at what power level does fwd become a prob?

[ryu]

well when does it become a problem? at what power and mod level? lets say w/good tires or rd's. i know you can always launch harder w/awd but its not like its that hard to launch a 200hp fwd.

 

[boostedinaz]

This is way to hard to answer.

It depends on your tastes and what YOU think is a problem, what your goals are, and what your setup is.

FWD cars have gone 7's so I guess way past most people goals.

 

[Dallas J]

The main advantage for an AWD is on the streets, or running at the track on street tires. If you plan on making a 1/4 monster, throwing on a good set of slicks will even up the advantages real quick. Ive seen lots of FWDs in the 13s pulling 1.7 60s on slicks.

If you just want a street bad ass, then AWD is definately a better bet. My old FWD laser had traction problems in 1st and 2nd with just a 16g, intake, fuel pump rewire, and MBC. Everything else was stock.

-Dallas J

 

[1LE]

I thought FWD NT was horrible. Kept spinning a wheel, perhaps with an LSD it'd been OK. It's all user preference.

 

[rdeterman]

i think even with stock power the fwd is at a disadvantage on the street let alone with more power... to even it up your gonna need better tires, adjustable suspension, motor mounts, and be a decient driver... the two driving styles are completely different

 

[Defiant]

Anything over 45 horsepower, or any vehicle over 1300 pounds.

I apologize. I just loathe FWD, and think anything much over the original Mini is more than you can ask one pair of tires to deal with.

Huge advancements have been made, but it's still just wrong.

Please ignore this post and carry on.

 

[VR4TwinTurbo]

Like everyone said FWD isn't really a problem if you do your car up right and learn how to drive it like mario andretti. However chances are you aren't mario andretti and you don't have money to sink into your car just so you can be as quick as a AWD. You would probably rather sink it into the motor. So here is what you do. Drive a AWD car and discover the beauty. (if you really want to feel the different try a wrx or a 3000gt v4) Plain and simple they are so much more enjoyable to drive and are very forgiven. You can toss an AWD around all day and it glues itself to the road. Now that I own two AWD cars I won't ever want to go back.

Jason

 

[psychlow]

At what power level does FWD become a problem?

Stock turbo power level. MHO.

 

[sjgYFZ200]

oh yeah, stock, i loose it in first, second, and i chirp in third

 

[midnght]

The answer is based on setup.

Problems are there from the get-go. You just have to find a way to overcome.

 

[ryanman]

I'm still on my 14B and I spin all the way into 4th gear, at only 12psi. Too many variables to answer your question.

 

[99gst_racer]

I'm still on my 14B and I spin all the way into 4th gear, at only 12psi. Too many variables to answer your question.

I dont know about you, but when I'm getting on my car, I going about 90 mph or so when I hit 4th. If you can break your tires loose at 90 mph, hitting 4th gear, with 300HP, then you need some new street radials. Before I had my Quaife, I only had problems with 1st and 2nd......

 

[PaleDSM]

I don't know how people can complain of such traction problems at stock or near stock power levels. I used to own a turbo fwd car and the only traction problems I had at or near stock levels was when the ground was wet. Other than that I didn't spin anything more than first. By the time I got rid of the car it ran a best of 108 on pump gas and street tires and it still would only spin into second.

That said, I hated any wheel spin and sold the car when it was in the 300whp area.

 

[rjdavis21]

I have dynoed at right under 300 hp and 1st gear under full acceleration will hold no ground, 2nd will when its warm out but if its really cold out or rainy 3rd loses all hope too :thumbdown but its ok

 

[Laser93Nash]

Ok. I drive a GS-T. And you guys are complaining about no traction with your FWDs. You know. . There is more to driving than going WOT all the time! I am 16 and I can keep traction in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd when I'm getting on it. Just learn how to "fondle" the gas pedal to keep the tires from spinning. Obviously laying into it will make the wheels spin. .

My mods are
K&N
No cat
Magnaflow muffler
BCS restrictor removed
Hole the size of a baseball in my downpipe
Hitting 13 PSI at full boost

I can keep traction just fine. .

-Andrew

 

[ryanman]

I know how to control the throttle, nothing like burning tires in 4th gear on the highway though. FYI = Yokohama A520's suck ass. Even with my drag radials at the track I spin a littl into 2nd and a little into 3rd at full throttle.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

well you see.. i can keep traction too.. if i'm gonig 25% throttle through all of my gears. When you start making over 250+whp with a CFDF clutch [ or some other hard grabbing clutch ] it takes a little more concentration to keep traction. and dont think i can't, because I've finally gotten used to feathering the gas to keep traction, it just sucks.

p.s., if you're keeping traction all the time, how do you know if your car is accel. to it's max potential? at what point do you know that the compensation of throttle/traction/power is at full? cause you can't. and that's the tradeoff between trying to keep traction, and trying to be fast.

 

[rjdavis21]

Ok. I drive a GS-T. And you guys are complaining about no traction with your FWDs. You know. . There is more to driving than going WOT all the time! I am 16 and I can keep traction in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd when I'm getting on it. Just learn how to "fondle" the gas pedal to keep the tires from spinning. Obviously laying into it will make the wheels spin. .

My mods are
K&N
No cat
Magnaflow muffler
BCS restrictor removed
Hole the size of a baseball in my downpipe
Hitting 13 PSI at full boost

I can keep traction just fine. .

-Andrew

shut-up

no one said anything about driving WOT all the time but when that time comes is what is being asked...and your basicly stock so...

 

[blcknspo0ln]

shut-up

no one said anything about driving WOT all the time but when that time comes is what is being asked...and you basicly stock so...

:laugh: basically what i was thinking, but im too nice to say it :laugh:

 

[Lee'sGSX]

Traction is going to be a problem with fwd no matter what. Hell even in a high hp fwd car with slicks it'll still spin them, but it's all about driving skills. Just learn how to give it the right amount of throttle not to roast the tires and go from there. Practice, practic. it's the same with high hp awd's you have to give it just enough throttle not to roast the tires, in 1st ,2nd,...... 3rd

 

[out there]

my friend with a b18a power integra that weighed about 2200 (w/driver) and had only about 140whp had traction issues with first and second when cold or wet. granted, he had a heavy clutchmasters clutch (stg 3 i think), but he also had some good pirelli tires

 

[Laser93Nash]

rjdavis21, I know I'm basically stock. Hell $5.15 an hour is gonna take me a while to get any REAL mods on my car. When I go WOT from a stop I loose traction obviously. And with the shatty tires on my car I've lost traction hitting 3rd from 5th on the highway(when it was damp out ) Also my car hasn't been running well since I got it. So I guess psychlow anwsered his question. .

-Andrew

 

[myblack98gst]

mine, built motor. 14b (up until today ) at anything above 15 psi it spun in first when boost hit and spun in second when boost hit. I could force it to have a 1-2 second spin into third, but it isn;t a all the time thing.

I have pretty much gotten used to how to drive the car. shift out of first at 4,000 rpms, shift out if second at 5,000 rpms and roll on.. very little wheel spin, I could launch good enough to stay beside a mustang through 1st & 2nd, then roll on past in third.

I just got done mounting the Full T4 on the car so it will be a whole new eperienc learning to drive it, although I have heard the bigger turbos are more controlable because the power doesn't hit all at once like the little 14b does.

 

[mavisky]

20psi, open diff, 14b = spinning one falken azenis in the dry in 2nd, 3rd if its cold or raining. not a whole lot of fun at times, i'm hoping a lsd will help the situation eventually.

 

[99gst_racer]

20psi, open diff, 14b = spinning one falken azenis in the dry in 2nd, 3rd if its cold or raining. not a whole lot of fun at times, i'm hoping a lsd will help the situation eventually.

LSD = spinning two falken azenis, but only through half of first gear.

An LSD is the quickest and easiest way to attain traction in your FWD. (and it makes cornering feel peachy also)