4g63 in a civic?

[Dieselboy]

This is funny, I knew I was good for something. Looks like my old Honda knowledge still comes in handy WARNING.... LONG......

Depending on N/A or F/I with Hondas, depends on what you wanna go with and how fast you will go. There are N/A B-20/Vtec (Frankenstien) motor powered cars all over the place doing low 13's/high 12's. You should hit 12's easy with the right setup, consisting of a B-16B(Civic Type R) or B-18C5 (Integra Type-R) both heads are ported and polished factory and built. Building can be taken further with products like JUN (which I would go with), Spoon, Portflow, Toda, and Mugen. Fully build the head, turn your attention to the block. The B-20 wassnt meant for Vtec nor revs exceeding 7200rpm factory. Swap the stock rods out with Crower or Eagle rods, and swap the pistons out for JE 12.5:1 pistons. Place either Type-R tranny (both LSD equipped) or use a B-16A tranny with an aftermarket LSD unit (These two trannys in particular because of the closer gear ratios, much closer than a GSR, WAY closer than an LS). Get a reprogrammed ECU from Spoon (like I had on my Civic HB), Mugen , or Skunk2 (with a built head and valvetrain, these ECU's with take you to 9Krpm+, which you WILL pull power too)and youll be in 12's N/A easily.

Oh, and EARLY problems with "frankenstien" motors were oil leaks. You should have no problem now with work from a reputable tuner/shop (they just have to mix/match the Vtec/non-Vtec parts and tap/drill the extra oil lines properly). Might sound like work, and may cost quite a bit, but in the end, youll be putting down some SERIOUSLY impressive hp and ESPECIALLY tq numbers for a Honda, and youll have an AWSOME N/A Honda spankin' some serious tail and getting some SERIOUS respect. Wanna go turbo on this setup? Do all listed above, except with the Type-R head, leave the stock internals as you wont need to build the valvetrain for N/A, instead of JE 12.5:1 N/A pistons, go with the JE 8.5:1 pistons, and maybe go with a GSR tranny for SLIGHTLY longer gears to utilize spool time. This can be an easy 11 POSSIBLE 10 sec street driven car. Keep in mind, built B-16A turbo'd Hondas can run 12's QUITE easily on the street.

If your thinking H-22, then your going to need a Civic or Integra platform ('92-'95 Civic Hatchback recommended). The CRX platform is out of the question for street driven. WAY too much custom welding/fitting and Way too much street drivability lost. HASport makes H-22 engine mount kits for '92-'95 AND '96-'00 Civics and '94+ Integras (too bad the kit is in excess of $600). You dont need to swap out the front suspension for Prelude suspension parts, but stiffer shocks in the front are A MUST. And BTW, you CANT fit a turbo on an H-22 powered Civic or 'Teg, the front core support and radiator are positioned WAY to close for a motor that size. A friend of mine has an H-22 powered '94 Civic Hatch, and his header is rubbing up against his radiator. So turbo with that setup, at least for now and at least street driven, is outta the question.

All in all, your money is going to be best spent on a B-20/Vtec setup, N/A or Boosted. Hope this helps

 

[rdrkt]

Dieselboy: You seem to be using the word easy incorrectly. I could be a dick and post the definition out of the dictionary but I will approach this a bit more cordially. To me easy is something that just about anyone can do with little effort. If it were as easy as you say there would be a lot more fast Hondas running around then there are now. That is not to say that the combos that you listed and the examples given would work. I bet they are the recipe for a nice Honda. But as anyone that has done a build up on a few cars knows its not just a matter of breaking out the credit card and picking up the phone regardless of what Angela Proudfoot says. Also a turbo fwd car will not be able to easily click off a 12 on the street. Have you ever owned a high powered fwd car? Traction is just not there on the street regardless of LSD or tire type. While the build up suggestions you are giving is good you are setting very unreasonable expectations.

 

[Jake]

a h22 is to heavy for a crx

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by Jake
a h22 is to heavy for a crx

actually its not, the best setup to put in a crx is a b18c5, they type R motor, but id reather have the tourqe of the h22, actually the h22 is only a little bit heavier than the b18c5

 

[Pennywise]

b18c5's are like almost 6k. just get a b16a for like 2500, then get the toda stroker for 2k, everything is ballanced and you have high cp. plus the b16 head and type r are identical

 

[Dieselboy]

Ok ok, you obviously have no idea what some of you guys are talking about regarding Hondas, so Ill keep my mouth shut on this one. I think I know a lil' bit with those (4 years, 5 cars). but obviously most of you DSM'rs know more about Hondas than I do, so Ill take myself outta this arguement.

This is not to say i know everything about OTHER kinds of cars (DSM's in particular), which is why I get my information BEFORE I state falsified facts and smart ass remarks

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Dieselboy
which is why I get my information BEFORE I state falsified facts and smart ass remarks

Originally posted by Dieselboy
Ok ok, you obviously have no idea what some of you guys are talking about regarding Hondas, so Ill keep my mouth shut on this one.

Speaking of smart ass remarks… In the sentence above your grammar leaves much to be desired. :laugh:

Originally posted by Dieselboy
but obviously most of you DSM'rs know more about Hondas than I do, so Ill take myself outta this arguement.

Don’t get your panties in such a knot. In car forums a lot of people discuss things not just blindly accept your statements as facts no matter how much expirence you think you have.

I just think you definition of easy is a little unrealistic. I checked your webpage but since I don’t know your name I can't look you up. How many 12 second NA Hondas or 10 sec street driven turbo Hondas are in your car club since it seems to be easy enough for anyone to do.

 

[LaserRST]

Putting a 4g63 in a honda is like putting a Chevy 350 in a Mustang!! That would be bad azz!! Turbo and AWD... woot woot! With all the body kits for hondas it would be rice and race.

4g63T->:xnuts:<-Vtec "Put a real engine in there!"

Oh ya you gotta take off the Honda symbols and replace em with

..."Politically correct disclaimer"...

...i am in no way bashing Hondas...:l<-(serious)...i think they are good cars too......they are very pretty cars that make loud whining noises much like my turbo... ...they have nice looking front ends and if I could find one that can beat my car on the street i am sure i would have nice things to say about the rear if i ever got the chance to see it...

 

[Dieselboy]

rdrkt, Eric Morris, B-20/Vtec Turbo Si. Ofcorse it didnt come cheap, but he'll be low 11's, possible high 10's with that block built like a #@%#@%#@%#@%#@% outta hell and the psi he plans on/can run with it(now ofcorse traction will be a problem on the street). In no way am I saying a Honda can EASILY be faster than a DSM, I just hate Honda bashing and people that think they know what their talking about when it comes to Hondas when they really dont. And Im not here to prove a point or be this boards Honda "know-it-all, but I will step up and correct a false statement/information. Im not on here boasting that I know everything there is to know about DSM's, but I DO know Hondas. As for DSM's, I hardly know #@%#@%#@%#@% at the moment. But thats why I ask questions, and learn how from people that know.

Now like I said, I dont wanna get in a smart ass, pointless arguement with anyone over this. As far as my opinion, Hondas shouldnt even be a discussion on this board. So with that, I said Im outta this convo so please get over it. Have a nice day

 

[UndergroundR32]

What Honda's have you owned? Were they street cars? What were your track times, if raced?

 

[Pennywise]

I agree hondas are harder to obtian speed with, but that is no reason to bash on them. My friend has spend 10k, and so far he has a ls/v-tech, with all the bolt ons, and all disk brakes, and he just now is geting ready to turbo it. but that lucky @#$@ got his car stolen. then 3 months later it was recovered. the idiot who stole it put 16" gunmetal te-37s, act clutch, v-afc, carbon fiber hood, spoon carbon fiber wing, complete buddy club body kit, new speakers, headers, short shifter, new cd player, and a 2 12s in a ported box. itr manifold. He got to keep everything! since were in the jdm thing he traded the system body kit and wing for a complete t3/t4 turbo kit! thats luck!

 

[Bohrn]

holy creeping green boost batman!! Lucky bugger. If someone stole my car, the cops would come back with a 91 base model 1.8 auto talon with rust and say that they found my car.

 

[984G634LIFE]

My advice is but a B16A in it with nitrous,air filter and exhaust and leave it alone. Theres enough power there for your brother(who sounds like an amateur)when he wants a faster car tell him to buy a GSX. . Oh yeah I hate on Honduhs cuz they suck. If you really want an explanation. PM me.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by 984G634LIFE
My advice is but a B16A in it with nitrous,air filter and exhaust and leave it alone. Theres enough power there for your brother(who sounds like an amateur)when he wants a faster car tell him to buy a GSX. . Oh yeah I hate on Honduhs cuz they suck. If you really want an explanation. PM me.

B16 is not a waste, but far from an ideal engine to use for a swap. Better off looking for a b18, considering it's not much more of an involved swap than the 1.6.
It's one thing if you don't like Honda's, many people on this web board I'm sure do not. But to say they suck is just ignorant, and something I would expect to hear from my little brothers friend who thinks his 5.0 is the fastest thing in town. Do I want an explanation? No, that would just be giving you an excuse to rag on the fact that they're rice because the large majority of Honda owners have nothing more than an AEM intake, muffler(not a full exhaust) and two rims on the back with some steelies on the front. Well... Maybe they're just the majority in my town. But you're no more high and mighty than the next hybrid hatch owner.

 

[Dieselboy]

Originally posted by UndergroundR32
What Honda's have you owned? Were they street cars? What were your track times, if raced?

1). 84' honda Prelude
2). 91' Honda Accord EX
3). '00 Civic EX
4). '95 Civic EX coupe (with GSR/B-18C1) swap
5). '92 Civic CX hatch (with B-20/Vtec) swap

First 3 werent nothing special since they were the stock single-cam motors. #4 had AEM CAI, JDM Integra Type-R header, straight pipe, 5 Zigen Exh., ACT clutch w/ JUN 7lb flywheel, Skunk2 Intake Man., few other goodies, ran a [email protected] full interior. #5 had virtually the same, - the Int. Man., + ITR pistons and Eagle rods, ran 12.98@1xxmph fully stripped interior, open header. You cannot tell me thats not impressive, no, not DSM #'s, but if you dont think thats very impressive for a N/A FWD 4cyl., then 1).you obviously have no respect period, 2). you ride the short bus, 3). your like 98% of Supra owners who thinks their shiiet dont stink because you cant get over the fact that AWD DSM's are in a class of their own 4). You cant get over your ego cuz you hate the car so much, you cant possibly give respect to it. I hate domestics, but I give them respect because most of them are fast as shiiiet and most of em hand ass all motor.

Originally posted by UndergroundR32
But you're no more high and mighty than the next hybrid hatch owner.

AMEN!!!!

Originally posted by 984G634LIFE Oh yeah I hate on Honduhs cuz they suck.

Good reason , now I wish I still had my hatch, I'd looooove to show you how bad that car sucked, and it would've sucked looking at my rear lic. plate....***-GST, funny coincidence huh?

when he wants a faster car tell him to buy a GSX.

Thats funny, comming from someone who settled for a GST.....

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by Dieselboy


AWD DSM's are in a class of their own

Originally posted by Dieselboy
Thats funny, comming from someone who settled for a GST..... [/B]

:laugh:

 

[Kinesis Design]

why not just put a 4G63 in a mirage? a 93-96 2 door mirage weighs 2200 lbs. and the 4G is almost a bolt in.

 

[onegee]

a good friend of mine (no this isn't some guy who knows a person i kno or that kinda thing, i've known him since childhood) jus bought a EG civic with a gs-r motor swap and tranny, upgraded ecu, some piggy back fuel system, msd, fiber glass one piece front end, suspension and motor work and the damn thing runs 12.4....but thing is it cost him $10K for the car (he bought it with a built up motor =/ )

 

[984G634LIFE]

Whats a EG Civic? Anyways, yeah youre right i settled for a GST but this was after i owned a 96 gsx for a month and the halfshafts went SNAP. I was pushin 390 horse at the wheels and like 420 at the flywheel on a greddy 18g. i had a greddy power xtreme catback,random tech high flow cat and a 2.5 downpipe, profec b, type-s BOV and a short shifter. And since i'm not rich and the warranty was bye bye i had to beg my dad to finance the gst for me. i'm thankful for having it too. oh yeah also, i said i hate on them cuz they suck just to provoke people to PM me and ask why. i actually work on them all the time for people in columbus and marion. my friend mike owns a garage and basically he does the repair work my dude ty does the body work and i'm always looked to for performance. i also understand that people who come to this site prolly own other cars too but i seem to have missed the time when they made HONdUH sites too. I prolly know just as much about a toyota, mazda or honduh as i do my eclipse. ya'll need to calm down. the person ireally have a problem with is laserlx who thinks hes the sh!t cuz he has a mustang. now that's a ghey car if i've ever sen one. i'd drive a civic with a d18 before one of those.

 

[Pennywise]

underground r32 you are an idiot!! hondas don't suck you suck! you have no idea what you are taking about! hondas have just as much potential as dsm's, its just more costly. please state proof that they suck..... thats right theres no proof. There is know explination, other then you are a narrow minded idiot, and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I know some hondas that would literaly eat your vr4, from a dead stop lauching from 2nd gear, ALL motor! DON'T state un-true ignorant things, it just makes you look stupid. you are in a class of your own, theres a completely ignorant drooling idiot and then theres you.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by Pennywise
underground r32 you are an idiot!! hondas don't suck you suck! you have no idea what you are taking about! hondas have just as much potential as dsm's, its just more costly. please state proof that they suck..... thats right theres no proof. There is know explination, other then you are a narrow minded idiot, and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I know some hondas that would literaly eat your vr4, from a dead stop lauching from 2nd gear, ALL motor! DON'T state un-true ignorant things, it just makes you look stupid. you are in a class of your own, theres a completely ignorant drooling idiot and then theres you.

:laugh: I would say you're an idiot, but I think you just saved me the job of doing that by accusing me of being the one who said Hondas sucked.

Here, let me post what I posted IN REPLY to 984G634LIFE who wrote
"Oh yeah I hate on Honduhs cuz they suck. If you really want an explanation. PM me"

I replied by saying...
" It's one thing if you don't like Honda's, many people on this web board I'm sure do not. But to say they suck is just ignorant, and something I would expect to hear from my little brothers friend who thinks his 5.0 is the fastest thing in town."

Originally posted by Pennywise
I know some hondas that would literaly eat your vr4, from a dead stop lauching from 2nd gear, ALL motor!

:laugh: 2nd gear, I'll bet you do. And I bet they're street legal and could do this on drag radials also.

 

[Bohrn]

oy, maybe its time to cool off, have a beer or two, and lock this thing before it gets really ugly.

 

[Dieselboy]

Agreed

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by 984G634LIFE
I was pushin 390 horse at the wheels and like 420 at the flywheel on a greddy 18g. i had a greddy power xtreme catback,random tech high flow cat and a 2.5 downpipe, profec b, type-s BOV and a short shifter.

:laugh:
I your sure you didn’t mean to say 260? 390 would have to be the 18g HP record and completely impossible with the mods your have listed. you didn’t even do the flywheel to wheel hp calculation correctly. Why would you even say something like that

 

[imperial]

Hmm I definately do not believe the numbers out of that B18 greddy turbo setup.

I sold my DSM, and finally finished off the Integra and I can say I am quite pleased. (Although I'm looking for another 1G now.)

As the Integra sits right now it is generating 328 whp and 234 ft/lbs on only 11 psi. The car is barely tuned and anyone who follows me around is guarenteed to get some killer gas mileage.

Anyways, some pictures and a dyno sheet for you:

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The turbo is a Turbonetics BB HiFi 60-1, the car has traction issues even from a 75 mph roll-on, and it's a damn blast to drive!

*EDIT* I should also mention that the car once tuned will be running about 16 psi on the street, and the track/race gas setup will be 25+ psi, while revving out another 1200 RPM to 9200 RPM.