97 GST + $1200 vs. 3000GT VR4 - suggestions?

[Toshiro]

Hey guys, I have a 97 GST w/ an intake, 1g BOV, some slight suspension mods, and gauges. I ordered a pocket logger cable the other day. My friend just got a 94 3000GT VR4 and I want to embarass him from a roll. Will $1200 get me there?

Maybe:
$400 custom 3in exhaust
$200 downpipe
$12 home depot boost controller
$150 fuel pump
$200 used 14b and install kit
$250 upper and lower IC piping


If you don't want this to be a bench racing thread, my question could be rephrased to "how can $1200 put me under whatever a 3000GT VR4's quarter mile time is?"

 

[c5chris]

Sorry but I dont think an Eclipse with a 14B can beat a 3000GT at all, from a roll or from a standstill. You gotta have at least a 16G and some driving skills to even take one. Goodluck.

 

[v8killerr1]

i doubt it, i used to have a 94 with only a kn filter and it ran 13.5 so you'll probably have to do a little more.

 

[Toshiro]

I have a little more than $1200, but that's all I really wanted to spend. Maybe it's time to dig a little deeper. Well, after I finish my suspension, that is.

So I need to shoot for low 13s, then?

 

[swarm]

depends on the 3kgt driver. i took one with my GSt and all i had was plug wires, plugs, and a K&N

very, very close race though.... i can post video

 

[slice]

I think you could take a VR-4 with those mods + tuning and good driving. The good driving should factor in less IMO since you're going to do it from a roll. I don't think you should be concerned with quarter mile times since it's from a roll. It really has more to do with trap speed. VR-4's might have quite a bit of power stock, but they are boats and the AWD isn't helping things from a roll.

 

[Toshiro]

That's one of the reasons why I said from a roll. I know he'd own me on the launch, and I know my car is a lot lighter than his.

 

[dsmayhem]

Spend the $1200 and race him. Worst comes to worst you have a faster car and still loose to him.

 

[paranoidTSi]

I think you could take a VR4 from a roll, you don't have near the HORSEPOWER drivertrain loss the VR4 has. On top of that a VR4 is probably AT LEAST 400 or so more pounds in the weight category if not more.

On a 14B running 15PSI of boost with a nice full exhaust you should be able to take it. It will probably be fairly close maybe a car length win, but you should win like I said.

 

[OneFastEclipse]

If you did those mods you should have no problem with it. My car has similar mods and is a auto AWD and I spanked the hell out of a 92 VR4 from a roll and a stop. Got it all on video too. Just need to get it on my computer.

 

[VRMAN]

I mainly hang out with the 3000GT guys in my city, more so than the Eclipse guys and your stories aren't really adding up.

I had a 1994 GS-T, Downpipe, 3 inch exhaust, boost at 14.5psi and intake w/hardpipe and could beat the 91-93 VR4s from 20-100 by 1/2-1 car length. Remember those are rated at 300hp. The 94-99s have 320 HP and they would beat me by 1/2 car. THAT IS BONE STOCK.

If that VR4 even just has an intake and BC at 15psi then most likely you will lose. Nothing to be ashamed of though. Figure they run 13s stock, you run low 15s. To hang with them for $1700 bucks is pretty damn good, but don't expect to win too much.

Check my profile, racing a full BPU 3KGT VR-4 I barely hold the win on shitty 91 octane. Race gas and its a different story......

 

[gsxeclipseguy]

with that stuff and a fwd from a roll you will eat him most likely ( just a guess though)

 

[GinNBoost]

Here's a tidbit of encouragement, I recall seeing a video of a 2g GS-T...yes a GST...destroying a VR4 from a dig. I don't know what the GST had, but it just plain old walked the shit out of the VR4...FROM A STOP!

So let's not consider all is lost with a GST right from the get go.

 

[Mo-Bo0st]

Here's a tidbit of encouragement, I recall seeing a video of a 2g GS-T...yes a GST...destroying a VR4 from a dig. I don't know what the GST had, but it just plain old walked the shit out of the VR4...FROM A STOP!

So let's not consider all is lost with a GST right from the get go.

Can we say "driver error"?

 

[talonGSX]

my friend raced a vr-4 from a stop when he had an integra LS and left it on the line by about 1- 1 1/2 car leangths but about 3-4 seconds later we were staring at 3kgt taillights until he disappeared.
i think it depends on how much boost you are going to be running. but most likely i think the 3kgt will win

 

[Mo-Bo0st]

my friend raced a vr-4 from a stop when he had an integra LS and left it on the line by about 1- 1 1/2 car leangths but about 3-4 seconds later we were staring at 3kgt taillights until he disappeared.
i think it depends on how much boost you are going to be running. but most likely i think the 3kgt will win

Once again another story of driver error. I dont know what you guys dont understand about this...a properly driven AWD car on the street will beat a FWD car from a light. Hands down. So you guys are racing shitty drivers...or more than likely in the honduh race, the guy didnt even know a race was going on till you guys left the light, then he caught up and quickly disposed of you.

 

[kpt4321]

Sorry but I dont think an Eclipse with a 14B can beat a 3000GT at all, from a roll or from a standstill. You gotta have at least a 16G and some driving skills to even take one. Goodluck.

You're joking, right?

Show me a stock VR-4 that run low 13's, or better yet, high 12's. There may be some in the low 13's, but not the high 12's.

A GS-T will have no problem trapping over 100 on stock injectors and a 14b. That means a little more in terms of mods, and it'll be no problem.

With a 16g and the proper setup, a stock VR-4 would get DESTROYED.

 

[VRMAN]

You're joking, right?

With a 16g and the proper setup, a stock VR-4 would get DESTROYED.

16G cars run 14s to 11s so thats a retarded statement. WTF is a "proper setup" anyhow? Don't spread this thinking process to newbs, its not healthy. One is going to get burnt by a VR4 running a S16G at 15psi and no other mods and wonder what happened.....


Like I said, I run these things all day long, I know how they perform.

 

[kpt4321]

16G cars run 14s to 11s so thats a retarded statement. WTF is a "proper setup" anyhow? Don't spread this thinking process to newbs, its not healthy. One is going to get burnt by a VR4 running a S16G at 15psi and no other mods and wonder what happened.....

Like I said, I run these things all day long, I know how they perform.

A proper setup means all the supporting mods and properly tuned.

What's the point of making a comparison if you can't assume the supporting mods and proper tuning? If you don't assume that, then any kind of horsepower levels and times for ANY turbo are completely useless.

My car has walked lightly modded 300ZX's with stock injectors, the 14b, and SMIC. I'm not a stranger to this either.

 

[CowPimp]

I would be willing to bet money you will win. 92s and 94s are the slowest years of VR4s. 94s run a really low 14 stock. You will be running a better 1/4 time, plus you will have less drivetrain loss on your side. Maybe they are inaccurate times I am basing this on, but I got the info from this site: http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

 

[dsmayhem]

Bench racing is bench racing. We can guestimate forever, so go race him and find out.

 

[VRMAN]

Although I'm positive we'll never see it, VIDEO THE RACE.

kpt4321: That still doesn't say anything. Properly set-up and tuned leaves way too many variable. Like I said, good for 14s-11s. Im glad you can beat modded 300ZXTTs, thats cool as shit, but it doesn't mean this guy should decimate a second gen VR4 by any means.

To the other guy: There is no difference performance wise at all between 91-93 VR4s so that 92 stat was horseshit. The 94s are heaviest with the most gadgetry equipment but all 1st gens usually run ON AVERAGE 13.9@101 and second gens run 13.6@103-4.

 

[GinNBoost]

Hey VRMAN, just because you get wood over VR4s, doesn't mean that they can't be beat with the smaller turbos (14b, 16g). A car is only as good as its driver and if a fast car has a shitty driver, then that's too bad. I'd love to roll up next to some rich prep who can't drive worth a dime and shit all over his VR4 in my GST. Am I gonna feel sorry for the VR4 which has a pathetic owner? Hell no. I'm gonna be cheesing all the way back to my house cuz frankly a win is a win.

 

[CowPimp]

To the other guy: There is no difference performance wise at all between 91-93 VR4s so that 92 stat was horseshit. The 94s are heaviest with the most gadgetry equipment but all 1st gens usually run ON AVERAGE 13.9@101 and second gens run 13.6@103-4.

The originator of this thread should be right around mid 13s with the setup he is purposing. I think that should be enough to beat this guy from a roll. Even if not, I think this will be an excellent race.

 

[kpt4321]

Properly set-up and tuned leaves way too many variable. Like I said, good for 14s-11s.

A properly setup and tuned 16s will run low to mid 12's. End of story. I'm sorry, but it is really that simple. It has the airflow characteristics to do that, and the motor is certainly capable of it. You only need a small amount of the proper (and very well documented) supporting mods to achieve this. Exhaust, injectors, pump, fuel control, intercooler.

When someone sks if they can beat a car or run aime with a certain setup, you OBVIOUSLY have to tell them what they could do if the car was optimized. You're sure as hell not going to say "well, if you suck at life and everything is broken, you'll run an 18!" are you?

The point is that when you are rating a turbo or a setup by what it can do, you simply always talk about what it can done when used properly. There is zero sense in talking about what a setup will do when it's not optimized, just like there is zero sense in talking about a 14 second 16g.