20g help

[asd_gst]

will a tdo6 20g be able to fit into a evo3 or 14b turbine housing? i have a tdo6 20g and the housing is cracked and i have a 14 with and a evo3 turbine housing and i was wondering if it would be able to fit the wheel inside it? also does any one have a pic of a mitsu to06 20g of the compressor wheel with the cover on it, im not sure this is a 20g, is there anyway to tell what turbo is what by the wheel or center section?

 

[fwdmaster]

TDO6 20g exhaust wheel won't fit into your 14b or evo hotside,unless the hotside was machined to fit

 

[asd_gst]

ok thanks, so that means i got ripped off, the stock 14b housing fits right over it

 

[asd_gst]

here are some pics of the "tdo6 20g" i bought... one pic is the 20g next to my 14b turbine housing, the other pic with two housings is the 20g next to my evo3 turbine housing, and the wheel kidna hard to see but it has a chip missing out of the side of the turbine wheel there are a dew big cracks(kinda hard to see i took pics with my phone), and the compressor wheel has a pretty big gap between the compressor and the housing, i want to know if this looks like a real 20g. and my 14b housing fits right onto this turbo

 

[JusMX141]

It IS a "TD06" 20G....it just has a clipped TD05H turbine. This is the most common type of 20G available for our cars.

Here's the bad news- I can tell from the photos that thing has mad-wicked shaft play; this is the reason there appears to be a gap between the housing and the wheel on both the compressor and turbine side. It's going to need a complete rebuild (including two new wheels) before this turbo could ever be used- and that's IF the center housing itself isn't ruined.

Your best bet is to get a replacement CHRA at this point and just swap it in yourself. Just make sure the replacement cartridge has a TD05H turbine so it fits your housings.

 

[asd_gst]

that sucks where can i get a new CHRA? and how much would i cost? and does it come with the wheels

 

[JusMX141]

eBay Motors: Turbo Cartridge CHRA Upgrade Mitsubishi TD05H 20G (item 220340296631 end time Feb-04-09 20:48:01 PST)

Turbochagers.com has cartridges for around $450-$500 depending on wheel size....you can email them or call them. I'm sure FP will want way too much, so I'm not even going to suggest them.

Once the center housing's replaced, the turbo will be 100% new aside from it's exterior appearance.

 

[asd_gst]

so how will the tdo5 20g flow compared to a tdo6? and would my evo3 turbine housing work with this? or what housign shoudl i use

 

[JusMX141]

Not as good as a TD06 or TD06H, but it works GREAT under 25psi.

This turbo is my choice over an Evo III 16G because it spools almost as fast but pulls much harder and much further on top. It's like an Evo III on steroids. The TD05H turbine will run out of flow before the 20G compressor runs out of air to push.

If you want to run this turbo, buy a replacement cartridge with a TD05H turbine and run it with your Evo III turbine housing. If you want to upgrade to a bigger turbine, you'll have to find yourself another turbine housing....the Evo III housing can't be machined to accept a larger wheel (too thin) and your 14B housing (shown above) isn't worth putting man hours of porting and machining into.

 

[asd_gst]

im thinking about jsu getting a holset hx 40 pro with the bep housing for around 900

 

[JusMX141]

You can do that for a whole lot less, as well.

 

[silvreclips]

Damn andrew that sucks, so much for that good deal on the turbo.

 

[asd_gst]

yeah tell me about it, i just have bad luck with my car, took me like 2 weeks to find a good 14b then the housing was cracked really bad, then a few month later i buy a e316g and get ripped off then i get the 20g and its a waste of money

 

[JusMX141]

You're dealing with a$$holes, that's why. If people would just learn to properly represent their item in their listing, things would be so much more painless. This is the reason that every turbo I sell is rebuilt, and anything else I sell is described as well as possible with tons of photos.

I recently bought a 16G core from a guy that supposedly had minor shaft play and was rebuildable. When I got it, the compressor fins were hooked and the turbine wheel was damaged from hitting the housing- the shaft just wobbled. The guy claimed it wasn't his fault, and that he's "no turbo expert", which is a common response....but honestly he had to know what was up. Playing stupid only goes so far.

 

[e85_4g63]

Hey man, I got your pictures via email, hit me up on AIM and we'll talk. You could just send the 20g setup you have there to "jusmx141".. He does excellent work when it comes to rebuilding turbo's. How did you make out with the seller? (refund wise?)

 

[JusMX141]

Wouldn't be worth it.

By the time I replace all the parts that are damaged he'd have $400 spent anyway, and those parts would be in a center housing that would be questionable (worn / damaged journals or turbine seal lip).

Parts kit- $75
TD05H turbine- $100
20G compressor wheel- $129
Labor - $75ish

That's $380 spent, plus return shipping, to save his old turbo....out of the question. The only way the 20G would be worth saving is if the entire CHRA was replaced.

I could rebuild it the way it is, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be very efficient at generating airflow with a 1/4" gap between the compressor wheel and the housing.

 

[asd_gst]

im just going to get the holset and see how that is

 

[toofast82]

The holset is going to require a few additional things that cost a few bucks
Oil lines $100
4" intake pipe $60+
slim fan $50+
Custom intercooler piping $?
Youll most likely need the intercooler piping and intake pipe for the 20g, but keep in mind that youll need a turbine housing($200) for the holset if you go bolt on and at least that and more $ if you go T3. Youll most likely need an external wastegate as well to control the holset effectively and really the 20g but your 20g appears to be internal which has been done effectively as well
Your 20g setup will most likely be quite a bit cheaper and you can get new cartridges for $400

 

[e85_4g63]

I missed your IM's last night, I was working till 3 am this morning, hit me up when you get home. After reading what "jusmx141" said, you probably are better off just going with the holset, or buying a new CHRA.

 

[asd_gst]

The holset is going to require a few additional things that cost a few bucks
Oil lines $100
4" intake pipe $60+
slim fan $50+
Custom intercooler piping $?
Youll most likely need the intercooler piping and intake pipe for the 20g, but keep in mind that youll need a turbine housing($200) for the holset if you go bolt on and at least that and more $ if you go T3. Youll most likely need an external wastegate as well to control the holset effectively and really the 20g but your 20g appears to be internal which has been done effectively as well
Your 20g setup will most likely be quite a bit cheaper and you can get new cartridges for $400

oil lines i know, got slim fans, was going to run the 20g external anyway, my friend is a fabricator so i/c pipe is no big deal, and he can make a intake too, i think its worth it for the power ill be makign

 

[95tzlgst]

^^^ I am going to agree. Holset FTW.