97 GST + $1200 vs. 3000GT VR4 - suggestions?

[Toshiro]

Hey guys, I have a 97 GST w/ an intake, 1g BOV, some slight suspension mods, and gauges. I ordered a pocket logger cable the other day. My friend just got a 94 3000GT VR4 and I want to embarass him from a roll. Will $1200 get me there?

Maybe:
$400 custom 3in exhaust
$200 downpipe
$12 home depot boost controller
$150 fuel pump
$200 used 14b and install kit
$250 upper and lower IC piping


If you don't want this to be a bench racing thread, my question could be rephrased to "how can $1200 put me under whatever a 3000GT VR4's quarter mile time is?"

 

[talonGSX]

Once again another story of driver error. I dont know what you guys dont understand about this...a properly driven AWD car on the street will beat a FWD car from a light. Hands down. So you guys are racing shitty drivers...or more than likely in the honduh race, the guy didnt even know a race was going on till you guys left the light, then he caught up and quickly disposed of you.

acctually we new the guy and he wanted to race the teggy so we caught a stoplight and raced him. and no the guy dosent know how to drive an AWD car he made every mistake in the book on the launch (i even video taped it and i was expecting him to leave us from the go but when we started he was still at the light and we were about 1-1.5 car leangths ahead and im like WTF is he doing? then i figured out later he only had the car for about 3 weeks) and i understand everything perfectly i must have not given enough info in my last post

 

[JRaptor2000]

heh...my completely stock 1988 Golf that puts only like 90 hp to the ground beat a GSX and WRX off the line because they both sucked at launching...and mines not even a 5 spd. Some people are just ####ies and don't wanna launch their car because they think they'll mess up the drivetrain.

Btw...how do you launch a GSX/WRX properly? Rev til the turbo kicks in and drop it or feather out the clutch?

 

[VRMAN]

Hey VRMAN, just because you get wood over VR4s, doesn't mean that they can't be beat with the smaller turbos (14b, 16g). A car is only as good as its driver and if a fast car has a shitty driver, then that's too bad. I'd love to roll up next to some rich prep who can't drive worth a dime and shit all over his VR4 in my GST. Am I gonna feel sorry for the VR4 which has a pathetic owner? Hell no. I'm gonna be cheesing all the way back to my house cuz frankly a win is a win.

Okay, so what? Also, what the fhuck does your first sentence have to do with the rest of the paragraph? You start on one point and bounce to rehashed rhetoric about it being up to the driver.

Solid post Ginnboost, you sure swayed my way of thinking :thumbdown

 

[VRMAN]

A properly setup and tuned 16s will run low to mid 12's. End of story. I'm sorry, but it is really that simple.

I'm sorry, no it isn't. This guy has a GS-T sparky not a GSX. You don't just slap on and "tune" a 16G on a FWD and have it run low to mid 12s.

When someone sks if they can beat a car or run aime with a certain setup, you OBVIOUSLY have to tell them what they could do if the car was optimized. You're sure as hell not going to say "well, if you suck at life and everything is broken, you'll run an 18!" are you?

No, Im not. I also won't give them pie-in-the-sky numbers that a professional drag racer would run on a fully optimized setup because most likely if this kid doesn't even know how is car will potentially run then he probably is just an average joe. And I will give him average numbers. Not the best or worst recorded but the medium as to keep his expectations real world.


just like there is zero sense in talking about a 14 second 16g.

, there are WAY more FWD 16G owners running low 14s-high 13s then high 12s. Your moniker of "DSM wiseman" must have been based on bench racing. I hate to insult you like that as I don't mean to pick a fight but your advice and thought process for this particular thread is flawed to say the least.

 

[mitch83]

Just to add fuel to the fire a buddy back home has a VR4 not sure what the year is at the moment but he ran a 13.8 bone stock. Thats in louisiana with crazy 90% humidity so take that for what its worth. But I've also seen GS-T's GSX's, and TSI's run low 13s with 14Bs and 16Gs.
mitch

 

[kpt4321]

I can't quote your post because you don't understand internet formatting.

The fact that he has a FWD is irrelevant, because he already said that he is going to race the car from a roll. As a matter of fact, that means he will probably be faster than an AWD would be, not slower.

Since you talk about "average" times, when someone asks you what they need to run a 12, do you tell them a 20g and a big FMIC?

Maybe you're different, but I won't settle for mediocricy.

If you have a problem with my title, how about you go talk to Chris about it? I didn't just decide to have it one day, it was given to me.

 

[MattnGsx]

I smoked a vr4 from a 40 mph drop, and I even let him drop first.

-Matt

 

[VRMAN]

I can't quote your post because you don't understand internet formatting.

The fact that he has a FWD is irrelevant, because he already said that he is going to race the car from a roll. As a matter of fact, that means he will probably be faster than an AWD would be, not slower.

I am not a newb, Im well aware a GS-T has the upper hand in trap speed over its AWD counterpart. That doesn't change the fact that you said "low to mid 12s, its that simple" which is a comment



Since you talk about "average" times, when someone asks you what they need to run a 12, do you tell them a 20g and a big FMIC?


Well I sure wouldn't tell them all they need is a properly tuned 16G on their FWD......


Maybe you're different, but I won't settle for mediocricy.

Who said I would? You are distorting what we were talking about......

If you have a problem with my title, how about you go talk to Chris about it? I didn't just decide to have it one day, it was given to me.

I honestly don't care. Just don't agree with you in this particular thread.

about how I respond with quotes.

 

[kpt4321]

Well I sure wouldn't tell them all they need is a properly tuned 16G on their FWD......

The poster of this thread made it very clear that he was concerned only with a race FROM A ROLL. As such, you can say that.

A properly tuned 16g on a FWD may not run 12's, but it sure as hell will trap as fast or faster than that same setup on an AWD. As such, it still works.

 

[JRaptor2000]

how fast you think you could make a VR-4 if you slap Garrett BB turbo's on it?

 

[VRMAN]

The poster of this thread made it very clear that he was concerned only with a race FROM A ROLL. As such, you can say that.

A properly tuned 16g on a FWD may not run 12's, but it sure as hell will trap as fast or faster than that same setup on an AWD. As such, it still works.

I'll agree with that although it is a bit off of what was originally being discussed

 

[VRMAN]

how fast you think you could make a VR-4 if you slap Garrett BB turbo's on it?

Jack Teridan ran 10.81 on Mitsubishi 15G turbos as well as supporting mods and excellent tuning. BPU VR-4s (i,dp,bc@14psi) run approx. 12.8@105-6

 

[blcknspo0ln]

first of all.. there is nothing wrong with getting wood over vr4's

2nd, how come no one has clarified if the vr4 is stock or not? from what i've read and believed for the past two years and a half on 3si.org BPU [ 16 psi, dp,tp,catback,intake ] vr4's will run mid 12's.

now, let's do this again, 1200 bucks to start right? keeping in mind realistic prices...

1. intake - 100 - 200
2. turboback - 700-1000
3. 14b - 100-150
4. install kit 50 - 200

that right there will be the extent of what you can buy for 1200 dollars. considering he does ALL the labor himself, finds great deals on parts, he'll have money left over for a fuel pump for 16 psi. correct?

I can't figure in my life how anyone would be running or even trapping faster than a low14 - high 13 second run with that amount of mods and 16 psi. let's keep this on the STREET level and assume that this person, who probably doesn't have enough knowledge [ no offense intended ] to tune and use race gas to boost more than 16 psi SAFELY.

with that in mind, a stock to BPU vr4 should win.

HOWEVER, kpt and VRMAN's arguements are right. if you have the above mods and maybe borrow an SAFC or something and tune for some race gas and turn the boost up to 20 psi.. then it'd be a whole different story. but come on, who are we kidding? he's not gonna do it.

 

[Daem0n]

'97 GS-T - 3142 lbs.

'94 3kgt vr-4 - 3803 lbs.

Curb weights for both are assuming both have manual transmissions.

My friend just got a 94 3000GT VR4.

Maybe I'm going into dangerous territory by assuming this, but I'm going by what you've said and am going to say that since he just got the car, he'll need a few weeks to get the feel of it. And since you're going to do this from a roll, I think you shouldn't be worrying at all. He's got about 700 more lbs to lug around, and AWD isn't going to help. Spend your money on the mods you've already mapped out, and I think you'll take 'em.

And even if you do get walked, take the loss in stride and know that you now have a faster car.

 

[ITSME4G63]

damn, that website posted says that my car supposed to run 15.2 stock, I'm glad I imporved 2 seconds over stock

 

[LandoAWD]

Bench racing is bench racing. We can guestimate forever, so go race him and find out.