AWD Drift?!

[SOADweskey]

To clear up some things, DSMs are mechanically 50/50 but do to more drive train losses to the rear then to the front the split ends up favoring the front. Here is the torque split graph of my car from the Dyno at RRE. This was with stock differentials in the car and not the Quaiffes in my profile. Notice that the front is seeing almost 25% more torque than the rear. And never mind the high numbers, the scale is way off the car only made about 322 lb-ft total at the time.

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[SRiz]

awesome! do you have the viscous lsd rear diff?

yup its to BFH viscous LSD 3.545.. makes power sliding and dirt driving sooo much easier... I actually drove on a LSD rear end but with nonLSD axles and it was good in a straight line but felt like FWD around corners...

 

[Novec64]

Audi 80 AWD quattro drift

 

[JFZERO ECLIPSE]

Bill, I should just come over and smack you for making this thread haha....

Dont make me come over, give you the boot to get your car done and show you how to do donuts once the snow starts to lay ....

 

[Novec64]

Bill, I should just come over and smack you for making this thread haha....

Dont make me come over, give you the boot to get your car done and show you how to do donuts once the snow starts to lay ....

Haha, I figured you would find this. You can't tell me the video in post 2 doesn't look fun. Dude, snow and mud are my shit. I'll take that challenge any day.

 

[JFZERO ECLIPSE]

I noticed it was you a while ago, but decided to keep my foot in my mouth....

But anyhow back on topic....The easy/poor mans way in order to make a dsm do some drifting....Now granted it wont be AWD....

And I am VERY rusty on my transmission parts but I'm sure you'll get the idea...

Take a set of junk axles...and make sure you only have the boots and axle piece going into the tranny so you don't leak fluid...It will NOT be a complete axle...just the ends into tranny....nothing will be going into the spindle...

Since you won't have no front axles the Differential will sense that the front axles have no traction...(No crap right?)
Then the differential will send more power to the rear wheels in order to help the fronts get more traction...

Now do at your own risk... I'm sure you'll fry something in the meantime...

Ninja Edit: Yes, That video look fun as hell, I would love to be playing like that...
Ninja Edit 2: And add me to your Friends list dammit haha

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

I will after you explain to me how DSM's have more power going to the rear than the front.

DSMs are 50/50.

 

[Novec64]

I'm definitely not trying to build a drift DSM in case you thought I was that nuts (maybe the BMW though ). I'm all for autocross and drag, but anything related to car control and becoming a better driver intrigues me. Honestly, I was thinking that Gymkhana competitions seem pretty awesome, even though we don't have any here, and I just wondered how well a DSM would do.

gymkhana

Got that video from this thread on DriftWorks

 

[JFZERO ECLIPSE]

Jimmy, I'm definitely not trying to build a drift DSM in case you thought I was that nuts (maybe the BMW though ). I'm all for autocross and drag, but anything related to car control and becoming a better driver intrigues me.

Nah, I know your not trying to build a drift car
the beemer could be a fun toy though
Theres a lot of stuff that you can get for better control....The question is what form of control would you like to combat first? Theres: Handling, Braking, etc. etc.

To become a better driver, you need to get your damn car done and get it on the road to play

 

[Novec64]

Nah, I know your not trying to build a drift car
the beemer could be a fun toy though
Theres a lot of stuff that you can get for better control....The question is what form of control would you like to combat first? Theres: Handling, Braking, etc. etc.

To become a better driver, you need to get your damn car done and get it on the road to play

It'll be worth the wait. Don't forget I DD a CRX HF. Manual everything and 1800 lbs keeps you pretty in touch with the road .


Found an Evo III video finally.

Evo III drift

More evidence:

Alm Racing Audi S2

Luke Fink

From this thread: Ken Block ain't got shiz!

 

[Lofty]

I can power over just fine, it's about throttle control and possibly my LSD.

My car is on 15psi on a 14b.

 

[Novec64]

drivingfast.net - the ultimate guide to advanced driving techniques

 

[rock1t]

YouTube - CRS Band- House of the Rising Boost

you look uncomfortable in it.

specially at 49 seconds where you spun out. .

I noticed it was you a while ago, but decided to keep my foot in my mouth....

But anyhow back on topic....The easy/poor mans way in order to make a dsm do some drifting....Now granted it wont be AWD....

And I am VERY rusty on my transmission parts but I'm sure you'll get the idea...

Take a set of junk axles...and make sure you only have the boots and axle piece going into the tranny so you don't leak fluid...It will NOT be a complete axle...just the ends into tranny....nothing will be going into the spindle...

Since you won't have no front axles the Differential will sense that the front axles have no traction...(No crap right?)
Then the differential will send more power to the rear wheels in order to help the fronts get more traction...

Now do at your own risk... I'm sure you'll fry something in the meantime...

Ninja Edit: Yes, That video look fun as hell, I would love to be playing like that...
Ninja Edit 2: And add me to your Friends list dammit haha

This won't work. Just saying.

The center diff, splits the power between the front and rear, pulling out the front axles wont put all the power to the back, the back will still get 50 percent of the power. And your car will be a slug.

If you want to learn how to drift a awd, go out when it's wet in a huge parking lot, and practice. Wet parking lots, saves tires. Although, when it is wet, you must realize that you will slide easier and have less control as if it was dry.

 

[tec_41]

Some of you guys need to live where it snows...you'll have a much better understanding of drifting.

 

[AK Maniak]

Some of you guys need to live where it snows...you'll have a much better understanding of drifting.

I've never lived in a place where it didn't snow and driving in the snow is nothing like drifting.

 

[AlaskanDsm]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
agreed!

 

[endeffect0]

I've never lived in a place where it didn't snow and driving in the snow is nothing like drifting.

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Closed private Rd, no hooligan shit. and when that video was taken the car was stock on snow tires with the front swaybar disconnected. (LSD rear)

if you learn how to weight shift, how to trail brake, how to drive w/both feet. AWD sliding is easy.
get the the rear light either by letting off abruptly on turn in or trial breaking, giving it a little side to side flick can help unsettle the rear... as the back end starts to rotate let the front end start to plow/understeer (4 wheel drift). then get back on the power and use a combination of right foot and wheel angle to adjust where you are on the pavement.

The ingredients are the same no matter the surface. Snow, dirt, gravel, asphalt; all the same ingredients just different quantities. the problem with learning it on pavement is the speed required to overcome grip. so learn it in the snow or dirt.

a few years of autox and rallyx and you start to get the hang of these sort of things.

on that note, anyone who is interested in learning to be a better AWD driver really should look into SCCA Rallyx, its cheap its probably close to you, and there is no better place to learn how to drive an AWD car. Doubly so for 1g guys! (and you Probably wont kill yourself in the process.)

 

[SRiz]

he he... spun out... that would mean im out of control... I think im gonna pick up a EVO LSD... apparently this will put me at 60/40 power... expect a lot more videos if so

 

[123abc]

I've never lived in a place where it didn't snow and driving in the snow is nothing like drifting.

You obviously don't know much about car control then.....



Most DSMer's drive like they should've bought a Honda...

 

[Lofty]

Uhm....

Yeah...

Driving in snow teaches you how to control your car, and push it to the limits, you can only drift something after you reached the limits of the car, because then you know what's "too far".
My AWD gets full use, and I'm proud to say I can get the ass end sideways.

Maybe I need to have a driving seminar.


HOW TO FULLY USE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR AWD SYSTEM

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My e-break cables are broken by the way.

You don't need this to drift a DSM.

But I'm sure it helps

 

[rock1t]

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Closed private Rd, no hooligan shit. and when that video was taken the car was stock on snow tires with the front swaybar disconnected. (LSD rear)

if you learn how to weight shift, how to trail brake, how to drive w/both feet. AWD sliding is easy.
get the the rear light either by letting off abruptly on turn in or trial breaking, giving it a little side to side flick can help unsettle the rear... as the back end starts to rotate let the front end start to plow/understeer (4 wheel drift). then get back on the power and use a combination of right foot and wheel angle to adjust where you are on the pavement.

The ingredients are the same no matter the surface. Snow, dirt, gravel, asphalt; all the same ingredients just different quantities. the problem with learning it on pavement is the speed required to overcome grip. so learn it in the snow or dirt.

a few years of autox and rallyx and you start to get the hang of these sort of things.

on that note, anyone who is interested in learning to be a better AWD driver really should look into SCCA Rallyx, its cheap its probably close to you, and there is no better place to learn how to drive an AWD car. Doubly so for 1g guys! (and you Probably wont kill yourself in the process.)

I am actually confused by the removal of your front sway bar. Do you know the function of your sway bars? The sway bars keeps the tires mounted to the surface, whether it be ashphalt, dirt, or snow.

Have you ever driven a car without the front sway bar? It's horrible in the corners.

 

[Lofty]

I am actually confused by the removal of your front sway bar. Do you know the function of your sway bars? The sway bars keeps the tires mounted to the surface, whether it be ashphalt, dirt, or snow.

Have you ever driven a car without the front sway bar? It's horrible in the corners.

Really?

Holy shit I figured dsmers would understand this better.

Have you ever felt the WEIGHT transfer without a front sway bar?

 

[endeffect0]

I am actually confused by the removal of your front sway bar. Do you know the function of your sway bars? The sway bars keeps the tires mounted to the surface, whether it be ashphalt, dirt, or snow.

Have you ever driven a car without the front sway bar? It's horrible in the corners.

Really?

Holy shit I figured dsmers would understand this better.

Have you ever felt the WEIGHT transfer without a front sway bar?

clearly yes, I have driven a car without a front swaybar. In fact I have spent a great deal of time tuning all sorts of suspensions.

here check this out. Anti-sway_bars.shtml
just so we are clear on function.

in a way you are correct though, it does feel like crap in the dry. the reason i take off my front bar in the winter should be clear after reading the above article. let me know if you have any questions.

lofty, I think your DSM driving school would be a great idea. heck even organizing a good size group to go to a autoX day to get some skid pad time would really help. aslo, a lecture on suspention dynamics, tire sizes, turbo function, and 'what is crank walk', could really help alot of people

 

[Lofty]

clearly yes, I have driven a car without a front swaybar. In fact I have spent a great deal of time tuning all sorts of suspensions.

here check this out. Anti-sway_bars.shtml
just so we are clear on function.

in a way you are correct though, it does feel like crap in the dry. the reason i take off my front bar in the winter should be clear after reading the above article. let me know if you have any questions.

lofty, I think your DSM driving school would be a great idea. heck even organizing a good size group to go to a autoX day to get some skid pad time would really help. aslo, a lecture on suspention dynamics, tire sizes, turbo function, and 'what is crank walk', could really help alot of people

Hahaha well come on.
I'm happy someone else understands how to use their AWD system for something other than going straight.



I'm gonna have some fun this winter

 

[rock1t]

Really?

Holy shit I figured dsmers would understand this better.

Have you ever felt the WEIGHT transfer without a front sway bar?

I guess, pulling the front sway bar on my t/a or my former fbodies I have owned for the drag strip is different. Specially after reading the above article.

Coming from experience of driving on dry conditions without the front sway bar, is where i was coming from, because i understand the function of sway bars, i guess i didn't fully comprehend.

When it snows, I will be pulling it.