at what power level does fwd become a prob?

[ryu]

well when does it become a problem? at what power and mod level? lets say w/good tires or rd's. i know you can always launch harder w/awd but its not like its that hard to launch a 200hp fwd.

 

[Shadowfax]

I've owned many AWD- and whereas they are fun- few people really run from a stop anymore And even then, they eat clutches at higher power. Granted my experience is from 3000GT VR4 and Stealth TT's- a bit heavier cars- but still, AWD eats a clutch. What good is it when you've got all the traction, but everyone wants to go from 40 up?

I had more LS1, LT1, 4.6, 5.0's vettes, Cobra's, you name it, I tried to get 'em to go from a stop, and it was not happening

Now I've got a FWD Laser Turbo- sure I have traction issues even as stock as I am... but not so bad over 40 that I can't make it work...

When does FWD become a problem? When you need more traction than you have. When does AWD become a problem? When you need more money than you have (to fix CV's, Driveshafts, carrier bearings, transfer cases, clutches...)

 

[psychlow]

When does FWD become a problem? When you need more traction than you have. When does AWD become a problem? When you need more money than you have (to fix CV's, Driveshafts, carrier bearings, transfer cases, clutches...)

Just a comment on this:

I've put way more into tires in two years on my Mustang than I have thus far in clutches on my AWD Talon. I'm still on the stock clutch, and I'm not easy on it.

CV axles will break on FWD just like on AWD - and if you're wheelhopping, even more so. Wheelhopping is like taking all of the torque from your engine and applying it like an impact wrench to your drivetrain.

 

[myblack98gst]

I guess I need to add to the above statement of mine. I have had. open diff, BM tranny insert, Welded Differential, open differential. and honestly I spun the same with all of them. even with the welded differential it broke loose in second gear

 

[Pearl90TSI]

Thats why you buy a good clutch for your AWD. The shitty autozone clutch in my TSI held up to many of launchs and I only replaced it because I started making too much power for it and it would slip in 2nd when I hit 18 PSI.

Also everyone wanted to race you from a roll because they knew you would beat them from a launch. Around here your considered a ricer if you want to race from a punch because from a stop shows the skill of the driver not the power of the car.

 

[out there]

i'm making just about the max power that the 14b can without a fmic, and i still have the stock clutch... doesn't feel like it's slipping yet

 

[rjdavis21]

is it just me or is anyone else spin both tires with an open diff? i have the stock diff in my car and when i burnout both spin...

 

[girlieracr4g63]

There is no magic solution to keep a fwd from spinning. Its just a different way of driving. Cant just get in it and go, and expect miricles. Learn your car...Point blank!!!

I have to admit its fun as hell spinning through a gear with an 8k rev. limiter until you get traction. I have both awd and fwd. I have to say I love my fwd the most!


Wendy

 

[psychlow]

There is no magic solution to keep a fwd form spinning.

This is somewhat true, but there are steps you can take. A stiff supension, good tires, urethane suspension bushings, urethane motor mounts and an LSD can definitely help out.

I have to say I love my fwd the most!

That's not what you said when you replaced the fuel pump! :laugh:

 

[mavisky]

This is somewhat true, but there are steps you can take. A stiff supension, good tires, urethane suspension bushings, urethane motor mounts and an LSD can definitely help out.

yea i've got it all short of the urethane bushings and lsd, well i have a phantom grip i could put in it, just not sure i want to just yet. probably will since i don't have any idea when i'll be able to get a real lsd in the near future.

 

[ryanman]

is it just me or is anyone else spin both tires with an open diff? i have the stock diff in my car and when i burnout both spin...

When I had unequal length axles I would spin one all the time, now that I put in equal length axles it ALWAYS spins both.

 

[girlieracr4g63]

This is somewhat true, but there are steps you can take. A stiff supension, good tires, urethane suspension bushings, urethane motor mounts and an LSD can definitely help out.


That's not what you said when you replaced the fuel pump! :laugh:

Bwahaha now that I have to agree with.. :laugh:

 

[rjdavis21]

maybe the owner before me put equal axles in?....

 

[totalburnout]

shut-up

no one said anything about driving WOT all the time but when that time comes is what is being asked...and your basicly stock so...

The kid has a point.


AWD > FWD

****BUT**** if you can drive and know how to feather the clutch and gas, rather than just dumping each pedal you won't break free like most of these guys say that they do. As someone said, there's FWD cars running in the 7's. Traction is an issue but its less now with all the technological advancements.

Learn to drive if you keep breaking free, you're obviously launching too hard and then dumping the gas too hard. Any idiot can make his tires spin if he romps it.

With that said, I hate FWD just because the AWD sticks so much easier and handles so much better in stock form.

 

[rjdavis21]

but technicly having to feather the clutch and gas is where FWD becomes a prolem am I right?

 

[girlieracr4g63]

So many fwd haters ......Look a fwd is going to spin reguardless. Now, how much it spins is the question. There is no way in hell you are going to launch a fwd and NOT spin. (Im not talking granny take offs from a stoplight. ) The key is to try and make it spin as least as possible, by getting all the proper traction assistance adders as posible. Like stated before ie. mounts, tires, lsd etc. and learn the car! Hell watch an Aniel Pagan video, and tell me while he is running those 10 sec. passes he isnt spinning his ass off... FWD is just a challange some arent willing to work with thats all. Doesnt mean its a bad choice or it cant be fast. Its just going to take more..


Wendy

 

[boostedinaz]

So many fwd haters ......Look a fwd is going to spin reguardless. Now, how much it spins is the question. There is no way in hell you are going to launch a fwd and NOT spin. (Im not talking granny take offs from a stoplight. ) The key is to try and make it spin as least as possible, by getting all the proper traction assistance adders as posible. Like stated before ie. mounts, tires, lsd etc. and learn the car! Hell watch an Aniel Pagan video, and tell me while he is running those 10 sec. passes he isnt spinning his ass off... FWD is just a challange some arent willing to work with thats all. Doesnt mean its a bad choice or it cant be fast. Its just going to take more..


Wendy

A very good post.

I do see alot of people making FWD out to be the anti-christ. I just coems down to personal opinion and preferance. I liek to dragrace alot so I bought an AWD car to make it easier on my wallet. I still havent sold my FWD car because I just have to much fun in it. I like them both and I use the strenght of one to make up for its weakness. Also, like many others have said, it has to do with drivers. In my FWD car I have killed WRX and AWD DSM's across an intersection. They couldnt drive and I took advantage.

 

[mavisky]

At a well prepped track earlier this year I was having no traction issues whatsoever, and on the street I rarely spin them severely. My point was that if given wot, my car can and will spin the tires in the first 2 and occasionally 3rd gear. This is the problem, even though I can pedal it out to the point where it doesn't spin, the awd next to me is wot making full use of his power instead of modulating it.

I love my fwd personally, it seems to respond better in handling partly due to its lighter weight and with it trapping 104 on pump gas on a 14b it obviously has some decent top end to it once it gets traction, again probably due to the lighter overall weight of the fwd setup.

 

[Denji]

My car's stock clutch took an occasional all wheel drive launch (one or two a month) up to 120,000 miles. I had a stage 1 put it now, its supposed to be a longer lasting stronger clutch than stock so i expecting it to now outlast my motor.

 

[out there]

i realize it's off topic... but it's bothering me
stage 1 doesn't tell us anything.... what brand? centerforce? act? clutchmasters? exedy?

 

[Syndicate13]

At a well prepped track earlier this year I was having no traction issues whatsoever, and on the street I rarely spin them severely. My point was that if given wot, my car can and will spin the tires in the first 2 and occasionally 3rd gear. This is the problem, even though I can pedal it out to the point where it doesn't spin, the awd next to me is wot making full use of his power instead of modulating it.

I love my fwd personally, it seems to respond better in handling partly due to its lighter weight and with it trapping 104 on pump gas on a 14b it obviously has some decent top end to it once it gets traction, again probably due to the lighter overall weight of the fwd setup.

And while you are running 14.0@104 I'm doing 12.9@105. That for me is a problem. I loathe FWD cars and personally will never own one. But in the end it all comes down to what makes you happy, not what some asshole (read: me) says on the internet.