280 Cams OK? (No tune yet)

[tsi1991awd]

Would I be able to put 280/280 cams in without a tune? I know 272s are OK to do but I want to do things right the first time around. Doing a timing belt job so said hey why not cams and all that while I am in there. Going to be doing DSMLink soon so....

 

[paultheninja]

I would go with HKS or 264/272 combo. If you have any plans on going bigger than a 16g, I would get the 272/272s.

 

[tsi1991awd]

Planning on going with a bigger turbo in the future. But for now looking for 350 to 400 at the wheels from a 16g

 

[toofast82]

Planning on going with a bigger turbo in the future. But for now looking for 350 to 400 at the wheels from a 16g

If this is your goal, and 400whp on a 16g is no easy task, I would hold off on installing the cams until you have the rest of your supporting mods ready to put in. That way you have the ability to tune it right the first time.
According to your wishlist of fuel pump, injectors and Link, you WILL need those things. There are other options instead of Link like Ds-Map(Jackal), which will also give you full timing/fuel control. They are both good products. Do some research and decide which is best for you. You could even get your ecu socketed and burn your own chips for the same effect.
Should definitely get a wideband too.
Sounds like you are still using the 1gMas, you may want to upgrade to at least a 2g or Speed Density(Jackal,Link) as another option.
If you plan on using pump gas only, then I would look into a water/meth kit.
If not, you will need to run e85 or race gas to achieve this.
Obviously 20psi+ as well. Most likely it will be more like 25-30psi midrange dropping off at higher rpms due to the 16g compressor not keeping up with the increased airflow the upgraded cams provide.
Do the research, buy the upgrade parts once so that when you do upgrade turbos, you wont need to buy injectors, pump, etc. again!

 

[JayRolla]

I agree with too fast. Look into the ds-map and some other options. Only thing I love about dsmlink is I dont have to stop and reburn the chip. I can tune on the fly. I would never go to anything else.

 

[airmail96]

You can do that with jackal too as long as you get the ostritch ;-).

 

[nyTalonTsi]

Fp2 cams are well.

 

[tsi1991awd]

If this is your goal, and 400whp on a 16g is no easy task, I would hold off on installing the cams until you have the rest of your supporting mods ready to put in. That way you have the ability to tune it right the first time.
According to your wishlist of fuel pump, injectors and Link, you WILL need those things. There are other options instead of Link like Ds-Map(Jackal), which will also give you full timing/fuel control. They are both good products. Do some research and decide which is best for you. You could even get your ecu socketed and burn your own chips for the same effect.
Should definitely get a wideband too.
Sounds like you are still using the 1gMas, you may want to upgrade to at least a 2g or Speed Density(Jackal,Link) as another option.
If you plan on using pump gas only, then I would look into a water/meth kit.
If not, you will need to run e85 or race gas to achieve this.
Obviously 20psi+ as well. Most likely it will be more like 25-30psi midrange dropping off at higher rpms due to the 16g compressor not keeping up with the increased airflow the upgraded cams provide.
Do the research, buy the upgrade parts once so that when you do upgrade turbos, you wont need to buy injectors, pump, etc. again!

I have a 2g MAF, 750cc injectors and 255 Walbro. I am not installing the injectors or MAF until I get DSMLink because I dont want to run all kinds of f*cked up. Also the 255 isnt going in until I get my AFPR. So I already have most supporting mods (aside from DSMLink) they just arent on the car yet. I am getting there, slowly but surely. DSMLink within the next couple months which is why I wanted to knock cams out while I do the t-belt job

 

[dsm-onster]

Seeing as how you have a 16g, then NO there isn't a single 280 cam that your gonna benefit from, the cams you should be looking at are 264/272, and if your crazy a 272/272. Don't waste your money on BC garbage, take a look the HKS, COMP, or the Forced Performance equivalent, and unlike stated above DO NOT get the Kelford. They are again overkill.

That's silly. No cam is overkill if you play on pushing any turbo to it's absolute limit. The bigger the cam the lower to pumping loss at a higher rpm. This means more power to drive the turbine and motor at the point where the turbo needs it the most, it's limit.

It's not NECCESARY to run those cams, but he's getting a bigger turbo later. Why not?

They may be more aggressive but they also lost less power in dyno tests in the low rpms compared to almost all other cams that where tested. I dont think they would be overkill, maybe if he never goes larger than a 16g. I mean any set of 272 cams is overkill for a 16g and has been proven in dyno tests.

If 16g is the most he will ever run then he should go with a 264/272 combo for best tq results.

I'm agreeing that the kelfords are a good buy. . . Don't lose power down low and plenty of cam for 99% of the turbo upgrades out there after the 16g.

The best cams to max out a 16g are big ones. But the kelfords will require a spring upgrade. And the many other 272s don't. This is a significant cost. FP2s are my ultimate recomendation: more flow in the higher revs than hks 272s better idle and still don't require a spring upgrade.

FP4Rs are a good option too, if you can accomodate the cost in a spring upgrade.

 

[tsi1991awd]

So...since I am upgrading to a bigger turbo later on it is OK to run 280s? I want to max out the 16g but I dont want to run like shit until I get tuned. I AM doing BC valve springs/retainers so that isnt a problem.

 

[dsm-onster]

Can't hurt to try them. I don't hear of to many complaints with teh BC280s. They seem to be good grind. I suggest getting them degreed if you can.

 

[tsi1991awd]

Can't hurt to try them. I don't hear of to many complaints with teh BC280s. They seem to be good grind. I suggest getting them degreed if you can.

I m not planning on upgrading the turbo soon...just in the future. how long can I run 280s without it being tuned or upgrading turbo? I dont want to blow shit up...and these will probably be Delta cams

 

[d_hidayat2000]

So...since I am upgrading to a bigger turbo later on it is OK to run 280s? I want to max out the 16g but I dont want to run like shit until I get tuned. I AM doing BC valve springs/retainers so that isnt a problem.

using 280 cam will hurt Your idle and drivability, especially when Your car is daily driven, just stick with 264 /272 if you like the midrange power or 272/272 if you prefer high Rpm
trust me, i used to use 280 cam on my 4g63 ,
now I'm quite happy with 272/272 from cosworth, combined with FP RED turbocharger

 

[tsi1991awd]

Just went to Delta Cams shop a little bit ago and picked up 272s. They look great, we will see how they perform. From what I have heard, should be well worth it. The guy up there said they are modeled after the HKS 272s, but they aren't EXACT copies but he said he wasn't afraid to admit it! So I should be in for a nice surprise

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[Hubbell91Tsi]

I think you would be fine without a tune. I ran 9:1 pistons and 264/272 cams untuned for around 1500 miles and didnt have a single issue.

 

[tsi1991awd]

I am going to run the 272s and see what happens. Hopefully they won't give too much of a problem until I can tune. Which probably won't happen until right after the new year unfortunately. I have a feeling snow here in WA will be bad again this year.

 

[d_hidayat2000]

Hi any result from the cam ?
I think Rough Idle gonna be the main problem,
WOT should be OK
G Luck

 

[tsi1991awd]

I havent installed them yet. Going to install next week...will be sure to update everyone though