AWD Drift?!

[Lofty]

 

[King_Milo]

Loving the videos

 

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I guess, pulling the front sway bar on my t/a or my former fbodies I have owned for the drag strip is different. Specially after reading the above article.

Coming from experience of driving on dry conditions without the front sway bar, is where i was coming from, because i understand the function of sway bars, i guess i didn't fully comprehend.

When it snows, I will be pulling it.

get your self a good set of snow tires. first snow leave the swaybar on. then just remove the end links. it will rattle around a bit but thats fine for your deciding if you want to leave it that way all winter.

honestly; aside from the difference caused between suspension types, (like torsion bars for example) pulling the front bar on a TA will have the same general affect as in the DSM. in the snow, traction is so low that the tires do not grip enough to give you huge body roll. in the dry you notice the body roll more than the grip. if you like the way your dsm handles in the snow you would want to add a stiffer rear bar in the summer. that way the tail happy balance is maintained and the body roll is under control.

Savvy?

 

[rock1t]

get your self a good set of snow tires. first snow leave the swaybar on. then just remove the end links. it will rattle around a bit but thats fine for your deciding if you want to leave it that way all winter.

honestly; aside from the difference caused between suspension types, (like torsion bars for example) pulling the front bar on a TA will have the same general affect as in the DSM. in the snow, traction is so low that the tires do not grip enough to give you huge body roll. in the dry you notice the body roll more than the grip. if you like the way your dsm handles in the snow you would want to add a stiffer rear bar in the summer. that way the tail happy balance is maintained and the body roll is under control.

Savvy?

Eh, doesn't snow enough here to invest in a set of snow tires.

Also, I have full suspension under my baby, including bigger sway bars. Been wanting some tubular a-arms, just don't want to spend the money on them.

 

[123abc]

Uhm....

Yeah...

Driving in snow teaches you how to control your car, and push it to the limits, you can only drift something after you reached the limits of the car, because then you know what's "too far".
My AWD gets full use, and I'm proud to say I can get the ass end sideways.

Maybe I need to have a driving seminar.


HOW TO FULLY USE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR AWD SYSTEM

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My e-break cables are broken by the way.

You don't need this to drift a DSM.

But I'm sure it helps

Same here....

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Evidence of fireballs and some interaction with guardrails readily apparent.



I think that i am secretly a 1g guy at heart! . I will be saving up for a 1g machine to compete in scca rallyx this spring.

 

[Novec64]

Foust Bends Block Over Knee At Grid, Spanks Him Silly from Jalopnik.com

YouTube - Tanner Foust vs Ken Block at the Ken Block Gymkhana Grid Invitational 2010!

 

[123abc]

....that's cool and all but you can't learn to do it by sitting in front of your pc screen reading articles or watching video's. Get out there in a good parking lot and see what you can learn.....

 

[Novec64]

....that's cool and all but you can't learn to do it by sitting in front of your pc screen reading articles or watching video's. Get out there in a good parking lot and see what you can learn.....

Built block on the engine stand and the car is waiting for paint. Just came across that on Jalopnik and figured I would post it.

 

[jacobevan611]

Uhm....

Yeah...

Driving in snow teaches you how to control your car, and push it to the limits, you can only drift something after you reached the limits of the car, because then you know what's "too far".
My AWD gets full use, and I'm proud to say I can get the ass end sideways.

Maybe I need to have a driving seminar.


HOW TO FULLY USE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR AWD SYSTEM

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My e-break cables are broken by the way.

You don't need this to drift a DSM.

But I'm sure it helps

Get wheels. Please.

 

[123abc]

Get wheels. Please.

, why should he? You have a turbo or awd yet?

 

[AK Maniak]

You obviously don't know much about car control then.....



Most DSMer's drive like they should've bought a Honda...

Drive in nothing but the snow then go to a drift comp and tell me how you do. Don't be a troll, if you think driving in the snow makes you a drifter then you probably should have bought a honda

 

[123abc]

Drive in nothing but the snow then go to a drift comp and tell me how you do. Don't be a troll, if you think driving in the snow makes you a drifter then you probably should have bought a honda

Jumping to conclusions, "troll"? I replied to someone who said driving in snow is nothing like drifting.

I've never lived in a place where it didn't snow and driving in the snow is nothing like drifting

Do you agree with that comment? Driving/drifting in snow at least gives you an idea of what to do if things start going wrong.

 

[Lofty]

, why should he? You have a turbo or awd yet?

I <3 my steelies.

People can hate, but I'm the one doing all this.

YouTube - Dsm Snow Drifting

 

[jacobevan611]

, why should he? You have a turbo or awd yet?

No. Nor do I want awd. A turbo would be nice though.

 

[Novec64]

I love driving in the snow, but I don't think it compares at all to actual drifting. Sometime you're driving around, on dry pavement, going 30mph+ consider the amount of skill it takes to do a Scandinavian flick and hold the car sideways. It doesn't sink in how crazy that is until you actually think about it while you're driving that fast or faster. I still don't think anything else compares to this video, but I would love to see it.

Alm racing promo

 

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Bla bla bla, im calling bullshit, bla bla.. no one knows what they are talking about bla bla Honda bla bla Drifting.

just a reminder to anyone and everyone to keep this civil and the name calling to a minimum.

on snow driving vs tarmac. yes they are different, but like I have said its not the ingredients that change its the quantities.
some people are surprised to find out what they are doing in a snowy parking lot is just powering over. just because its oversteer does not mean you going to get though a turn faster than taking a normal line. most people don't realize the level of commitment it take to properly slide a turn in the snow. when you enter the turn you have to be going really much faster than feels sane, then weight shift (whether you have the room to flick, or trial brake or just lift off abruptly.. ) and power through the turn. it actually leaves you with a very narrow window of entry speeds. slightly too slow is still actually too fast to take a traditional line, so your ####ed. slightly to fast and your going to be trying to scrub speed as you head for the guard rail, good luck.

the speed you take to just go into a turn and then power over to slide though with some oversteer is really much lower.

doing the same on a different surface just requires different speeds and amounts of weight shifting.. all the same techniques, just different quantities. obviously the speed must increase with the grip. in my car i dont have the power to side longer sweeping turns because I dont have the power to overcome grip for much longer than the original weight transfer. so tight turns or hairpins are still a piece of cake and you treat them the same, just weight shift harder.

and before people start friggin name calling heres a quick fyi: I came from years of RWD, grew up with tony, chris and the gang and helped get the bullshit little PA scene organized. its probably a safe bet that i have wasted more tires on that crap than most. there is a reason i went into SCCA and NASA, and its the same reason I am now in the best Fun-for-the-Money awd car that can be found. And thats the last its gonna be mentioned in this thread. K?

 

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imagine sliding a car with enough grip to just fall over! the look on schumacher's face is priceless. & she was a class act about it.

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[cookmeup272]

its cause he hit the skirt

 

[TSI Fanatic]

To drift at any drift event the car MUST be rwd you can use an awd car but you must convert it to rwd to be eligable to compete ive been to many events in Canada and have a full list of the rules

 

[AK Maniak]

To drift at any drift event the car MUST be rwd you can use an awd car but you must convert it to rwd to be eligable to compete ive been to many events in Canada and have a full list of the rules

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[123abc]

To drift at any drift event the car MUST be rwd you can use an awd car but you must convert it to rwd to be eligable to compete ive been to many events in Canada and have a full list of the rules

You are correct about that. I think they introduced that rule because awd cars can reach much more extreme angles then rwd cars can, making it un-fair.

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How so? This is a thread about drifting an awd car in general, not drifting on a competition level...

 

[Lofty]

To drift at any drift event the car MUST be rwd you can use an awd car but you must convert it to rwd to be eligable to compete ive been to many events in Canada and have a full list of the rules

What rules are they following? Got a name for them?
Last I checked there were no set rules for drifting that HAD to be followed.

It's usually set up by private groups/clubs.


Not /end thread.

 

[TSI Fanatic]

Its a series called DMCC (Drift Mania Canadian Championship) its the equivilant to Formula Drift down in the states. Driftmania Canadian Championship. As of 09 the rules were every vehicle either had to be a factory rwd or awd car converted to rwd and produced at least 2500 units total. 2010 rulebook isnt out yet so they may have changed for next season.

woops i mean for 2010 those were the rules 2011 rulebook isnt out yet

 

[dansan1988]

I want to convert mine