2jz-gte Rwd 2g Gsx

[hubz91talontsi]

I guess us pa guys are a little more open minded. Supra's may be overrated in your eyes, but not mine. The power you can daily drive at is just amazing. Engines are just indestructible

 

[Sam@RRE]

So aside from the baby motor or the King Kong monstrosity which motor(s), might i ask, do you like if not the 2J, 4g63, SR20, or RB?

side note, didnt mean to try to highjack the thread

No disrespect to the OP or Mods, I'll end this here and if TheOctane has any other questions about my opinions, he can PM me.

But for production engines 5M-GE out of the 2nd and 3rd gen Toyota Cressidas. 320,000+ miles on that thing in my dads car. Only thing ever replaced was fan belts.

Non production Series - Cosworth XFE Turbo. 2.6L V8 12,000RPM Max due to Homologations, 750hp, and 800hp during Push-to-Pass.

I'm not looking at the engines from a Fast Car or Highest HP/liter or high HP overall. I'm looking at it from and engineering standpoint. And OP don't get me wrong the 2JZ is impressive, so is the RB, so is the 4G63. I know 10 guys with fast 2JZ's. I know guys with fast RB's, I know guys with fast SR's (hell one of them works with me). But for every fast car, there is a faster one. I've seen/built/driven my fair share of fast cars. Speed/power is all the same to me at this point. All the same laws of physics apply. The things that I find impressive are the engineering feats, like that 10 story tall ship engine where you can ride your skate board in the crank journals like its a half pipe.

And as far as your comment about the 500whp stock block 4g63. I know personally know someone who has one. 536awhp to be exact, fully stock 6bolt motor. He's actually on the top15 fastest on the DSMlink forums. This was done cheap, most broke dick cheap DSM way ever. HolsetHX40 bolt on housing, DSMlinkv2, Injectors, E85, External pump, FP3 cams(i think), stock exhaust with a cutout. Dont Remember if he had a SMIM.

I will agree with the gingerbread transmissions in DSM's though.

 

[RipperXX]

It's silly imo if your goal is only 450-550whp. That can easily be done on the 4G63.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

The 2Jz is a great motor, but I'll disagree that it can run the same times as a 4g63 with the same money invested. You guys with the weak trannies must not be running autos

I'm very curious to see how this swap goes... I don't really understand it, but I'll certainly be watching for the completed project.

4G63>LSX>2JZ>SR20>RB25 .... btw

Also, you have to remember, you built your DSM a couple of years ago, things are a bit different now. (Holsets, E-85, cheaper parts, more knowledge, etc)

 

[99gst_racer]

2) Making 550whp with a 2JZ and making 550whp in a 4G63 are going to cost the same? Since when bro? You dont have to build a 2JZ internally, the 4G will blow up the fawk up, guaranteed. I had close to 6 grand in my motor when i put down a little over 500 to the wheels, and that was without engine management, fuel system, or FI system.

All i'm saying is for what its going to take to build a "RELIABLE" 4G you could have a stock swap making around 400whp with a 2jz

I made 400 WHP with a bone stock 7-bolt longblock and a 50-trim. Talk about cheap, easy power.

So, what's the weakest link on a stock 6-bolt? Pistons? So, with $400, you could throw a set of Wisecos in there and have an engine ready for 550-600 reliable HP. That was easy. And how much does a 2JZ longblock cost these days? More than those Wisecos, I'd bet.

Like I previously said, I think it's pretty cool that you're going to do this, because I'm always down to see some custom, one-off stuff on a DSM. But there's really not much of any benefit by doing this swap - unless you just want a more reliable dyno queen.

 

[THE_ARTIST_]

I want pics. GL with the build and if I had the money I'd do some crazy shit too.

 

[bpestilence]

Recently there was an engine build competition between the major auto magazines. The engines were compared on horsepower/liter, torque curve, and cost. Guess which engine won? 4G63. It beat the RB26. It beat the K22. It beat the 2JZ. It beat a rediculous supercharged 502 Chevy. Seems to me the engine has some potential.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

is there an article on that? I'd like to read it.

 

[jjrock5]

Yeah is there an article? I was just about to ask that.

 

[99gst_racer]

I think he's talking about the Castrol challenge that AMS won. I don't remember a 2JZ engine competing though...

 

[bOOstd GSX]

Recently there was an engine build competition between the major auto magazines. The engines were compared on horsepower/liter, torque curve, and cost. Guess which engine won? 4G63. It beat the RB26. It beat the K22. It beat the 2JZ. It beat a rediculous supercharged 502 Chevy. Seems to me the engine has some potential.

I'm almost positive there was no 2JZ in the competition...

I'm not talking HP/L... I'm talking HP/TQ, cost and reliability, and like I said before the overall cool factor of the swap.

and when it comes to cost and strictly numbers there is absolutely no way in hell that a 4G63 can make better numbers than the 2JZ, its strictly science and its not feasible on a street application.

The downsides to the 4G to me are evident:
- reliability (and if you say this isn’t an issue you either don’t drive your DSM or you’re flat out lying)
- 4 cylinder (not saying it’s a bad thing, but on a street application displacement = torque)
- and the Achilles heel of the drive train, the transmission, look how much 5 speed awd trannies are going for… its ridiculous

I cant find any downsides to the 2JZ except for the custom fab work to get it in the vehicle.







For the last time cost/power/reliability is what i'm keeping in mind. 2JZ wins in all of these departments.

 

[e85_4g63]

So when are we going to see some pictures?

 

[snowborder714]

and when it comes to cost and strictly numbers there is absolutely no way in hell that a 4G63 can make better numbers than the 2JZ, its strictly science and its not feasible on a street application.

I look forward to seeing the build. Make sure to keep track of all costs so you can prove to us it can be done cheaper!

 

[bOOstd GSX]

This project is in the planning stages... this thread was made to gather information, although its been a bunch of people babbling why it's a dumb idea for the most part. Pretty sure I specified in the beginning that if good technical information wasn't being added to the thread, then it probably was pointless to post.

There have been quite a few good posts though, such as using a VR4 rear end, which to be honest I never even thought of.

If someone could help me out with engine bay dimensions I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[jjrock5]

Hmm so you done have a DSM at your disposal? Maybe it would be best to acquire one first and start mocking up some numbers.

 

[nlzn]

2jz swaps are getting over exposed, especially in the s13 crowd.

Go turbo LSx or go home

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Its quite funny how people tell this man that he can get 500hp easy on a 4g63. READ the thread...he had a 500hp awd! If you don't like the idea of the 2jz swap why even come on here and express yourself. No one cares what you think he is doing it anyways.

Its gonna be hard to find a 2g 3000/stealth rear.. I would really push for it though because it will be cheaper than a mkiv. You could always use a 7m supra rear? 4 bolt? TT z32 300zx? Infinity J30?

Engine spec's: 27" in length 17" tall from pan to valve cover and 13" wide. (This is a rough guess from what i can remember. ) Its been a few months since i measured.

Chrysler : Conquest:eBay Motors (item 230384730404 end time Oct-11-09 17:44:31 PDT)

 

[bigf4]

Bro you should do a 1g with a Cumming power stroke turbo diesel motor!

 

[viprez586]

G' luck with the whole swap.

The transmission tunnel is not only huge, but it's tight, that trans fits in there snug as hell! (I know your doing the 2JZ-GTE, but it's the same motor)

The IS300 crowd uses the GS400 rear end to hold up to extra abuse - does require modification but something to think about.

 

[lacroixdp]

I can't wait to see if you pull this off... the 2jz is an incredible engine, I'd definitely agree with you that it's one of the best Japanese motors out there for making big power. The only other motor from Toyopet that I like better is the Formula Atlantic 3sgte.

I'm sure with enough fabrication you can get that bad boy shoved in that 2G chassis.

I would respectfully disagree with your statement that the 4g63 isn't reliable however, specifically the 6bolt. The reason you hear of so many reliability issues is because kids are modding/racing them and have absolutely no idea what they are doing with them. I've been very happy with the reliability of the engine. Now the other parts on DSM's are an entirely different story.

/sigh. I miss the days when Toyopet could engineer worth a damn.

 

[tkelly27]

It's his car, let him do what he wants.

Why is there an argument over engines?
YouTube - scion tc testing 6.44 Sec @ 218 MPH 1/4 mile
Last I checked, that's faster than Rau. "bigger engine, more cylinders, more expensive, blah blah blah" It's faster, by more than half a second and almost 20mph. Not that Rau could never go that fast, but there is ALWAYS someone faster.

He's already had a 500hp GSX, so you're not telling him anything he doesn't know.

If you're interested in a 300zx diff, you may want a NT pumpkin, it has higher (numerically) gears. I have access to both, send me a PM and I can tell you more about them.

I think the 2jz sounds better than any 4 cylinder. I would never swap my 4g though, I'm reluctant to even own a car without one!

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

Ok let me see, a 2jz with a tranny goes for no than $4000, a dsm shell you could find for cheap say $500, turbo and fuel setup $2000, your gonna need at least a AEM standalone $1500, and this doesnt include all the money spent on little things and all the fab work, plus YOUR OWN TIME AND WORK, so for $8000 you MIGHT have a 500whp 2jz swapped dsm. On the other hand i CAN get a 1g awd for say $2500, the SAME turbo/fuel will cost less on a dsm but i will say $2000 for giggles, jackal speed density for tuning and a clutch and if you want a shep rebuild for tranny reliability, another 2500, so for 7000 you WILL have a 500Awhp dsm, that IS RELIABLE.

 

[jjrock5]

This isnt the guy saying he wants 500 hp from whatever platform no matter what way. He already stated he's had 500 on a car before. He wants another 500 but from a DSM WITH a 2jz swap!! C'mon guys, thid isn't about GETTING the power the cheapest, it's about how unique it will be when it's all over with. Stop trying to shove facts in his face and just go fo the ride. I dont think he's making this happen anytime soon and it doesn't look like he's changing his mind so stop pushing the subject and let's waste less thread space.

OP do you have ANY parts or anything that you'll be using for the project? I want to see some pics! Where are you planning on acquiring the engine?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Ok let me see, a 2jz with a tranny goes for no than $4000, a dsm shell you could find for cheap say $500, turbo and fuel setup $2000, your gonna need at least a AEM standalone $1500, and this doesnt include all the money spent on little things and all the fab work, plus YOUR OWN TIME AND WORK, so for $8000 you MIGHT have a 500whp 2jz swapped dsm. On the other hand i CAN get a 1g awd for say $2500, the SAME turbo/fuel will cost less on a dsm but i will say $2000 for giggles, jackal speed density for tuning and a clutch and if you want a shep rebuild for tranny reliability, another 2500, so for 7000 you WILL have a 500Awhp dsm, that IS RELIABLE.

You do know that he has had a 500hp awd correct? I think he would know the price it would cost. You come off to be as being stupid.

 

[99gst_racer]

Why is there an argument over engines?

Who's arguing?

Personally, I just don't like reading false and misleading statements like "more displacement is better for making 500 HP", and "the 4G63 is unreliable". I could care less what he wants to swap into what - but I'm not going to ignore hazy reasoning.

All I'm saying is, let's not start slingling around ignorant and unrealistic comments just because we're excited about an engine swap.

This isnt the guy saying he wants 500 hp from whatever platform no matter what way. He already stated he's had 500 on a car before. He wants another 500 but from a DSM WITH a 2jz swap!! C'mon guys, thid isn't about GETTING the power the cheapest, it's about how unique it will be when it's all over with.

I agree. But keep in mind it was the OP that said the 2JZ route would be cheaper, not anyone else. To everyone that sees the flaws in that reasoning, they are simply disproving that statement, not trying to convince him to use a different engine.



And this thread has nothing to do with custom fabrication. This is all talk. Thread moved.