2.3 stroker problems.

[Viva]

Okay so I bought the car with a 2.3 stroker kit. And i seem to be getting gas in my oil. I believe its a failed piston ring. Since I got gas in my oil I drained it and I put 10w 30 non synthetic to see if iI could save my bearing kit. It ran good for a good 3 hours no rod knock or ticking. So I whent to put more fuel in it and I hear the knocking coming back so I headed back home and heard a harsh crack in the motor.... I was still driving it once I got to my road i turned the bastard off and coasted it into my drive. Is there a certain bearing kit i need after i fix fuel intake and rings ?

 

[evil tsi]

when u rebuilt it did you line the ring gaps up properly? the bearings you would need depend on the extent of the damage. you may have to have your crank and/or rod(s) turned and get the appropriate sized bearings. i see your from finlday also, i would take your stuff to precision engine. does great work and charged me nothing to knock in balance shaft bearings and clearance the block for my 2.3.

 

[RvlutionMtrsprt]

What is your piston to wall clearance?

 

[phunny]

I guess nobody actually read his post . He bought it with the stroker so he's going to have no idea.

OP no one is going to know anything until you tear it down, just take it to a shop and let them guide you.

 

[evil tsi]

I guess nobody actually read his post . He bought it with the stroker so he's going to have no idea.

OP no one is going to know anything until you tear it down, just take it to a shop and let them guide you.

he said with a 2.3 stroker KIT which to me means he put the motor together... sorry for any confusion

 

[phunny]

he said with a 2.3 stroker KIT which to me means he put the motor together... sorry for any confusion

I just though it was funny, I'm normally the one that doesnt catch that crap hahaha

 

[Viva]

Anyways after Mr. Nonsense. I bought it because it was a hell of a deal. My problem now is trying to figure out why fuel is getting in my oil so terribly. And is precision there on maonstreet Justin ?

 

[BogusSVO]

Check your FPR, if the diphram rips you can suck fuel from the fuel rail into the intake.

 

[Viva]

Okay so I called precision auto in the man said that he does not do motor repair he only does machining. He told me to call henry's service in finley and ask him the man quoted me at 3800 dollars and that my car was a piece of s*** and the 4 g 63 motor what is the worst thing ever put in a car. However my fuel regulator does make a squawking sort of noise when I turn the ignition and it vibrates as well. I will have to look at my crank and see if it needs polished in regrind it and then I will see what bearings I need

 

[Calan]

My problem now is trying to figure out why fuel is getting in my oil so terribly.

I think your bigger problem is:

...So I went to put more fuel in it and I hear the knocking coming back so I headed back home and heard a harsh crack in the motor....

You need to figure out where the knocking is coming from, and do some basic troubleshooting to see what's going on with your motor. Do a leak-down test to check for any major damage in the top end and rings, and if the knock is coming from the bottom end, you probably have bearing issues...so you might as well pull the oil pan and check things out.

Above all, don't keep running the thing until you know for sure what is going on with it and that it's safe to do so (and at this point it sounds like it isn't).

 

[evil tsi]

yes its precision engine service on meeks ave. he only does the machining . i thought you were pulling the motor to have the rods and bearings looked at? possibly the crank journals may need turned too if scarred enough. if it was a bad seal though the car would have to run so rich and barely start due to flooding if he has gas in his oil. is the motor knocking or ticking at all? and how much boost are you running? whats your injector size? and hows your a/f ratios?

I think your bigger problem is:




X2... way bigger problem

 

[Viva]

I think your bigger problem is:




You need to figure out where the knocking is coming from, and do some basic troubleshooting to see what's going on with your motor. Do a leak-down test to check for any major damage in the top end and rings, and if the knock is coming from the bottom end, you probably have bearing issues...so you might as well pull the oil pan and check things out.

Above all, don't keep running the thing until you know for sure what is going on with it and that it's safe to do so (and at this point it sounds like it isn't).

When I said to get more fuel I meant to go to the gas station. And I know its the bearings.

 

[Calan]

Why are you concerned with getting more fuel if you know you have shot bearings?

I'm confused.

 

[Boostinsideways]

that my car was a piece of s*** and the 4 g 63 motor what is the worst thing ever put in a car.

Don't let that guy work on it, he is just trying to rip you off and is ignorant.

4g63 and shitty dont belong in the same sentence,

 

[evil tsi]

4 and half quarts of 80w 90 gear lube and unload it..... hahahaha just kiddin

 

[Viva]

Why are you concerned with getting more fuel if you know you have shot bearings?

I'm confused.

Because I was able to put new oil In And I let it idle for about 3 hrs withought any knock just so i ccould do a absolute flush. But when I drove it for a mile to get gas it acted up again.

 

[phunny]

Why are you concerned with getting more fuel if you know you have shot bearings?

I'm confused.

Yeah this guy makes no sense... OP really needs to start all over and explain better. IE who built the car, how was it built, etc...

 

[Viva]

Yeah this guy makes no sense... OP really needs to start all over and explain better. IE who built the car, how was it built, etc...

The Guy before me. I said I bought the car with a kit. Comprenda?

 

[phunny]

Why don't you do a compression test to see if the rings are bad. Kits are less than $20 and takes less than 20 minutes.

 

[Calan]

Because I was able to put new oil In And I let it idle for about 3 hrs withought any knock just so i ccould do a absolute flush. But when I drove it for a mile to get gas it acted up again.

Now I'm even more confused. You let it idle for THREE HOURS to "flush" it? If you had shavings being washed out of oil galleys and floating around in your oil, all you did was circulate them through your engine for 3 hours.

But... how is flushing the oil going to fix a knocking bearing, and what does that have to do with the original question of why you were getting fuel in your oil?

Why don't you do a compression test to see if the rings are bad. Kits are less than $20 and takes less than 20 minutes.

If he has bearing or other damage, a compression test can only make it worse. A leak-down test is the safer (and more useful) way to go, along with just pulling the pan for inspection since he's pretty sure he has bearing issues.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/338152-compression-leak-down-testing.html

Based on what he has said so far though, it's probably time to just yank the motor and get after it.

 

[phunny]

Now I'm even more confused. You let it idle for THREE HOURS to "flush" it? If you had shavings being washed out of oil galleys and floating around, all you did was circulate them through your engine for 3 hours.

But... how is flushing the oil going to fix a knocking bearing, and what does that have to do with the original question of why you were getting fuel in your oil?



If he has bearing or other damage, a compression test can only make it worse. A leak-down test is the safer (and more useful) way to go.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/338152-compression-leak-down-testing.html

Very true. I'm assuming this engine is in the need of a rebuild no matter the results. Definitely some rod knock going on here.

 

[delta448]

Do you have the tools to tear this thing down yourself?
Are you willing to spend the money to fix it correctly?

Rod knock probably isn't going to go away just with different oil. Save the stroker rotating assembly while you still might be able to.

Better find out what that cracking noise was too... hope the PTW wasn't too tight or that one of the rings butted ends.

The Guy before me. I said I bought the car with a kit. Comprenda?

When someone says "kit" I usually assume it's something not yet installed, apparently others do too since there's so much confusion here. Just how inept do you think this guy's engine building abilities are? I've seen so many hack job engine rebuilds that I've lost faith in anyone selling anything other than a stock engined DSM.

 

[Viva]

The engine build was done properly. I know the Guy and this is his 5th build. And when i said flush i used nearly 20 quarts of 10w 30 oil to get the gas out. Every other 30mins I would change the oil. There are absolutely no shavings or metal particles in the pan which is bad since I hard a pop like cracking noise and nothing evident. I will just have to wait a year or so to do the rebuild.

 

[Calan]

And when i said flush i used nearly 20 quarts of 10w 30 oil to get the gas out.

No offense, but almost every statement you type confuses me even more.

If you have gas in your oil... you drain it, change the filter, and put new oil in...and do a leak-down test to see if you are blowing compression past your rings. That's pretty much it.

What did the additional 15 quarts of oil accomplish?

BTW - Why do you keep capitalizing "the Guy"? He must be one hell of an engine builder.

 

[phunny]

No offense, but almost every statement you type confuses me even more.

If you have gas in your oil... you drain it, change the filter, and put new oil in...and do a leak-down test to see if you are blowing compression past your rings. That's pretty much it.

What did the additional 15 quarts of oil accomplish?

BTW - Why do you keep capitalizing "the Guy"? He must be one hell of an engine builder.

HAHAHA, funny stuff right there. I wanted to ask why 20 quarts but apparently he's easily offended :/.