AWD Drift?!

[jtmcinder]

Even 65% rear is enough to start snapping rear axles, assuming some power (such as what you'd get from a T28). Ask people who have the Cusco tarmac center.

 

[KHRacing]

Even 65% rear is enough to start snapping rear axles, assuming some power (such as what you'd get from a T28). Ask people who have the Cusco tarmac center.

Well, i have run 550-600bhp för 3 years, and after these 3 years the rear diff broke. It alla comes down to the bushings & suspention setup. Irun superhard Delrin bushings all around + driftspec´d Coilovers from XYZ.
Mycar spins the rears instead of them bouncing alot.

 

[andy4g63]

I am pretty sure you guys seen this, but there goes again:
Garaget | Mitsubishi Eclipse 4wd making serious donuts!

This the most drifting I've seen from 1G, period.

 

[jtmcinder]

I was referring to 2G DSM rear axles.

 

[ENICKB]

Its all about the suspension my friends... All about the suspension.... And the ability to turn your wheels to their extreme limitations with modification so you can rebound the drifts.

 

[AndrewD5418]

AWD it's called power sliding.

 

[Novec64]

AWD it's called power sliding.

So do you consider this power sliding?

Alm Racing Promo 2010 - YouTube

 

[Chill Kill Kult]

I though its called gymkhana not drift for the AWD.

I thought it was called "time to get new tires" for the AWD

 

[Scott McIntyre]

Even 65% rear is enough to start snapping rear axles, assuming some power (such as what you'd get from a T28). Ask people who have the Cusco tarmac center.

I've been running a Cusco Tarmac Gear 35:65 center differential with a FP Big28 turbo since 2008 and have never had any problems snapping rear axles. This is with big 275 width r-compounds in autox & time attack as well. I've never heard of said issue.

 

[jtmcinder]

Charles Moss snapped an axle or two after getting his. Did you keep your center VC? He didn't.

 

[ACM]

My axle-snapping escapades were not caused by the Cusco, they were caused by idiocy on my part. I'd love to blame something/one else, but alas...

Number one happened because I couldn't tell the difference between a non-LSD axle and the 'short-nose' LSD axle. I continue to claim it was due to the gear oil dripping in my eyes, but...Anyway, the short-nose LSD axle has only half the spline engagement when stuffed up a Mech/non-LSD diff, so after a few ProSolo events it ripped the splines off. That was a very expensive lesson in observational skills - I had to rent a Penske truck and trailer to get home from ... Oscoda ? Sam Krauss very kindly ferried me to the nearest truck rental and I was able to make it home. And that debacle ended with me pulling into the driveway and noticing that I had an empty trailer, no race car anywhere to be seen...

Number two (and three) was caused by not listening to Marty @ Raxles. Raxles doesn't offer ABS rear axles as they can't get the outer joints. When pressed Marty admitted he could machine them to take the ABS ring, but he quickly followed that up by stating it would seriously compromise the strength. Marty was correct (of course) and Left and Right axles backed him up in short order. That was a VERY expensive lesson about listening. I had to fly a friend out to Topeka lugging a bag of axle parts, and we spent Monday building axles on the concrete...

 

[Scott McIntyre]

And that debacle ended with me pulling into the driveway and noticing that I had an empty trailer, no race car anywhere to be seen...

WTF

 

[jtmcinder]

Wow. Never heard that story. That truly stinks. Sorry.

 

[ACM]

WTF

Ah yes...

The Penske truck I was driving was one of those U-Haul style box vans pulling an open car trailer - I couldn't even see the trailer wheels in the mirrors, never mind the trailer contents. I stopped in upstate New York for the last fuel stop, tightened the tie-down straps and headed for Massachusetts. I pulled into my driveway, walked towards the hose and passed an empty trailer on my way. It took several yards for it to sink in, at which point I just started laughing...

Running back through the trip mentally, I couldn't remember seeing the car at any time. As I was coming to terms with the idea of retracing my steps to the last gas stop, a big hairy gorilla of a man came running up the hill and proceeded to yell at me that if I was trying to kill him I needed to do a better job ! The race car had jumped off the trailer as I turned up the bottom of my road, the steering went to full left lock and the car did a 180* into the side of a (real) truck parked off the side of the road ! Apparently the guy got out of the way just in time...

Minor damage to the car - rear light, rear panel, rear spoiler - and missed the truck's multi-thousand dollar electro-hydraulic control box by an inch or so, instead clouting the I-beam main frame rail (which barely even got its paint scratched).

I've never been able to decide whether all that qualified as good luck or bad ?

 

[mattmullin]

heres some of the progress, I'm pretty much done under the hood, just have to finish wiring the lights to the column switch and some more body work, Then a trip to the dyno! Also i shortened the car up bumper to bumper by about a foot! Thats an aftermarket 02 wrx fiberglass front bumper if anyone was wondering. then car is still really dirty, but ill be cleaning it up after it moves under its own power..

 

[phizzalot]

Very Nice Work, Can't wait to hear how your modification's perform's..

 

[Novec64]

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[dsmfa9nutter]

I do awd drifts every winter in my 4x4, it's like ice skating. To do it on dry pavement just takes a lot more power.

 

[stockfornow]

I do awd drifts every winter in my 4x4, it's like ice skating. To do it on dry pavement just takes a lot more power.

True that^^^ I actually did a whole ice racing season in my audi, and actually took 1st. It's definatelly a different technique to drift an AWD, countersteer when 1st getting it sideways, then mid corner when drifting you have to steer into the corner to keep the rear kicked out, and then toward the exit countersteer again vs. like a RWD it's countersteer all the time... But on asphalt same technique, just need more power, and speeds going into the corner are way faster than in a RWD, I don't have room at the next event to try and slide in AWD, so RWD mode it is, again.
And since my 240sx drift is still not done, I'm going to pull the front axels out of my DSM and try drifting it again on the April 29th local event I will post pictures on here after the event, I just have to put a clutch in it, and modify the power steering pump, so that way I still have the power assist past 5.5K rpms... It's kind of hard to transion when PS cuts out

 

[KHRacing]

Swedish Audi 80... 960bhp
4wd.

Audi 80 General Lee Drifting - YouTube

 

[Novec64]

That video is awesome! Why is it always Audis that get to have all the fun?! Are their drivetrains that much better?!

 

[crazyquik22023]

Audi's have great suspension setups and their quattro awd system is definitely one of the best awd systems traction wise. But audi needs to learn how to make an engine that has decent power. Audi engines for the most part are jokes.

 

[jtmcinder]

While it's true that the Audi 450cc-per-cylinder engines don't make anything close to the power of the Mitsu 500cc-per-cylinder engines, they are wonderfully reliable. As to the Quattro system ... while it was the best early on, both Scooby and Mitsu have long since surpassed it. Audi distracted itself making silly things like push-button ride-height control and has fallen way behind on AWD. They now are using Haldex-based systems like VW's 4Motion, Mercedes' 4Matic, and BMW's X-drive. Good for not getting stuck, but not what I'd call a performance AWD system.

 

[crazyquik22023]

While it's true that the Audi 450cc-per-cylinder engines don't make anything close to the power of the Mitsu 500cc-per-cylinder engines, they are wonderfully reliable. As to the Quattro system ... while it was the best early on, both Scooby and Mitsu have long since surpassed it. Audi distracted itself making silly things like push-button ride-height control and has fallen way behind on AWD. They now are using Haldex-based systems like VW's 4Motion, Mercedes' 4Matic, and BMW's X-drive. Good for not getting stuck, but not what I'd call a performance AWD system.

I definitely agree with you. I was saying that Audi's AWD system is great for "everyday" driving demands and is good for driving in snow and giving the car traction. For performance, mitsubishi surpasses audi in almost every single way. Audi quattro systems lack performance standards and Audi engines are very hard to make any kind of decent power with, stock or modified. The only Audi engines that make decent power are the big v10,v12 ones they make for the lamborghini's, and the r8. Most audi engines are very reliable. They take a lot of maintenance but they will last "forever". I currently have a 98 a4 1.8t with 170k miles and it runs great.

 

[jtmcinder]

If you're really into rallying, there's also some politics involved. The WRC was looking to slow the cars down, or, at least, reduce power without making the restrictors smaller. The obvious solution was to reduce the engine size, especially with the new, smaller, lighter, three-door bodies. One option was to drop back to 1.8 from 2.0. Problem here is that the only maker with a good 1.8 ready to go was Audi/VW/Skoda. In contrast, Peugeot and Ford both had 1.6s ready. So, they decided that the new limit would be 1.6. That a majority of the board that voted on this were French and/or had other reasons to dislike Germans was purely coincidence.

/conspiracy-mode

ps. I would hasten to point out that the Evo X is completely pwning P-WRC this year; note, however, that Mitsu is done in open-class WRC