jcob2
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- May 30, 2004
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Chicago,
Illinois
The car is a 1993 Eagle Talon FWD/non-turbo with 120,000 on the ticker.
A few weeks ago I was cruising at low speeds at I heard a clunk, then the rpms shot up to the redline and the car wouldn't accelerate. I pulled over, and found I had no reverse, and my 1-2 upshift at part throttle was around 5500 rpms and very hard. No 3rd gear or torque coverter lockup on highway either. I assumed due to the cars age, that the tranny was a goner, and it was time for a rebuild. Since the shape of the car is pretty crappy and it's not worth a $1k rebuild, I decided to get a "working" used trans from ebay.
Click here for link to ebay auction
I got a great deal on a trans pulled from a 1992 Eagle Talon. I was informed that this trans is compatible with my 1993 Talon. Both cars were same body style and 2.0L FWD non-turbo.
Upon arrival, the first thing I noted was the two trans were slightly different. The 93 had two sensors (i assume input/output speed sensors, but not sure), with 1 in the casing on the back left corner, and one on the very rear of the trans. The 92 also had these two sensors, but one of the sensors was in a different location. Instead of having a sensor on the very rear cover, it was on the top center of the trans. Secondly, all of the other sensors on the 92 had wires coming out of the case (which had been snipped), whereas my 93 had electrical connector clips.
To prep the trans for my 93 and make it compatible with my wiring harness, I swapped over most of the electrical connectors, soldering the loose wires on the 92 trans onto the wiring clips. I see no reason why this would cause any problems, just make wiring easier once the trans was in the car. The one thing I could not change, was converting the location of the (input/output) speed sensor from the top of the trans to the rear. I decided to leave the sensor in the 92 style location and drop the trans in.
Note: The 92 trans did not come with a torque converter, I had to use my 93 coverter.
Today I finished the install. The trans does not drive right. I am trying to determine if:
A) This trans is also trashed. No wonder I got such a "great deal" on ebay.
B) This trans is incompatible electronically, and I need my computer reflashed to 92 specs or similar
C) I did something wrong with the install.
The symptoms are:
Opon startup, the first time I accelerate from a dead stop, the 1-2 shift is HARD and I mean HARD! Even at part throttle, the whole car shakes and the tires chirp. Then the car sticks in 2nd gear. Even if I come to a dead stop, I pull off the line in 2nd gear. If I floor the gas pedal, it will not downshift, it just bogs in 2nd gear. If I go on the highway, it will not shift to 3rd. I just stays in 2nd the entire time. If I stop the car, turn off the ignition, and restart, it will start in 1st again, until the HARD shift, and then it's stuck in 2nd again. Reverse is fine.
I need some knowledge from ya'll! DSMs are not my specialty. Are the 92 trannys very different from the 93s? Are they interchangable? Do I need to get my computer reflashed? Or does it sound like I just have a bad trans? Wiring problem? I know fluid level is fine, but I filled it with DextronIII which after reading on this forum a bit I see may be the wrong fluid, but would it really cause such extreme problems?
I am just about ready to try and rebuild my 93 trans on my own. The rebuild kit is only $145 with steels, but I have no idea where to find a detailed rebuild manual that is specific for the F4A22. Anyone know where I can find one?
Thanks for the advice in advance.
A few weeks ago I was cruising at low speeds at I heard a clunk, then the rpms shot up to the redline and the car wouldn't accelerate. I pulled over, and found I had no reverse, and my 1-2 upshift at part throttle was around 5500 rpms and very hard. No 3rd gear or torque coverter lockup on highway either. I assumed due to the cars age, that the tranny was a goner, and it was time for a rebuild. Since the shape of the car is pretty crappy and it's not worth a $1k rebuild, I decided to get a "working" used trans from ebay.
Click here for link to ebay auction
I got a great deal on a trans pulled from a 1992 Eagle Talon. I was informed that this trans is compatible with my 1993 Talon. Both cars were same body style and 2.0L FWD non-turbo.
Upon arrival, the first thing I noted was the two trans were slightly different. The 93 had two sensors (i assume input/output speed sensors, but not sure), with 1 in the casing on the back left corner, and one on the very rear of the trans. The 92 also had these two sensors, but one of the sensors was in a different location. Instead of having a sensor on the very rear cover, it was on the top center of the trans. Secondly, all of the other sensors on the 92 had wires coming out of the case (which had been snipped), whereas my 93 had electrical connector clips.
To prep the trans for my 93 and make it compatible with my wiring harness, I swapped over most of the electrical connectors, soldering the loose wires on the 92 trans onto the wiring clips. I see no reason why this would cause any problems, just make wiring easier once the trans was in the car. The one thing I could not change, was converting the location of the (input/output) speed sensor from the top of the trans to the rear. I decided to leave the sensor in the 92 style location and drop the trans in.
Note: The 92 trans did not come with a torque converter, I had to use my 93 coverter.
Today I finished the install. The trans does not drive right. I am trying to determine if:
A) This trans is also trashed. No wonder I got such a "great deal" on ebay.
B) This trans is incompatible electronically, and I need my computer reflashed to 92 specs or similar
C) I did something wrong with the install.
The symptoms are:
Opon startup, the first time I accelerate from a dead stop, the 1-2 shift is HARD and I mean HARD! Even at part throttle, the whole car shakes and the tires chirp. Then the car sticks in 2nd gear. Even if I come to a dead stop, I pull off the line in 2nd gear. If I floor the gas pedal, it will not downshift, it just bogs in 2nd gear. If I go on the highway, it will not shift to 3rd. I just stays in 2nd the entire time. If I stop the car, turn off the ignition, and restart, it will start in 1st again, until the HARD shift, and then it's stuck in 2nd again. Reverse is fine.
I need some knowledge from ya'll! DSMs are not my specialty. Are the 92 trannys very different from the 93s? Are they interchangable? Do I need to get my computer reflashed? Or does it sound like I just have a bad trans? Wiring problem? I know fluid level is fine, but I filled it with DextronIII which after reading on this forum a bit I see may be the wrong fluid, but would it really cause such extreme problems?
I am just about ready to try and rebuild my 93 trans on my own. The rebuild kit is only $145 with steels, but I have no idea where to find a detailed rebuild manual that is specific for the F4A22. Anyone know where I can find one?
Thanks for the advice in advance.
Can you tell me where to find a rebuild manual specific to my transmission? (not some generic manual for Eagle/Mitsu 90-98, etc)
