bead down, you'll warp the metal.

That's all!

Thanks again! Anything to stiffen up this chassis will help. Considering this my first DSM ever, I'm trying to build a "fun" car not a racer.

 

[dsmrollerz90]

YouTube - Talon TSi awd doughnuts

 

[standard235]

except for standard235....and any other potential noobs who might troll this thread later on

I'm not a n00b but I'm curious. I was always told it's a 50/50 which would still cause it to understeer like a pig under power.

If you type 60/40, that is a front bias unless otherwise noted. F/R.

Meh. I don't care. It's the internet, do what you want.

 

[Novec64]

Subarus get sideways better than DSM's.