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another WONT IDLE thread!!`

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SlickTalon

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i couldn't find a thread with the same issue. some didn't start and idle at all, and some did when warm or cold or whatever else.

heres the story(I'm trying to give as much background info as i can to diagnose it better):
i get the car. runs good but had a coolant leak and check engine light. i find out the codes(two for both O2's and one for the manifold diff pressure sensor,P1400). and the coolant leak was right out of the water pump weep hole i found.

so i did the O2 sensors, head gasket and ARP studs, water pump, timing belt, plugs, wires, and all the gaskets along with it. everything was stock and i put it all back together stock, except for a K+N cone filter kit. ran great for several hundred miles.

then i get the 3 pillar pod, Autometer Boost gauge, and a Hallman Pro MBC(yes i capped the intake tube and turbo nipple, but left the BCS plugged in), and kept the boost near stock at 12psi. drove it all night after the install. ran great, except when i went past 14 psi it would come out of the BOV, so i turned it back down( stock 2g BOV sucks). then i get home and go to sleep. wake up the next morning and go to drive it and it barely starts or idles.

then, i take it up to auto zone to scan it(### i know i still had p1400, i wanted to see if i had any others). i had to keep feathering the gas to keep it alive. anything above like 1200rpm and it runs ok. i even redlined it on the way there. it was strong and held boost. but once i come close to a stop or turn i have to pop it in neutral and keep feathering it to stay on. i can get it to start, but i just have to keep feathering it.

so then today i check all my vacuum lines and finally just do the vacuum delete(for ease of diagnosis and testing). then i use a tool that my friend made(PVC pip and cap with an air line fitting) to pressurize the intake. hose clamp it onto the TB elbow and hook up the air line. no leaks, held air pressure. BUT why would it be a vacuum leak if it ran all night and then just didn't start in the morning. NO CHANGES. but i did it just to be sure.

so my only thoughts turn to that i had a bad idle air control motor, or that manifold differential pressure sensor. but i ran fine before with the p1400, so why would it cause it now. and it drove fine one night then wouldn't run in the morning. what the hell went bad over night? this things becoming a nightmare, I'm sick of working on it.....

....i JUST replaced the IAC with a brand new 1. AND the manifold differential pressure sensor with a brand new 1. STILL won't idle.

i don't know what to do now. it seems like its trying to run on just 3 at idle. just runs terrible. injectors? ignition? IDK!!!....please help! LOL
 
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Turn it on with the MAF unplugged. Sounds just like my old 2g with a bad MAF.
 
OK! i unbelievably got it to idle with it unplugged!


well i had to help start it, but then i managed to get it to level itself out and putter at 800 rpm. but if i gave it any throttle it would fall apart and struggle to rev up.

then i plugged it back in and i couldn't get it to idle at all. it would always put- put putter to a stop. but when i revved it, it would rev nicely.

so do i have a bad MAF?
 
well i switched in my buddies MAF and its the same thing. won't run. terrible idle. misses when i rev(didn't let it warm up tho). and then i compression tested it and it did well. spark plugs are black.

any other ideas?
 
In case anybody cares, here's how the issue was solved (posted in a different thread):

well problem solved. heres what happened.... i put all the vacuum lines back on because i was fed up, and got the car to pass echeck.

so then i did the vacuum delete again. and i looped the EGR with a small vac line. then i get a NEW code. not the p1400(manifold sensor) OR P443(EVAP circuit), but it was p403(EGR circuit). and every once in a while the car wont idle, id have to keep it alive. but the only code was p403

well i finally got a EGR block off plate. a nice thick black one with "Fi-D", the company, on it. its thick but comes with nice hard allen screws that sit in recessed holes which make them look flush with the plate. been driving for a few days now with no check engine light! and no idle problems!

so for anyone who was looking for the answer that i was looking for, and cant find a definite one like i was looking for. well here it is:

Yes, you can do the vacuum delete with NO check engine light!

i left the sensors on the firewall completely open(no vac lines or caps on the nipples, but still plugged in)... capped the 3 nipples on top of the throttle body... and completely removed the EGR valve, replacing it with a block off plate... car runs great, no CEL.
 
Wow. I may have a problem related to the same thing @ the egr plate. Gotta spend some time reinstalling the head 1st...
 
Very helpful I am in the middle of doing the samething and you answered all the questions I had. Thank you.
 
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